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This is one of the most common questions we get from new owners. If you're new to the 107 and you're wondering the same thing, please read on.

First, is your car actually running hot? Modern cars tend to have the needle come up to one point and stay there, no matter what the road conditions (uphill, downhill, desert, snowstorm), and no matter what the engine is doing. They're designed that way, to keep your peace of mind. In reality, your engine temperature is always going up and down, that's why there's a thermostat in the car; to help stabilize the temperature and keep it in the range where your engine operates best.

Mercedes didn't do that. Your temperature gauge shows what your engine temperature is really doing. That means it will be higher on hot days, going uphill, in stop and go traffic, than it will be on cooler days, running on level ground at a constant speed. It will raise when you're sitting at idle when the temperature is 95F, and it will cool down when you start moving again. This is normal. If the only way you'll be satisfied is having your temperature gauge settle on one spot and stay there, no matter what, you might want to visit your local Toyota dealer, or superglue your temperature gauge. Short of that, it's always going to be on the move.

The thermostat in the 107 is designed to open at 80C, or about 175F. Your car should run at or slightly above this temperature, under most conditions. However, your engine is also designed to operate as high as 110C, or 230F for short periods. Under heavy operating conditions, don't be surprised to see the temperature creep up. You should only be concerned if it's always much higher than where the thermostat is designed to open, even on cooler days, even when you're running on level ground, even when you're not sitting and idling for long periods.

If you've gotten this far, and you're still convinced your car is running too hot, this is the nuts and bolts of how to diagnose and repair the problem.
Cooling system components, and accessories, starting from the front and working back:

Auxiliary cooling fan: This is the electric cooling fan you should have on the front of the radiator, behind the grill star. It came standard on all US spec cars, but was optional for some other countries. If your car came equipped with AC, it came with an auxiliary fan. It's designed to come on under two conditions.
1) If the temperature of the engine goes above 100C (212F). This is not to say when your temperature gauge says 100C. We'll get to why later.
2) If the AC compressor is on, and the low side pressure exceeds a set point. It doesn't automatically come on with the AC compressor, so don't expect that.

Radiator: The early models used an all brass radiator. The radiator can clog or corrode, reducing the cooling performance. Power flushing can correct this, or getting the radiator re-cored, or replacing it completely. Later models of the 107 used an aluminum core, with plastic reservoirs. The neck where the upper radiator hose connects can crack, causing a loss of pressure and coolant, and overheating of the engine.

Cooling fan, shroud, and clutch: The cooling fan is metal, and pretty rugged. Problems with this are very unusual. The shroud helps channel the air, and increases the efficiency of the cooling fan. Your car should have a shroud. The fan clutch is a viscous coupled clutch, and it's designed to work harder when your engine is warmer. When your car is cold, the fan should be easy to turn. If you've just shut your engine off after a good drive, it should be difficult to turn. If yours does anything else, you should replace the fan clutch. A failing fan clutch can cause hot running conditions, especially at idle.

Thermostat: Mounted on top of the engine, in the housing where the bottom radiator hose meets the engine. A bad thermostat can fail open, which means your car will never fully get up to operating temperature, will idle high, foul plugs often, and get bad mileage. It can also fail closed, which means your car overheats fast and hard. You can destroy your engine quickly if you drive it with a thermostat that has failed closed, or slowly if you continue to drive it with the thermostat failed open.

Water pump: This circulates the coolant through the engine and the radiator. Because it's run directly from the engine, if you're at idle, the pump is running slower, and your coolant is flowing slower, so your engine temperature will go up slightly. At freeway speeds, when your car is running at 3K RPM, it's working fastest, helping to funnel heat safely away from the engine and into the radiator. At the front of the water pump, below the pulley, is a weep hole. When your water pump seals start to go, coolant will leak out of this hole, and drip down the front of the engine. That's your signal to get a new water pump installed. Now.

Engine: Source of power and heat. Throughout the engine are cooling ducts, which funnel the water past the cylinders, through the heads, and everywhere heat accumulates. The coolant soaks up the heat and delivers it to the radiator. Use the right coolant. Xerex G05 is a lower cost alternative to the MB branded coolant. Never use the green stuff, it's wrong for this engine and will cause problems when used long term. Also, don't mix coolant brands. The engine and cooling system in your 107 require a specific mix of anticorrosion and anti-electrolytic compounds, and using the wrong stuff won't protect your engine the way it needs to be protected.

Auxiliary fan thermoswitch: Mounted on the top of the engine, toward the front, this senses the engine temperature and kicks on the auxiliary cooling fan when your engine is running too hot. If you want to test your auxiliary fan, pull the wire off the end of this and short it against the engine block with the key on. Your auxiliary cooling fan should kick on. If it doesn't, you might need a new one, but I'd trace the wiring and check the fuses, first.

Coolant overflow: Mounted on the passenger side wheel well on US cars (driver side if you're from one of those countries where you open the bonnet to see the engine), this holds extra coolant, allowing the coolant in your system to expand and contract as the engine heats up and cools off. Very early models used a brass tank, later models used plastic. This should never be empty. The radiator cap is designed to hold 1 bar (1 atmosphere at sea level, or 14.7 lbs per square inch). A failing radiator cap, or a leaking coolant overflow tank can cause coolant loss and overheating.

Auxiliary water pump: Models after 1977 have this. Locations vary, but generally on the passenger side of the engine compartment. At idle, remember your water pump is working at the least efficient. Also remember this car came from Germany, land of cold winters. When you have the heater on, the auxiliary water pump helps force the heated coolant through the heater core, making sure you always have a ready supply of toasty warm air, even on the coldest days. If your auxiliary water pump has failed, you'll see a noticeable decrease in heater output.

Temperature gauge sending unit: Mounted on top of the engine, it looks very much like the auxiliary fan thermoswitch, but it works a little different. Where the aux fan switch is a binary on/off switch, the temperature gauge sending unit varies the resistance, making the needle on your dash go up and down. Pulling the wire and shorting it against the engine block should cause your dash temperature gauge to peak at max temperature. If it doesn't, your temperature gauge, or the wiring leading to it, are bad.

Finally, the temperature gauge: it's a good idea to keep an eye on it, but it isn't the last word. It isn't calibrated, when it says your engine is 100C, your engine might be 95, or 105. And if you're wondering why your auxiliary fan doesn't turn on the second the needle touches 100, keep in mind that the sending unit for your temperature gauge is on the back of the engine, and the thermoswitch for the aux fan is at the front of the engine. Using a calibrated thermocouple, I've measured as much as 10F difference between the two locations. And, finally, just as the temperature gauge and sending unit aren't calibrated, neither is the aux fan thermoswitch. It's designed to kick on at about 100C, but it might happen a little lower or a little higher.

And very last: Your emissions controls. The Air Injection Pump blows air through the heads, around the valves, and reduces combustion temperature, reducing the amount of NOx. On an engine designed for this kind of cooling, disabling or not repairing a broken system can cause higher than normal operating temperatures.
 
#5 ·
Awesome write up Scott. Although, it should be noted that not all 107's should have an auxiliary fan, and also, that the overflow reservoir isn't on the passenger side, it on the RHS. It's only the passenger side on LHD cars.

Seriously though, bloody well written, and thorough!
 
#6 ·
it should be noted that not all 107's should have an auxiliary fan, and also, that the overflow reservoir isn't on the passenger side, it on the RHS. It's only the passenger side on LHD cars.
Modified for the bonnet people. ;)
 
#8 ·
Water pump leak... need help

This is one of the most common questions we get from new owners. If you're new to the 107 and you're wondering the same thing, please read on.

. At the front of the water pump, below the pulley, is a weep hole. When your water pump seals start to go, coolant will leak out of this hole, and drip down the front of the engine. That's your signal to get a new water pump installed. Now.

I have leakage from weep hole. water pump was replaced 5 years ago. only 5000 miles driven since then. It did however sit with very little driving the last 2 years. Could it be a easier fix in my case then a new water pump. as that is a 950 dollar job. I got this car as a gift and i am getting it drivable for my son, but if the costs are prohibitive I may rethink it. at 100k if all the work for things expected to wear out is this expensive i may need a plan 2
 
#12 ·
I got this car as a gift and i am getting it drivable for my son, but if the costs are prohibitive I may rethink it. at 100k if all the work for things expected to wear out is this expensive i may need a plan 2
You are going to be facing some costs for one of these at the 100K mark, and that has sat for two years.

The timing chain, guides and tensioner should be checked, and probably replaced. You could very likely face issues with the fuel system, from gas evaporated out to varnish, and subsequent plugging and fouling of things.

You'll save considerably if you're able to do your own repairs - and many of them are surprisingly easy.
 
#10 ·
Great writeup, thanks for taking the time to put this together.

My car's temp is exactly like you said. 175F under normal driving conditions and it does increase a little with load, like pulling a hill. Also, it runs a little hotter in stop and go traffic, but it's not so bad even on hot Austin days.

With the AC on, the temp goes up 10 or 15 degrees, but as long as the car is moving it's okay. With the AC on and running in heavy traffic, the temp will spike to above 212F and when this happens I usually just turn off the AC so I don't know if it will continue to climb or level out.

I think that the fan clutch is okay but I'll try the test you recommend, and I'll also check the aux fan as you suggest. The aux fans on the early cars is tiny, just about the size of the star.

I think that this is all normal, however these easy checks will give me some more confidence.
 
#22 ·
Great writeup, thanks for taking the time to put this together.

My car's temp is exactly like you said. 175F under normal driving conditions and it does increase a little with load, like pulling a hill. Also, it runs a little hotter in stop and go traffic, but it's not so bad even on hot Austin days.

With the AC on, the temp goes up 10 or 15 degrees, but as long as the car is moving it's okay. With the AC on and running in heavy traffic, the temp will spike to above 212F and when this happens I usually just turn off the AC so I don't know if it will continue to climb or level out.

I think that the fan clutch is okay but I'll try the test you recommend, and I'll also check the aux fan as you suggest. The aux fans on the early cars is tiny, just about the size of the star.

I think that this is all normal, however these easy checks will give me some more confidence.
My 1974 450SL’s didn’t have the aux fans. I have only seen those one later year models.
 
#11 ·
This is one of the most common questions we get from new owners. If you're new to the 107 and you're wondering the same thing, please read on.

. At the front of the water pump, below the pulley, is a weep hole. When your water pump seals start to go, coolant will leak out of this hole, and drip down the front of the engine. That's your signal to get a new water pump installed. Now.

I have leakage from weep hole. water pump was replaced 5 years ago. only 5000 miles driven since then. It did however sit with very little driving the last 2 years. Could it be a easier fix in my case then a new water pump. as that is a 950 dollar job. I got this car as a gift and i am getting it drivable for my son, but if the costs are prohibitive I may rethink it. at 100k if all the work for things expected to wear out is this expensive i may need a plan 2

How well are you set up for Do It Yourself auto repair?

Water pumps are usually not an extremely difficult job. Ususally $100 - $200 for a pump, another $10 - $20 for a thermostat, $25 -30 for coolant, and whatever else is needed in the line of hoses and belts. These are high estimates, and checking online suppliers can dramatically reduce costs. If you have a few hours of time, some workspace, and a few tools, you can get the dual satisfaction of doing it youself and beating the dealership out of a bunch of money. :)

If there are reasons why you cannot DIY, shop around to see if you can get a better deal.

"Why get it screwed up for parts and labor when you can screw it up yourself for just parts?" -my Dad.


Scott
 
#15 · (Edited)
All, the aux fan on the 107 I just bought was completely seized, so I replaced it with one which I know works. However, it is not kicking in regardless of the temperature. I've read that it should turn on if I ground the temperature switch wire (near the back of the engine), but when I try this, I get nothing. Should I now be looking for a short on that circuit?


On a separate but related note, this car is running ""hot"" 2 conditions: stop and go traffic on hot days (attributable to the aux fan) and at highway speeds. From 45MPH it begins rising, and there seems to be a fairly direct relationship to speed and head temp (the temp gauge is spot-on, I have an infrared test thermo). By 75 MPH (about 3000 RPM) it is settling in at about 215. The fan can be turned when hot, but not easily. I've done a block test, flushed what appears to already have been a pretty clean radiator, tested the thermostat, checked that the bottom radiator hose is not collapsing under load. I'm not losing any coolant...I'm out of ideas. I can only imagine how hot it would get if I replaced the AC compressor, the belt to which is currently missing.:surrender:
 
#16 ·
Regarding the aux fan switch. It is at the front of the engine - right? And you can ground it anywhere to make fan run. If it doesn't run, there are two relays in the circuit (see wiring diagram items 51/52). Perhaps one of them is bad or there is a wiring problem. On my 72 which is same, I never see temperature rise anywhere near the 100C where that switch activates. Just for fun, I am going to go out and see if it runs :)

For overheating. IF cooling system has been checked out and rad and engine are clean, then it could be a timing problem. Did you do a cooling system pressure test? No chance gasket leaking somewhere? Proper thermostat (75C)? Although that should not affect cooling once hot.

Check that timing advances to about 27deg BTDC when engine is revved to 3000rpm. It should then settle back to about 0-5deg BTDC at idle with vac. But get the 3000rpm setting at say 25-30BTDC. If it won't go there, check stickies for distributor repair - mechanical advance could be sticking.

Your A/C, like mine, is not working. But switch it on anyway - that will prevent the automatic retard that occurs at idle and allow engine to run cooler at idle.
 
#17 ·
MBGraham,

I thought that the switch was at the back of the engine, and that the temp sensor was at the front above the thrermostat - so I have it reversed?

I will have to have someone more capable look at the timing, and the AC compressor belt was missing when I bought the vehicle, so I'm assuming the compressor doesn't work.
 
#18 ·
The 100C switch is on the coolant line at the front of the engine. I did go out and grounded mine to bracket just in front of the switch and the fan started up right away (as it should).

This is from Proctologist's thread in stickies (EncycloGermanica). Required reading for anyone who owns a D-Jet!

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Timing is very easy to adjust. Timing light can be bought at Harbor Freight and other places for low price. If you decide to do it, we can walk you through it. Trouble with shops, is that they will want to set it to spec which is too retarded if you want to run cool. If you can find a small euro shop that is cooperative, then that might work. Tell them to set timing to 25-30 deg BTDC (Before Top Dead Center) at 3000rpm (spec is for 18-22). This will make car run better and cooler.
 
#34 · (Edited)
Just for records, being that my car had unusual fans set up from factory, it is like this:
  • Driver on the right side of the car. Pun included 😉
  • CKD - assembled in Krautsland, removed globes, removed engine, globes ditched, sent to South Africa in a box, same engine put back, local globes fitted, sold as South African assembled. Something about economy. South Afri-Can. Not Afri-Can't.
  • Belt driven fan: Flex type (decouples at low rpm and at above high rpm (about 4300rpm). Noisy AF(1), makes it sound cheap.
  • Aux fan: not fitted. Just one central vertical pillar link across the middle
  • AC: when turned on, does nothing except rising the rpm by cancelling the retard part of distributor bellow (yellow vac changeover titbit at driver side (the right side). Does not have pressure/temp switch on AC receiver like others.


Just came to me - perhaps this explains the early smaller and late bigger fans. From pics above one can see that one fan dips behind the stiffener onto space between AC rad and the stiffener itself whilst the otherir in full view. I got the Aux fan and was getting ready to fit it then I saw that there is not enough space. The space is narrow for the larger fan to fit.
So perhaps some AC rads are a bit thicker, hence the fan which does not ho behind the stiffener.

(1) not an abbreviation for Aux Fan. rhymes with "pluck"
 
#38 ·
Can I sneak a question in on this timely topic? The Auxiliary fan thermoswitch mentioned in post #1 is right on top of my inlet connector above the water pump, right? Is it supposed to be wired to something? It's not a manual switch, right? I think I knocked the wire free the other day. @Busdaddy recommended soldering it. I'm going to try that tonight. It's been said that I could ground it to test it after resoldering it. How exactly does one do that? Also, the replacement part looks a bit different than mine. Is there usually a socket on the end of the wire to fit on to this switch/sensor or does everyone have to solder the connection? Thanks in advance!
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