What you are seeing the cluster doing by displaying "------" for the odometer are that the true mileage is unknown, and that is, although not a mandated "standard" in the automotive industry, it has become the "de facto" indicator adopted by most manufactures do indicate tampering has occurred with the odometer, and the initial checks are not deemed to be valid.

Your options would be to have the original cluster reinstalled in the vehicle so the mileage can be read out (hopefully, unless it is a total failure) using DAS and record that value, and have a specialist in your country zero-out the mileage on the replacement cluster using non-dealer techniques (dealers to not have the capability to alter the mileage unless replacing a cluster, and it matches the one removed). This is also against Daimler policy which states you would simply need to order a new cluster from your local dealer, and they would code it to your vehicle and set the odometer to the correct value.

If you have a third party specialist zero-out the value, the dealer's diagnostic software cannot distinguish the cluster from one that was just purchased across the parts counter, as it has zero mileage on it. The software will allow an Initial Startup to be performed, which will walk the technician through entering the mileage, or transferring the data from the old cluster to the new. Generally, it is a transformer issue in the W220 causing no backlighting and the needles to not operate correctly. However, the cluster does store the oil change and maintenance history, the last oil change, remaining miles/days, and how many times the oil has had to be "topped off" since the last oil change. It also has the coding for the options of your car such as dynamic seats, COMAND, TEL, etc. Chances are since you have already installed the cluster, have you used the steering wheel controls to see if all of the menu options are displayed that should be, and no additional ones are displayed that operate options on your vehicle that it does not have?

This method would be what I would recommend. You may not have anyone local that can zero out the mileage, but you should have an independent that can transfer your old date over to the replacement and keep the odometer correct for when you resell it (not to mention legal purposes!).

 

Or as it's a pre facelift Car use SDS set Version Codings in both the Cluster and the EIS to "Redundant Mileage Not Present" then it will revert to Cluster mileage ................

Been there done that got the Tee

 

Cluster has to be virgin, it's part of drive authorization with EIS.

SSID doesn't match with EIS? Mileage won't show up.

Of course, not hard rule. Different cluster revision will have different rules, as do different EIS revisions.

 

^^ Agreed! It had to be done on my W221 to switch to a different cluster. I actually argued with the guy that did it since I was going by the W220 cluster and I had heard that it didn't need to be. But it did. He definitely knew what he was doing and virginezed it first. ( I obviously didn't 🤪 )
PS: I just hated those hard cluster resets where the cluster made the not so pleasant sounds. Kept asking him each time, you really have to do that? Was worried that he would fry my amg cluster lol

 

Cluster not drive auth on W220 Pre Facelift I don't think it is on Postie either but never tried that

 

But we are discussing Pre-facelift W220 Cluster here, and I absolutely know one million percent that is not a theft relevant part, I have swapped loads around on various Pre Faceys including C215 often got dashes show up BUT always got cluster mileage to display when Cluster and EIS are both set to "Redundant Mileage Not Present" ....................

W221, W212 etc yeah sure.

 

But did it show the incorrect mileage from the donor vehicle? I have never seen a W210 display "-------" but I feel sure he would want the coding matched to his vehicle.

In the US, the odometer can be changed to zero or whatever if the cluster has not accumulated more than 250km, according to SDS. Setting the National Version to RoW s not a workaround - Daimler is too smart for that .

What does your SDS display if you attempt to "Move the odometer forward or backward" or do an Initial Startup on a Used Cluster? I presume it complains it cannot be taught into the Drive Authorization System.

Which I should point out that Drive Authorization System for the IC is misleading, as I am unaware it having any role in the car starting, which would exclude it from being categorized as a TRP. I am thinking this his for mileage purposes only?

I was playing with a W211/W209 cluster in my W164 and the SSIDs did not match, hence the "-------" in the odometer, but the ML did start. If coded correctly, it may have worked (but not mounted) properly!

 

I actually did replace the instrument cluster on the wife's 2000 S500 (pre-facelift) with a FleaBay unit. I used DAS to code the mileage to the correct value, and it was fine. This is after turning off the redundant mileage storage, as Dave pointed out previously.

 

Just for clarity, the replacement cluster was a pre-MOPF part or a transition part, with the redundant mileage option?

 

I can help without disabling the mileage synchronization. Everything will be plug and play and 100% working.

 

One should never ever connect a used cluster without it being prepared first. If the used cluster has more miles than your car has the cluster will synch the higher miles into all control modules that store mileage. To reverse that mistake is nearly impossible.

 

I think the SSID must match before it will assume the mileage of the other.

 

Unfortunately, that’s a misconception.

 

Where have you experienced this? I would be willing to do some testing to see if I can reproduce it.

 

About every car that the owner put a used cluster in with higher mileage, showing dashes only of course and contacted me after the fact to clean up the mess.

 

I have seen this when some owners without researching or knowing the details of the relationship between the IC and EIS, and a EEPROM in the cluster was overwritten with a .bin that had no SSID, so it was taught in to the Drive Authorization System and assumed the SSID of the EIS, and then overwrite the mileage of the higher mileage component to the lower. You are correct that in such a scenario, it is a very expensive and time consuming fix for the owner.

 

I haven't looked for that specifically, but no, I haven't, provided that we're talking about all pre-facelift or all post-facelift. Pre- vs. post-, yes, there will be different menus, etc.

 

When you go into the service menu that displays the VIN, what year of release does it show the software is? Mine is 2002 in a 2004, so would be interested if newer models had revisions...

 

They do have different revision numbers yes, sorry am too busy to go dig out my W220 and photograph them right now as it's Tax Return time and the workshop is nuts too

I remember checking them a couple of years back when looking at why 2 identical W220's one had Auto Powerfold Mirrors and one didn't, the one that had the replacement later Cluster, (my own car) had later s/w revision, the Donor Car I bought to break up had earlier s/w and no Auto Powerfold

It might help, I seem to remember @JC220 was involved in the convo about revisions, he may remember the numbers or have a record of them ??????????????????

 

Does the redundancy mileage option work with a facelift cluster, in a pre facelift car? I have a facelift amg cluster for my personal w215, and also have a customer now who needs the same job performed. Initial startup fails, replacement IC shows “———“

 

No, cluster has to be virginized and then redo drive authorization.

 

What if I still have the old instrument cluster, still functioning? At least that’s the case for my w215. The customer no longer had his old cluster

I cannot carry over existing data from old cluster during initial startup?

I know for my w211 amg cluster swap, I simply swapped the small pcb board inside the instrument cluster and all worked great with the mileage…

 

W220 pre and facelift cluster have different SW revision, so swapping eeprom is not a guaranteed fix. Worse, you may end up borking the cluster until the original eeprom is soldered back on.

W211 there isn't so much difference between PFL and FL clusters, which is why the eeprom swap works.

 

Message me in a PM. I can virginize it or copy everything plug and play over from the old cluster to the new cluster and make any adjustments necessary to make it work.

Golden rule, never plug a used cluster in if you can’t verify the mileage. If the used cluster has more miles than your original cluster the higher mileage will be written in several control modules and it’s almost impossible to reverse this mistake.

 

I have the same problem if you can help me... PM.

 

Situation:
I bought a 01CL600 that apparently had a bad IC display so it wouldn't show the mileage, the owner sent it off to be fixed and the repair shop "lost" it somehow. Whatever. I was told this car has 74,nnn miles on it (Carfax records verify that mileage as being about right). I have a donor 01CL600 with no key but the IC will light up when the door opens and I have a battery connected (pic below). The IC shows 162,nnn miles and appears to work OK. I want to put the donor car "new" IC into the car with the missing IC. I realize that there are going to be issues with this as I don't have the original to clone the mileage etc. data from.

These C215 cars as I am sure y'all know are very similar (or identical) to the W220 in a lot of the parts and systems. I also have a donor W220 S430 that I could pull the cluster from (I have not done that yet) and it might not fit the CL although part numbers between the S and CL from the EPC seem like they should. I don't know the status of that IC but can check it out.

I have a DAS/Xentry system. The donor CL600 has no key so I can't power it up to read anything from the car with the IC in it although as I said the IC lights up when the door opens and shows the mileage.

How do I go about doing this swap to get the miles in a "new" cluster to be somewhat the same as I know the car has on it? I see there are some services that will do this after signing all kinds of legalities and I suppose I could send off the "new" cluster but 1) I don't want to lose another one and 2) if I can do it myself using the DAS/Xentry system I would do that (preferable) and save the money of paying someone else. If I have to send it off I will do that though.

Thoughts?

Donor CL600 "new" IC in the car with battery power when door opens

 

I can help you as I have helped lots of forum members with their IC. Just send me a PM for details.

 

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I also encountered a problem with Instrument Cluster in my w220 s400CDI. Most likely having welded without disconnecting a battery, error with milage display occurred (------). I also have a Cluster from a different w220 (3.2CDI) but I’m not sure if it’s the same number cause I haven’t dissembled that ori yet.
I connected launch X431pro which displayed IC error (B1123 Invalid Drive authorization data).
Then I connected xentry passthru wich won’t connect to the IC module.
I have a eeprom programator t48 xgecu.
Mackhack could you help me please? I would be very grateful if you could send me the first PM since I don’t know how to add PM in this forum.

 

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I also encountered a problem with Instrument Cluster in my w220 s400CDI. Most likely having welded without disconnecting a battery, error with milage display occurred (------). I also have a Cluster from a different w220 (3.2CDI) but I’m not sure if it’s the same number cause I haven’t dissembled that ori yet.
I connected launch X431pro which displayed IC error (B1123 Invalid Drive authorization data).
Then I connected xentry passthru wich won’t connect to the IC module.
I have a eeprom programator t48 xgecu.
Mackhack could you help me please? I would be very grateful if you could send me the first PM since I don’t know how to add PM in this forum.

Will do

 

Sure, give me your email address then.

 

Hey in unable to message you, please email me at 8khalifa8@gmail.com I need help with a cluster swap from us to canadian

 

Email sent.

 

Can you email me at rct1976@msn.com? I’d like a used cluster coded to my car.

 

Fortunately, the two of you are in contact now, so thanks, Mackhack, for being willing to help.