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Tcu/shift selector wiring

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#1 ·
Looking for wiring diagrams for the tcu and shift selector on the 98 Ml320 with gate shifter and a 01 with tiptronic shifter. I'm swapping the tcu and shifter in it and connectors are different..

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#36 ·
Josh, let's recap this...........correct me if I am wrong......
1.You have a ML320
2. You've transplanted a ML55 engine.
3. ECU belongs to ML320, but you soldered a ML55 ECU chip into the 320 ECU.
4. Diff's are original ML320
5. Limp mode with 722.666
6. No limp mode with 722.662
7. TCU original ML320.
 
#37 ·
Sorry for the late reply. Haven't had time to be on. I will empty my inbox. Again I apologize thank you guys,

1. Correct
2. Correct
3. Incorrect.. Ecu aam and key transponder from 99 Ml430 soldered in Ml55 chip
4. Correct
5. Correct
6. Correct
7. Correct



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#35 ·
Josh - Your inbox is full so I'm replying here instead:

Trying to think high level here. I'm a software engineer and know most of my colleagues think too deep before looking at the big picture.

Since I'm not a NAG1/5gtronic expert I'd say we need to clearly understand how the TCU determines its speed readings. Is it from the two sensors in the valve body/conductor plate or is it from the sensor in the rear diff? I know my 4r70w in my Ford builds its shift logic on the Output speed sensor (magnetic sensor) in the Trans body (all other sensors are irrelivant since its in a 57 Ford but drives great without any codes :p )

So what reads the gear ratio in the 5gtronic? If the TCU cannot read what it expects, will it toss a code and slip or should it clunk into limp home?


Here is what your Trans provides ML500 722.666:

First Gear Ratio :)1)
3.59 * *3.59 min 3.59 max
Second Gear Ratio :)1)
2.19 * *2.19 min 2.19 max
Third Gear Ratio :)1)
1.41 * *1.41 min 1.41 max
Fourth Gear Ratio :)1)
1.00 * *1.0 min 1.0 max
Fifth Gear Ratio :)1)
0.83 * *0.83 min 0.83 max
Reverse Ratio :)1)
3.16 * *3.16 min 3.16 max

Here is what the ML320 TCU wants to see:

99 ML320 722.662:

First Gear Ratio :)1) 3.93 3.93 min 3.93 max
Second Gear Ratio :)1) 2.41 2.41 min 2.41 max
Third Gear Ratio :)1) 1.49 1.49 min 1.49 max
Fourth Gear Ratio :)1) 1.00 1.0 min 1.0 max
Fifth Gear Ratio :)1) 0.83 0.83 min 0.83 max
Reverse Ratio :)1) 3.10 3.1 min 3.1 max

What I'm still trying to figure out is IF the TCU is hard coded to the gear ratio or if it can be adjusted? ML320/430 trans in an ML500 (example). And IF this is hard coded, must you utilize the ML500 TCU if you use the ML500 Trans?

TBD right?
 
#33 ·
#29 ·
Good one to follow myself.

If you need TCU's to test, I have a couple. I've been toying with gearing research Trans model/module + final drive to see which Trans would work best for my application (doing a fun swap).

did you ever swap the matching TCU with the trans? 722.666 trans should be mated with the module A 030 545 2632 and a tiptronic shifter.

Also, what codes are you throwing in the trans? Adaption issues?

Cheers :)
 
#30 ·
Idk that tcu swap would fix the issue.. I have that tcu but mine is egs51 and the computer systems in the car aren't compatible with tiptronic and egs52.. I believe my best known good option is for me to run the 722.662 v6 transmission..

I'm getting code 051 and 147
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#27 ·
Matt changed 430 engine with 55 engine and 722.666 tranny. 430 has the same diffs as the 55. I As far as I know his transplant is successful.
Check post 11 again. 500 & 320 have the same ratio/diffs, but 500 has 722.666.
On the other hand 430 has the same diffs as the 55, but different tranny's. So 722.666 will work with both ratio's.

Or just fit a V6 tranny and forget about it...........
Josh post your VIN, the 320 one.
 
#28 ·
See that's what's puzzling me. It has to be in the tcu for the transmission gearing.. I'm so lost here. I think I will get another v6 transmission and put in. The one close to me is out of a 03 lower miles but the car-part.com shows it doesn't interchange with 98 so the yard won't give me a warranty with it. Even though they are both 722.662. If it will be the same other than the drain plug then I'll grab it..

Vin: 4jgab54e2wa010285




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#25 ·
From model year 2000 EPC indicates a change of tranny number. Up to 99 the tranny had a converter drain plug. Obviously 2000 & up the tranny would be a better option. I remember reading about some changes done to the valve body. I am pretty sure a 03 will work.
Your other option is to change the front & rear diffs & keep the 722.666 with the engine.....
 
#24 ·
Ok so seems like I can't get any of it to work.. I can swap the transmission out for another v6 model. Mine is m/y 1998 the one the yard has is from a 03 but the interchange says it won't work. But they are both a 722.662.. Any idea if it will work or if they are the same?

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#23 ·
Well.. You were right. It doesn't work. It was throwing a bunch of codes. No big deal. I'll have to go back to the egs51.

My next issue will be the transmission. I have to put a v6 transmission back in but I am hoping I can beef up the internals with the internals from the V8 trans. Any ideas on what parts to swap around?

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#13 ·
I am not sure if you will get away with just swapping the TCU, you might have to code as well........
The diffs on the car are for 320? If so they will match with the 500 TCU coding.
If you have changed the diffs to 55 diffs, it will get more complicated........
 
#10 ·
Thank you for that as well.. The first 2 possible causes listed there make me believe it's a gearing issue. I know the transmission is good and it's not slipping for sure. And it's the second 722.666 I got. I'm going to go ahead and get this wired up today. Thanks for the advice!

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#8 ·
Before I go splicing wires and changing the tcu.. Do you guys think the different gearing in the 722.666 is the problem with the 147 code I'm getting? It's going into limp most of the time. The reason I think this is the problem is because apparently the Ml320 and 500 have 3.70 final gear and 430 and 55 have 3.42 and I thought the ratio in the transmission was different with different models of the 722.6..
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#5 ·
Oh I just realized I left a important part out. Sorry I have Egs52 as well to swap in with the shifter.. The whole point is because the V8 transmission 722.666 out of the ml500 need the Egs52 from the 500 to not go into limp. So I just need the diagram for gate shifter to the tcu and tip diagram so I can wire it correctly for the Egs52.. The rest should be ok. If it needs coded I can do that as well. Thanks for the response. I totally understand this is all trial and error but I'm sure I can make something work

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#4 ·
It could work if you are able to hack several other modules' coding. The old PRND-4321 shifter interfaces with the EGS51 transmission control unit directly regrading the gear identification. For the touchmatic version, the selected gear (PRND-+) info is sent via the can bus,, and also to other modules like the instrument cluster. The main question is, does the engine computer / traction control, etc, care if the TCU is EGS51 or EGS52 ?

Here is the diagram for the touchmatic.

There are also mechanical issues like Parking shift lock, reverse/ park lock, reverse signaling etc etc..
 

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