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#1 ·
I need to decide between a 1980 450SL and a 1989 560SL. My intention is to use the car as a daily driver with a short commute of no more than 20 miles per day.

1980 450SL 116k miles. No accident reported clean title. Some service records...
Looks good in and out, with some minor wear and tear. No rust except a tiny spot on the outside upper right fender which might not even be rust but acid that dropped on it. Nice soft top. The engine runs smoothly. The AC turns on but it's not cold. Brakes are really hard they need immediate attention. I'm planning on having a PPI on Monday.
Excellent color combination.
Price negotiated $11500
I'm guessing that I will need to invest at least $2k to fix the ac and brakes and other minor details.

1989 560SL 130k miles. No accident reported clean title. Some service records...
Looks good in and out, with some minor wear and tear. No rust except a tiny spot on the front grill frame. Nice soft top. The engine runs smoothly. The AC works. recent work on the brakes:

"2 front rotors, 2 front pads, 2 rear rotors, 2 rear pads, Left front tire rod assembly, Right front tire rod assembly, Computer alignment, And as you know I just serviced AC, and installed a new battery. Invested around 2k in the last weeks"

I'm planning on having a PPI on Monday.
Good color combination.
Price negotiated $16500

So, I need to decide between a 1980 $13500 450SL or 1989 $16500 560SL. Everyone has told me, and from what I have read, that 560SL is a better overall car than the 450SL. But is the $3k difference worth it in my case?

Thank you for your feedback.
 
#2 ·
I would choose the 1989 560SL, and with your description of the two cars, still the 560
A small caveat though, rust on the grill. Suggests it's spent time outside, so check it very thoroughly for rust elsewhere
If you're able to, also pull the heater blower motor cover (bottom of the windscreen, in the middle) and check for rust in there
It's very rare you won't be spending money on either car, getting them working properly, but rust is a bitch
At least the 89 has better rust protection (some galvanising) than the 80
Any pics?
 
#5 ·
It really depends on your priorities.

The 450 is easier to work on, simpler, and arguably a tougher motor. Not as many headgasket issues. Easier to fix. Biggest drawback is the 1978-1981 automatic ac system, real pain in the ass to keep going. A 1977 would be a better year with manual A/C

The 560 is more refined and faster. A bit more complicated. Headgasket leaking issues more common and not so easy to fix. Better A/C.

You should post the photos here so we can give better advice
 
#13 ·
LOL. But then again...why not? If you can be handy with your own maintenance....and you're not a volunteer fireman then you can be happy to and from your miserable job.

I used mine to commute in the summer to and from work....sunny days....but I did have my back up Golf.
 
#16 ·
I was fine with driving old junk in my 20s but as you get older and have more things to do, breaking down and fixing things gets annoying, I agree if you have one car , you need 2 sitting for backups. At this point in my life, I don’t have the time to wait 2 hours or more for a tow truck and then diagnose and fix it.
Like knobby said, if you really don’t have to be anywhere at any particular time, then go ahead and drive your 30 year old car. Mechanical things don’t get better with time, and replacement parts aren’t usually better than the originals.
That being said I have a warehouse full of cars ranging from 1968 to 2012. If I were tasked to drive cross country with one of them, it would be the Toyota Scion xB 2005 or 2012, 2006 ctsv next, or one of the 3 Silverado 2500hd trucks 2001, 2003 or 2012.
None of the German cars, 997 turbos , w211 E55 R230 sl55 or w219 cls 55 or Porsche Cayenne turbo would be considered, as they are not what I would call reliable from the get go.
I am happy people daily drive these cars, but not for me.
 
#17 · (Edited)
I was fine with driving old junk in my 20s but as you get older and have more things to do, breaking down and fixing things gets annoying, I agree if you have one car , you need 2 sitting for backups. At this point in my life, I don’t have the time to wait 2 hours or more for a tow truck and then diagnose and fix it.
Like knobby said, if you really don’t have to be anywhere at any particular time, then go ahead and drive your 30 year old car. Mechanical things don’t get better with time, and replacement parts aren’t usually better than the originals.
That being said I have a warehouse full of cars ranging from 1968 to 2012. If I were tasked to drive cross country with one of them, it would be the Toyota Scion xB 2005 or 2012, 2006 ctsv next, or one of the 3 Silverado 2500hd trucks 2001, 2003 or 2012.
None of the German cars, 997 turbos , w211 E55 R230 sl55 or w219 cls 55 or Porsche Cayenne turbo would be considered, as they are not what I would call reliable from the get go.
I am happy people daily drive these cars, but not for me.
Like I said, I've never broken down or used a tow truck in 10+ yrs. Been on cross country trips, Toronto to Florida several times, New Orleans, etc.
Those German cars you listed above are newer. MB reliability ended with the death of CIS in the early 90's and the move to electronic injection. Kjet/Kejet will still run and get you there even if it is very sick, broken electronics, sensors, controllers, etc. It has a mechanical backbone, a failsafe. That is why I think it is stupid to convert to megasquirt, you are removing one of the main reasons these cars are so bulletproof.
 
#18 ·
I daily drove my 1981 380 for 5 years about? I only did it because I absolutely love the car. Impractical, terrible fuel economy, absolute shit A/C in the summer, clunky handling even after spending a year or so sorting out all the rubber bits, steering and suspension components.. but I chose to drive it!

If you really plan to daily a 107, I think you could do better $$ wise. Doesn’t need to be a stellar example. People panic over a rust spot, but it’s not like these cars are anyone’s retirement plan.. enjoy them. There will be surprises no matter what car you buy.
 
#19 ·
Man, we making the 107 sound like a crap wagon. I think OP will be fine driving one daily. The 107 is kinda complex, but it is very serviceable for a smart guy. The 560 with the hardtop on has good AC, and rides quite well, IMO.

My issue with the old cars is that I am old. My fatness doesn’t fit so easy in the car, and my bad right knee howls if I bend it too far in order to slip in. I’m hopelessly spoiled by my 2010 CL550 to the level that turning a key in the ignition and moving a shifter from park is sub-optimal.
 
#25 ·
Thank you for all the feedback. Regarding the daily use of the car, the commute would be on average less than 15 miles daily. I agree you can get a little tired of driving this old car after a while. I drove on and off a 1981 911SC for 6+ years until I sold it 2 years ago. I'm guessing the 560SL is much more comfortable than the 911SC.
 
#26 ·
Following up on my purchase process, I had a PPI made today to a different 560SL a 1988 that I liked more than the 89. Bottom line the car is solid but dripping a little oil from the rare Differential and also from the engine. PPI mechanic said it could be gaskets from oil pan or Valve Cover Gasket. He did tell me the car is fine to drive as is and that if I don't mind a little oil drip here and there I can wait until it really bothers me. Is this normal on these cars or should I have it fix asap?
 
#28 ·
You've got 9 quarts, don't sweat it.
I went on a 5 hr roadtrip a few months ago. About an hour down the interstate my cheap autozone valve cover gasket started leaking bad.
Whole underside of car was COVERED in oil front to back, on exhaust pipe, you name it.. I had a massive cloud of smoke trailing behind me the whole way for 5 hrs.
Best part was people got the fuck out of my way. Like parting the red sea. It was great

Haven't cleaned it, it's like a finely seasoned cast iron pan at this point. Great rust protection...
 
#30 ·
Black dots on the floor and blue smoke in the rear view are common items on all the 1970s-80s Mercedes-Benz that I have owned.

The right side valve cover gasket has a tendency to leak at the rear bottom and drip on the exhaust manifold. That makes the blue smoke fill the engine compartment and get in the fresh air intake for the cabin. You will know pretty quick when that needs attention.
 
#32 ·
Bah...health of my car? 230,000 miles.....it DESERVES the odd drip. When it stops dripping ...I'll become concerned.
And you're right....I don't park in friend's driveways....but I'd park in yours. :)
 
#36 ·
I’d go with the bigger engine. Two reasons. The 5 liter is a kick in the pants to drive, but it also puts out less stress and wear to do the same job as the 4liter.
It’s just going to last longer.
And second, soon there is going to be a massive rush to find a gas engine. EV is going to be a bust.
these big V-8 are going to be what a 67 GTO convertible is today.
It’s why I got the last E550 before MB goes 100% EV in the next 3 years.

oh and 3, it’s a bad ass ride.

my last 3 Company cars were 3 cylinder GMC Terrains. No wonder they have a 9 gear auto transmission to just get my fat butt to 80 mph and stay there till the first good hill. Talk about wear?
 
#44 ·
I’d go with the bigger engine. Two reasons. The 5 liter is a kick in the pants to drive, but it also puts out less stress and wear to do the same job as the 4liter.
It’s just going to last longer.
All m117 V8's are reliable but many would argue the earlier cast iron blocks (450, 350) are tougher and longer lived than the later aluminum alloy blocks (380,500,560). Although early iron engines are heaver and less powerful, the later aluminum blocks are more vulnerable to overheating, headgasket thread issues, and corrosion.
While the 560 does have about 30 more horsepower over the 450, the torque rating is relatively similar. I wouldn't consider a 450 or 560 to be "stressed" but possibly a 380.

And second, soon there is going to be a massive rush to find a gas engine. EV is going to be a bust.
these big V-8 are going to be what a 67 GTO convertible is today.
It’s why I got the last E550 before MB goes 100% EV in the next 3 years.
I love my gas cars but I don't think so...Electric cars are 100% on track to take over in the next 10-15 years. Once they get the battery kinks worked out they will be cheaper to make than gas engines and transmissions. Less moving parts.