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2000 W210 E320 constantly stalls after starting

7.1K views 13 replies 7 participants last post by  fosmith  
#1 · (Edited)
Experts,

my wife's 160,000 miles 2000 W210 E320 is spending the night on the town alone, as we could not get it going back home. It was driving fine, parked for an hour, and any starting after that ends in about 3 seconds of weak running and stalling.

It may or may not be related, but she had hit hard with the bottom of the car some hump in the road several miles before parking.

I replaced the crankshaft position sensor a year or two ago, so I'm thinking it's more likely the fuel. But is it the fuel filter (not changed in a long time), or fuel relay (which/where?), or fuel pump? or something else? Which units are exposed from the bottom enough to be hit? The tank is about 1/4 full.

If anyone has had similar experience, pointers would be appreciated. Other postings talk about similar cases, but I can't derive a clear conclusion. Thanks!
 
#2 ·
Is the CEL on? Did you scan for error codes? A fuel pressure test gauge can help troubleshoot lack of fuel issues. Unlikely it's fuel filter as fuel starvation from clogged fuel filter usually shows up first under load (acceleration, high speed, climbing hills). Also, maybe get it up on a lift or jackstands to inspect for physical damage from the hard hit to the undercarriage.

Fred
 
#3 ·
This raises a question: nowadays, do people make a distinction between "stalling" and "dying" or not? I had always understood "dying" meant the engine totally shut down and had to be restarted, whereas "stalling" meant it wouldn't accelerate the way you wanted it to, but instead would "almost" die, then finally take off normally. Enlighten me, please.
James
 
#4 ·
Sorry James for not being clear: the car is running rough after starting and is "dying" (engine stops turning) after a few seconds.

Thanks Fred for the pointers - I'll investigate further tonight for errors etc (CEL is not ON). Fuel filter indeed should have more intermittent symptoms/starvation on acceleration, but I have also read a post about some valve inside the filter so I'm not sure which way this valve works and if it could drastically restrict the flow
 
#6 ·
Update: Fuel pump fuse #6 25A under rear passenger seat is good. Fuel pump relay (the only relay in the fuse panel box next to the battery under rear right passenger seat) is good. Applying voltage (12V or just touching 9V battery) to relay terminals 85 and 86 makes a connection between 30 and 87 of the relay.

After turning the key (just before the engine starts), there is a short delay, pump can be heard for a few seconds, and the pump stops. Is it normal and does it mean the pump is good, or it could still be bad and making some noise? I'm going to read any error codes next...
 
#7 ·
Why haven't you ordered/replaced the $40 fuel filter - Mann or Bosch ONLY - and a few replacement clamps for the MB trickster clamps in there now.

I strongly suggest you get that out of the way as frankly the affordable place to start... yes, the fuel filter has a "pressure" function, and as you say yourself your fuel filter is "way overdue"
 
#11 ·
Thanks, will try tomorrow - specially the fuel pressure. I did not know that's so easy to test with the Actron CP7818 or similar. Except that Autozone is not selling them any more (so I've ordered on line for future use) but meanwhile I've got a free loaner of Actron $150 fuel pressure testing kit from Autozone. So no excuses for skipping the fuel pressure testing - not only easy but also the tool is free to use! Should be 60PSI engine turning, and over 36PSI 30 minutes after engine stops turning (after fuel pump stops).
 
#12 ·
Fuel pressure 5PSI, so obviously some problem with the fuel system (check valve is on the top of the engine next to the oil dipstick, visible after removing the engine cover). Got new fuel filter and the pump, but bad news - the 320 Sedan seems to have both of them conveniently on the left in front of the rear wheel, but my Wagon has only filter there (easy access with raising side of the car) and the pump right in the center under the car - very bad access. So next step - towing to a garage with a proper hoist.