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Relationship between intake manifold, PSE pump, and air vents

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#1 · (Edited)
I was curious about the air vent flaps and starting taking things apart and followed various vacuum lines. I found out there is a relationship between the intake manifold, the PSE pump, and the air vent flaps. Below is a diagram with lots of picture of how these parts connect to each other. Afterwards, I will discuss my understanding of why they are connected to each other and how they work.

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Locations and points of reference:
- The dashpot (#100) is located in the front passenger wheel well
- The distributor (#85) is located behind the outer side panel of the passenger foot well
- The switchover valve block is located under the glove box
- The PSE pump is located under the rear seat (next to the car’s 12V battery)

Below are the dashpot (#100) location pictures:
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The green line on the dashpot (see picture above) connects to the distributor (#85). The grey line eventually goes to the back of the intake manifold, but it first goes to the engine compartment and connects to some sort of plug that just extends the vacuum line to behind the firewall. From there, it comes out from behind the firewall to the back of the intake manifold:

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Above you can see the vacuum line connecting to an adapter that just extends the vacuum line to behind the firewall.

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The above picture shows the vacuum line coming from behind the firewall (see plastic vacuum hose on far right of picture) connecting to a rubber hose then connecting directly to the back of the intake manifold where the vacuum assist port is located.

Getting back to the dashpot. The green line connects to the distributor (#85). The distributor is located behind the right plastic wall in the front passenger foot well:
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In the above picture, the green line on the top of the distributor goes to the dashpot. The green line on the bottom of the distributor goes to the Switchover Valve Block (located under the glove box). The clear line on the bottom of the distributor goes to the PSE pump port labeled SRU (Manifold Vacuum Assist).

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Above is a partial picture of the switchover valve block and the green vacuum hose that connects the switchover valve block to the distributor. Sorry for the bad picture, but it’s the only one I have. The green vacuum hose is not connected because I was documenting some work because I had broken connectors at the time. Anyway, you get the idea.

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Above is a picture of the PSE pump which is located under the rear seat next to the car’s 12V battery. The clear line from the distributor (#85) connects to the SRU (Manifold Vacuum Assist) port on the PSE pump.


So, why are these components connected and how does all this work?
From what I can tell, the main reason these components are connected to eachother is to provide vacuum to control the air vent flaps.

Here’s a good explanation of how the air vent flap system works:
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When you press the button on the climate control module to change the direction of air flow (for example, from the windshield to your feet), electrical signals are sent to the switchover valve which will open/close specific valves to control specific vent actuators. Opening/closing specific valves by itself does not open/close the vent actuators. The vent actuators are opened when vacuum is present on the line.

There is a vacuum line connected to the switchover valve. When the switchover valve opens a valve for a specific vacuum line, vacuum becomes present on that line which opens the actuator (and thus the air flap). When the switchover valve closes the valve, vacuum is removed from the line and the pressure on that line returns to atmospheric levels. This closes the vent actuator (and thus the air flap).

Of course, there are two sources of vacuum: The intake manifold and the PSE pump.

When the car engine is running, the intake manifold will provide the primary source of vacuum. When the car engine is not running, but the ignition key is in position #2, the PSE pump provides the primary source of vacuum.

There is also a dashpot located between the intake manifold and the switchover valve and PSE pump. I'm just guessing, but I think the primary reason for the dashpot is to zone the intake manifold line from the PSE pump vacuum line. If the car engine is not running, the PSE pump provides the vacuum. If the dashpot wasn't there, the PSE pump would run forever unsuccessfully trying to achieve a constant 17psi vacuum.

I hope this helps you. I rushed a bit to put this together to help answer someone else’s question.
 
#4 · (Edited)
This research began last year. Two separate events at different times brought this information together. The first event started when I was having problems with my PSE pump. I noticed it running constantly until the car engine started. I couldn’t find hardly any information about the issue I was having. Come to find out, the tubing infrastructure within my PSE pump had cracks and couldn’t keep constant vacuum. Here are some links that provide good detail about that event:

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w210-e-class/1662209-central-locking-pump-question-code-b1439.html

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w210-e-class/1694466-how-test-vacuum-locking-pump.html

The second event started out of curiosity. Based on the air vent flap test procedure, it appeared that some of my air vent flaps weren’t opening.

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w210-e-class/1667644-need-help-someone-who-can-do.html

I started researching how the air vents operated and came across several documents. After testing the switchover valve block with my hand held mightyvac and tracing the green vacuum line to the distributor, and then to the PSE pump and dashpot, I had a better understanding of how the system works. One thing EPC doesn’t show is the connection from the PSE pump to the distributor and then to the dashpot. That was a missing link that I was only able to find by tracing the lines.

I still don’t know if my vents operate the way they should. I get the feeling they are working properly based upon someone else’s post about similar concerns. I think MB may have incorrectly documented how the vents operate when selecting the climate control button air passage directions. Even if they don’t work properly right now, I’m not about to take the entire dash apart to replace one or two flap actuators. That would be time consuming. I read it takes about 20 hours just to get access to the actuators. Maybe down the road if a number of actuators fail, I may attempt it.

Here's some summary information on the PSE pump:

Ports:
Port SRU (Manifold Vacuum assist) - Helps with air vent flap actuation when the car engine is not running.
Port BFT/FOND - locks for: Passenger front door, passenger rear door, driver rear door, station wagon hatch
Port FT - lock for driver's front door
Port TANK - lock for fuel tank lid
Port MKL - Not sure. Maybe lumbar seat option
Port Heck/KAF - Not sure. Maybe rear trunk for sedans

vacuum @ 8-10psi locks the doors and fuel lid
pressure @ 8-10psi unlocks the doors and fuel lid

The vacuum/pressure for the doors and lid do not need to be constant. They only need to reach 8-10psi for a few moments for the actuator to change state.

For the SRU (Manifold Vacuum assist) port, vacuum is only applied to that line and it must maintain a constant vacuum. It needs to be around 17psi. If it falls below 13psi, the PSE pump will kick in until it reaches about 17-18 psi. When the car engine is running, the intake manifold vacuum assist port provides the vacuum at a constant rate of about 17psi.

I don't exactly recall the measurement for the vent flap actuator lines, but I think it is somewhere between 10-12 psi of vacuum at a constant rate to remain open. I think below 10psi, the actuators close.
 
#5 ·
Excellent information, Todd, thanks!

Consider this a "second" to the nomination for Stickies from Eagleone.

Side note: I haven't seen the term "dashpot" used for years; the last time I saw a dashpot was when working on a carbureted car (as virtually all were then) back in the 70s. In that capacity they were used to keep the butterfly from slamming closed when someone abruptly removed their foot from the gas pedal; rather, the throttle mechanism would hit the post on the dashpot, which would catch it and more slowly let the butterfly return to idle. This process avoided some issues where the engine would simply die if the butterfly slammed closed under certain circumstances.

Second side note: If I had to guess why MB would choose to link PSE vacuum to the actuator circuit, I'd imagine it's so the flaps can be actuated (and air directed) when the engine is off, perhaps in concert with the use of the REST function.

Thanks again!
 
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#6 ·
Even with those models passing 17 years they still can surprise owners.
Judging from "vacuum assist" the PSE pump can act as backup for manifold vacuum in times when you use rec mode, or on start up.
My diesel has big vacuum pump mounted on the engine, so I doubt it has the connection, but then, if it works fine, I am not going to dig there.
Thanks for sharing.
 
#7 ·
Hello all. I am trying to locate the PSE pump. I have an issue with my doors not locking with remote nor with switch in dash. Also my trunk will not pop with the remote nor the switch in dash. My rear head rests will not lay down with the switch in dash. How do I reach the PSE pump in a 1998 CLK 320 Mercedes? I see everything saying that it is under the rear seats. How do I get under the rear seats to access it? Thanks in advance for any help that any of you can give.
 
#8 ·
If it's like my '00 E430 you locate the two recesses in the seat near the bottom of the cushion on either side. There are levers inside these recesses that you lift up and that side of the seat will be free. Lift it up until it is free from its catch and then release the other side. From that point slide the whole seat cushion forward toward the front of the car and it will be come out. The PSE pump is on the passenger side under that black plastic sheet and is encased in foam rubber.
 
#9 ·
Todd-
With all this routing information now laid out what is the next step. Is your guess that there is a hose leak. From your experience it sounds like the most likely scenario. Unfortunately it also sounds like it could be near the actuator which as you pointed out it more than I want to tackle at this point.
 
#10 · (Edited)
PSE Question

Hi Todd and everyone - Mark here in Atlanta. Great thread, but still puzzled. My latest project is a '99 E320 Wagon (non 4M) with 222k miles. Well cared for and runs very well. I've sorted through most of the gremlins so far (windows and seats inop) but still cannot lock/unlock doors. I believe the pump is bad and have got a used PSE pump on the way (part 210800 1348 - not the latest for the wagons, but will hopefully work).

Question related to the pump - does it interact with the interior lights, or any other electrical components, in any way? Opening/closing doors do not turn the lights (all overhead and puddle lights) on or off. To recap what I've noticed:
* No interior lights come on when doors opened/closed (including rear hatch)
* the main light overhead (near sunroof switch) DOES come on when remote unlock is clicked, and fades to off when door is closed or lock button on key is clicked
* the alarm does not appear to be arming
* door locks not working (via remote nor dash switch)
* all door pin switches appear OK

Appreciate any and all information!
 
#13 ·
Just checked EPC again and found a footnote for the PSE.
"Spare part must be coded with hand-held tester after installation in vehicle. As of identification A394036, except for vehicles with code 807'.

Mine is A719729, so presuming the replacement will need some type of flash. Not sure about the code 807.

Note - the PSE has evolved over four part #'s for my VIN:
1. 2088000648
2. 2088001448
3. 2108001348
4. 2108002148

The foot note is only listed with the last one (...2148) - not sure if this only applies to that model PSE? Anyone?
 
#14 ·
@Roswell: Do your door locks automatically lock when the car accelerates from a dead stop?

My understanding is that the PSE pump does control the alarm system. Light control would make sense too.

Did you check your fuses to make sure they aren't blown out? Is the car reporting any codes?

In the morning when you get into your car and start it, do you hear the PSE pump running for a few moments?
 
#15 ·
Todd -
* Door locks do not lock automatically at take off
* All fuses checked and good
* No sound from PSE, ever

I should get the replacement PSE this Thur, so will plug n' play and see what happens. I'm now wondering if the PSE that's in there now is actually OK, and only needs a flash to operate. I found the replacement pump at a very reasonable cost, so would not be much lost.

I've not yet asked the dealer what the cost to flash would be, or even if my indy can do it. Any ideas for that?

Thanks for your thoughts...
Stay tuned!
 
#19 ·
Have a 1998 E300D turboDiesel with a trunk lock that won't work - the red light on the console trunk release switch stays "red" all the time, and the trunk lock can only be opened using the key - insert it and turn counterclockwise to the stop, then push it in. All the other vacuum operated items work fine. I have had the car apart for a while replacing the rear suspension hardware and let the battery die. Originally figured the dead battery was the issue and bought a new one, installed it and still no ability to unlock the trunk.

By the way, the guess that the port on the PSE pump labeled "Heck/KAF" is correct. Heck is German for the aft part of the car, and KAF is some acronym for the rear headrest retracting mechanism. The first time I tried to lower the rear head rests I had to hold the button on the console for several seconds and then they both slammed back into the deck behind the rear seats.

Great thread though - lots of good information. Thanks.

Just wondering if there is something not properly synchronized because of the dead battery that is preventing the trunk from registering as closed (leaving the red light on the console trunk release switch on all the time), which is then preventing the PSE solenoids from selecting the "unlock" position. Anyone know how this stuff works?

Thanks,

Jim
 
#20 · (Edited)
Jim,

When that red light is lit, what is it suppose to indicate? That the trunk is open? Sounds like a sensor issue? but you still can't open it via pneumatic methods? Maybe the logic is the pneumatic system won't operate that line if the sensor shows an open trunk?

Does you diesel have the same PSE pump as gasoline cars? If so, did you check the line from the PSE pump to the trunk? Meaning, did you connect a hand-held mighty-vac (or something similar) to see if you can open the trunk manually by applying:

vacuum @ 8-10psi locks the doors and fuel lid
pressure @ 8-10psi unlocks the doors and fuel lid

Another thought, you could check the PSE port or the line at the trunk to see if vacuum or pressure is present when you try to unlock the trunk (using the pump not the key!)
 
#21 ·
Todd,

I agree there is some kind of "issue" with the red light being on - it does signify the trunk is open.

The pump is the same to my knowledge. The line to the trunk also provides vacuum to the rear head rest "return" feature that drops them into recesses in the shelf between the rear seat back and the rear window. Basically they are spring loaded to lie flat and you pull them up against this vacuum operated latching feature and they latch. The only way to get them to go down is to activate the button on the console that unlatches them and then the spring load drops them down.

The headrest feature works so I believe it is something in the mechanism at the trunk lock.

I will dig into it some more....

Jim
 
#25 ·
I bought new pump from dealership E320 99 and it's not working

I need help.. pls help.
I bought new PSE pump from dealership for 700 dollars and installed it, it locked the door once and nothing happening; however it opens trunk thou! not understanding. I paid another 150 dollars to dealership to check what wrong. The idoit mechanic couldnot diagnosis the problem. He said it could be the switches which send currents to actuators believes could be bad...I need professional help. don't know how and what to test...I can't lock & unlock my doors
 
#26 ·
I've got a w208. I wanted to check on something. All pse functions work perfectly fine (door, headrests, multi contour seats, trunk, gas filler etc)
...

I do notice an intermittent cycling on ( brief pumping) of the pse when the car is on or driving. Is this normal? Can't say I hear any leaks either. Listened to the pse up close and etc. Again..all works like it should. Just checking.

Thoughts?