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Falling in Limp Mode Again With No Check Engine Light??

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#1 ·
Hello,

So about a month and a half ago I was having Limp Mode troubles. Every day driving, Limp mode would hit me sooner or later. It would also give me Check Engine Light. (Not able to shift past 2nd gear). So then I took it to a mechanic and he cleared the transmission codes and then ever since then I never had that problem again... Until today.

Today I was driving and then I noticed the RPM's were getting a little high for the speed I was going. (20-30 mph) And remembering this was a sign/cause of Limp Mode, I tried to Tiptronic to go into 4th gear (my way of testing limp mode because it doesnt shift past 2nd) and Sure enough, The test failed. I was in limp mode. But no Check Engine light like when it was happening before. :crybaby2:

So I turned the car off and on to get it out of limp mode, hoping it was just a minor issue, Got to work and then left it there for a few hours. On my way home from work, I noticed the RPM's were getting high again so I tried 4th gear and couldn't get into it. Limp Mode again. Again, The interesting part is that its not showing any kind of Check Engine Lights or bringing up any kind of codes, Unlike before. Took it to AutoZone to get any possible codes checked that may be hidden and no codes came up.

So whats the next step? Does this sound like any thing particular? Any body with this problem before?

Any help would be much appreciated!
 
#2 ·
The best thing to do is find an indy with an SDS or bite the bullet and have the dealer
read codes only. From there decide who you want fixing depending on what it is.

Saw a similar issue that an owner chased for a month and it was camshaft position sensor.

In another case it was a coolant temp sensor sending bad signals to the ECU.

So many variables that it is going to be more cost effective to get the codes read and
take it from there. Some codes will make the truck run poorly and not throw the CEL.
 
#3 ·
Have owned two MLs (320 and 55 AMG), I had a problem with the 320 version not getting out of first or second every now and then. Took it to my expert MB guy. He told me to use the 4WD option every now and then, which I did and it cured the problem.
I stop and put the ML55 into 4 wheel drive for about 500m or so and then stop and switch back. Apparently some contacts can corrode and can cause this problem if 4WD is not used.
Strongly recommend all ML owners to use this function 3 or 4 times per year.
May not fix your problem - but worth a try.
 
#7 ·
Ok, Just now got back from driving it around for a few minutes in "low range". Hope it was enough. It would be so terrific if that would cure the problem. Thanks for the tip btw.

Noodles said:
The best thing to do is find an indy with an SDS or bite the bullet and have the dealer
read codes only. From there decide who you want fixing depending on what it is.

Saw a similar issue that an owner chased for a month and it was camshaft position sensor.

In another case it was a coolant temp sensor sending bad signals to the ECU.

So many variables that it is going to be more cost effective to get the codes read and
take it from there. Some codes will make the truck run poorly and not throw the CEL.
Its interesting that you say that the camshaft position sensor is a possible cause because it idles fairly rough and I heard THAT would be a cause of a camshaft position sensor. Thanks for that tip as well.

43sqd said:
Just a bit of advice for the future, whenever there are codes stored, whether the CEL is on or not, you must document and save those codes for future reference. Meaning, ask the person reading the codes to write them down for you.

Secondly the codes can be read by an independent mechanic who has a professional grade scanner, similar to the one pictured below. When it comes to transmission codes, the mechanic should give you the Poxxx code and then the three digit code/s which pinpoints the problem within the P0xxx code (see below). If he doesn't give you those three digit codes he doen't know how to use the scanner or the scanner isn't capable of access to the Transmission Control Module.
Thanks for the ETC code list PDF. This might come in handy. and I try to keep a record of all the codes the car has given off.


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I'm gonna head to a independent mechanic tomorrow who should be able read the transmission codes, then I will go from there. I have no clue what will come back. But I guess we will see. Fingers crossed guys thanks.
 
#6 ·
Just a bit of advice for the future, whenever there are codes stored, whether the CEL is on or not, you must document and save those codes for future reference. Meaning, ask the person reading the codes to write them down for you.

Secondly the codes can be read by an independent mechanic who has a professional grade scanner, similar to the one pictured below. When it comes to transmission codes, the mechanic should give you the Poxxx code and then the three digit code/s which pinpoints the problem within the P0xxx code (see below). If he doesn't give you those three digit codes he doen't know how to use the scanner or the scanner isn't capable of access to the Transmission Control Module.
 

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#12 ·
I have a 2003 W211 (E-320) Transmission problem

I am experiencing what seems to be a very common problem in this model. My MB has been going into limp mode, but always came out after shutdown and cool off. Now if is stuck there (1st gear). Haven't made to mech yet, but I have seen several people having this issue with a speed sensor?? First, can this be replaced and second, why are so many having this problem at under 100K mi like myself??
 
#13 ·
Has your fluid ever been changed or had a level check?

The speed sensor error could be the result of a soaked pilot bushing or conductor plate.
Most of the time the problems with these transmissions are far less involved than what
the shops say they are. They just see the dollar signs.
 
#16 ·
What was the new fluid ? Was this a pan-pull-refill (50%) or a full pump-exhcnage method ?

Was the connector plug checked and/or replaced with new MB part ? (like a $20 part and added labor during the fluid change would have been nominal)

Best to get a full understanding of what was done at the service, and a full understanding if the connector was replaced or not.

A spped sensor problem cannot be diagnosed until you get sqaured away on the basic stuff.

Keep the beat !
 
#18 ·
That sounds like the transmission conductor plate. It does not turn on the engine light because the error is sporadic and does not repeat again enough to turn on the engine light.

Though it is sporadic, it is enough to put your transmission into limp mode until you turn on and off your engine..

The problem gets worst with time.. Get an OBDII scanner and check your pending codes.. You should be able to see the problem code, if it is the conductor plate..

Below are the contents of one of my posts when I had that problem...


AC

Originally Posted by AC_ML
43sqd, Thanks I took your advise and got the replaced parts back.

I'll give the repair details in case anybody else have this nasty transmission problem.

Total Repair Cost: $1046.00

PROBLEM: TRANS CONDUCTOR PLATE INT GOING OPEN

58862 Trans Conductor Plate Int going Open. SDS test Code P2203
R&R Valve Body & Repl. Trans Conductor Plate TK1597 4.6

1 140-270-08-61 Electronics KI $263.90
1 203-540-02-53 Spacer $11.18
1 140-991-00-55 Lock Pin $1.50
4 001-989-21-03-10 Trans Fluid $79.92
1 140-271-00-80 Gasket Trans $17.85
1 140-277-00-95 Trans OIL FI $20.56
1 140-271-00-60 Seal Ring $1.88

Total Labor: $563.00

Bothers me that I had just done the transmission flush, since all the transmission oil had to be removed again.

Hopefully this will help somebody..

One symptom of this problem that I want to add, to the posts below, is that when the gear gets stuck in 4th or 3rd and one stops in a red light, and when you start to roll again, the vehicle feels like it does not have any power, since it is still stuck in higher gear and it's trying to use that higuer gear instead of 1st or 2nd.

If you shift to "P" or "R" and then back to "D", then the gear selection will be, thereafter, on 2nd gear. (limp mode)

The P0715 code was a pending code, so therefore theere was no problem light on the dashboard, (since the transmission conductor plate was intermittently going open) but was enough to put the transmission in limp mode, and since it was intermittent, the transmission was ok after turning off and on the engine. If the transmission conductor plate was always open, then the transmission will always have been stuck in gear.

As 43sqd cautioned, be careful not to get charged for a whole new transmission. Always get a second opinion if they mention that you need a new transmission for this kind of problem.

AC