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What is a 2002 CLK430 AMG Package?

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#1 ·
I have seen this alot on CLKs for sale but not quite sure what it means.
These cars dont have AMG badging, the air intake looks like the stock CLK.
All of the CLKs had the AMG wheels, so what is that about?
Was it a trim package?
Are the sellers just confused or trying to mislead?
Thanks for the help, I am in the market for a newer ride, but I love my CLK430.
 
#2 ·
If there is no AMG badge but it is being listed as a CLK430 AMG, what they mean is that the car has the AMG body kit and rims.
 
#3 ·
Oh yea and if you consider that most people want a nice car just for looks, status, showing off and they're not enthusiasts, putting 'AMG' somewhere in the sales pitch would cater to the buyer's ego. Just a thought, I'm not saying it goes for every one, but if you were a salesman, wouldn't you throw that in there if it sold the car? bleh.
 
#5 ·
Exactly, if there is no AMG ENGINE under the hood, then it's not a true AMG. Look for two numbers instead of 3, just like you said, I.E. CLK55, C32, CL55, SL55, there is no CLK 320, 430, AMG, no c280 AMG, etc.. so on and so on.
 
#6 · (Edited)
I raced a CLK430 AMG the other day.

I believe time has come for a discussion as to what exactly makes an AMG car an AMG.

There's the obvious, car built at Affalterbach.

But in order to determine others we need to understand the business structure of AMG as well as it's distributors, sub distributors and the changing rules and laws of the various countries that Mercedes were sold along with the policy of AMG NA as well as the US Federal Government and in some cases the individual States.

For example, in the USA I believe that very few, if any, Affalterbach built cars were imported although a few Grey Market exceptions probably occurred. This was due to the NHTSB (National Highway Transportation Safety Board) rules governing crash standards and the EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) rules governing emissions along with the definition of what is a "manufacturer."

Engines such 6.0 DOHC M117 "Hammer" engine were shipped separately from the cars for installation in Westmont (AMG NA HQ - Richard Buxbaum) and possibly BHMC (Beverly Hill Motor Cars - Andy Cohen).
Adding to the confusion is the situation where some AMG engines were assembled by Motorcraft in Bensenville, Illinois from parts manufactured and shipped from Germany. I heard that Motorcraft also made cranks in some cases.

Regarding the Coachwork.
In order to circumvent the NHTSB rules body parts were installed in the USA. In order to qualify (per AMG NA policy) for the AMG badge one had to purchase 2 exterior "optik" items. In other words -- if you bought front and rear spoilers from AMG NA they would allow you to buy and install an AMG badge (later changed to /////AMG). The question that should be answered is "since AMG NA determined that an owner needed to have 2 exterior items in order for them to buy and display an AMG badge, does this make the car an original AMG? It's easy to say "no" to that but what about the German owner who had Affalterbach build a car with only exterior or interior, I.E., no engine or performance, modifications? No one would dispute the fact that that car is a real AMG.If it agreed upon that what AMG NA said is the definition than anyone who has bought a front and rear spoiler can legitimately claim to have an AMG car. If we rule out that option and only use Affalterbach built cars as the standard then VERY few "real" AMG cars exist in the USA. AMG gave it's distributors a wide latitude when building their cars. AMG NA could do pretty much what they wanted as could have Strattons. No one would dispute that the Stratton Wide Body coupe is not an AMG but as a wide body I do not believe, but do not know 100%, it was built at Affalterbach (but I would be willing to stand corrected).
Then there's the "Westmont only" metal rear spoiler which never saw the light of Germany. Is that an AMG part?
Or the NOS 124 wide body panels that are in a shed in the UK that have AMG part numbers.
Or the mention of "plastic front fenders" for the 124 Wide Body package alluded to in the April 1990 article of Road & Track Specials ("plastic in the front, steel in the back"). Interesting, plastic front fenders (124 881 41 01 and 124 881 42 01) were produced for the 500E for which production was geared up at roughly the same time (in Europe). The plastic 500E have the roughly the same contours as the Wide Body I believe.

Then there's the AMG UK Stratton cars, AMG of Canada (which may not have been part of AMG NA in spite of being in North America) and AMG of Japan which had all sorts of interesting items. The 124-036 500E muffler, E class wheel flares and the DOHC rear badge are but 3 examples of Japanese only items that carry HWA part numbers. The muffler and flares were "Made in Germany" items, I am not sure of the badge.
But I will leave others to pipe in on Canada, Japan and UK.
 
#7 ·
I believe time has come for a discussion as to what exactly makes an AMG car an AMG.

There's the obvious, car built at Affalterbach.

But in order to determine others we need to understand the business structure of AMG as well as it's distributors, sub distributors and the changing rules and laws of the various countries that Mercedes were sold along with the policy of AMG NA as well as the US Federal Government and in some cases the individual States.

For example, in the USA I believe that very few, if any, Affalterbach built cars were imported although a few Grey Market exceptions probably occurred. This was due to the NHTSB (National Highway Transportation Safety Board) rules governing crash standards and the EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) rules governing emissions along with the definition of what is a "manufacturer."

Engines such 6.0 DOHC M117 "Hammer" engine were shipped separately from the cars for installation in Westmont (AMG NA HQ - Richard Buxbaum) and possibly BHMC (Beverly Hill Motor Cars - Andy Cohen).
Adding to the confusion is the situation where some AMG engines were assembled by Motorcraft in Bensenville, Illinois from parts manufactured and shipped from Germany. I heard that Motorcraft also made cranks in some cases.

Regarding the Coachwork.
In order to circumvent the NHTSB rules body parts were installed in the USA. In order to qualify (per AMG NA policy) for the AMG badge one had to purchase 2 exterior "optik" items. In other words -- if you bought front and rear spoilers from AMG NA they would allow you to buy and install an AMG badge (later changed to /////AMG). The question that should be answered is "since AMG NA determined that an owner needed to have 2 exterior items in order for them to buy and display an AMG badge, does this make the car an original AMG? It's easy to say "no" to that but what about the German owner who had Affalterbach build a car with only exterior or interior, I.E., no engine or performance, modifications? No one would dispute the fact that that car is a real AMG.If it agreed upon that what AMG NA said is the definition than anyone who has bought a front and rear spoiler can legitimately claim to have an AMG car. If we rule out that option and only use Affalterbach built cars as the standard then VERY few "real" AMG cars exist in the USA. AMG gave it's distributors a wide latitude when building their cars. AMG NA could do pretty much what they wanted as could have Strattons. No one would dispute that the Stratton Wide Body coupe is not an AMG but as a wide body I do not believe, but do not know 100%, it was built at Affalterbach (but I would be willing to stand corrected).
Then there's the "Westmont only" metal rear spoiler which never saw the light of Germany. Is that an AMG part?
Or the NOS 124 wide body panels that are in a shed in the UK that have AMG part numbers.
Or the mention of "plastic front fenders" for the 124 Wide Body package alluded to in the April 1990 article of Road & Track Specials ("plastic in the front, steel in the back"). Interesting, plastic front fenders (124 881 41 01 and 124 881 42 01) were produced for the 500E for which production was geared up at roughly the same time (in Europe). The plastic 500E have the roughly the same contours as the Wide Body I believe.

Then there's the AMG UK Stratton cars, AMG of Canada (which may not have been part of AMG NA in spite of being in North America) and AMG of Japan which had all sorts of interesting items. The 124-036 500E muffler, E class wheel flares and the DOHC rear badge are but 3 examples of Japanese only items that carry HWA part numbers. The muffler and flares were "Made in Germany" items, I am not sure of the badge.
But I will leave others to pipe in on Canada, Japan and UK.
Dazzling cut and past skills here.. just dazzling!! But really, call YOUR car whatever you like.. no need to jam up threads with YOUR fantasy. Best to head over to the off topic forum and blah blah blah away :thumbsup:
 
#8 ·
All that was copied and pasted from this thread, ironically from the General AMG forums:

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/general-amg/1544956-what-pre-merger-amg-car.html

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If I understand correctly the W208 CLK model is a post-merger, so then the W210 E Class would be too. The 430 examples of each of these cars have AMG rims and bodykits, but that doesn't make them AMG cars. They just wear the facade of an AMG car, but lack the heart of an AMG - in this case, the proper AMG built/tuned engine, among other performance parts and interior extras.

If there is no AMG engine under the hood, then everything else that says AMG is just a facade and nothing more. I find it entertaining and sad every time I see a non-AMG with the badge, the same way exotic owners might have a laugh at Lamborghini and Ferrari kit cars. Nothing but facades, false facades, to drill it home even more.
 
#10 · (Edited)
Don't listen to what these guys are saying, for any one out there who is considering a 430 "AMG" all you're paying for is a body kit, rims and a badge.

Displaying the AMG badge and actually having an AMG engine under your hood are two different things. ALL Mercedes' with the AMG engine have two numbers following their class designation. I.E. CLK55, S55, SL55, C32, C43 and so on...

I'm not sure on the older cars, but POST-MERGER that two digit convention is STANDARD - if my time line is right, then that includes the w208. So if you've got three numbers after your class designation, then you're not pushing an AMG, you're just wearing one.

That copy and paste from the AMG forum only says that a party had to purchase cosmetic items A and B to be able to buy and display the badge. None of that has anything to do with AMG performance. Big difference between AMG saying you can display the badge, and an actual AMG.

What's BRABUS without BRABUS performance? Yep, you guessed it, an MB with BRABUS cosmetics. Again, night and day difference from a badge/body kit and real performance.

P.S. - by the way, they're discussing PRE-MERGER cars, so that "buy a front and rear bumper and you get an AMG badge" business is not applicable to the w208. I checked that thread and have yet to see them discuss the more modern, post-merger cars.
 
#13 ·
I posted a new thread yesterday and heres my first reply, and I Quote.

Orignally posted by 6.2AMG
According to the AMG product managers at MBUSA, the official stance of Affalterbach and Daimler is that the vehicle must be an AMG designated vehicle with an AMG motor.

This was announced at the MBUSA/AMG Private Lounge forums some time ago.

Apparently some dealers have either attached AMG badges on non-AMG cars or do not take off AMG badges when customers trade in cars that they personally badged. This is against AMG/Daimler advisement. Only AMG Mercedes vehicles can 'officially' wear the badge.


Hopefully this will suffice those individuals who need official compliance.

In conclusion,
If you have a pre-merger MB with Two or more exterior tuning parts that
were ordered and installed by the factory. AMG allows you to Officially
wear the badge.
If you have a post-merger MB. The Vehicle must be AMG designated with
an official AMG motor in order to Officially wear the badge.