What is the best product recommended for the gear box of a benz E350 saloon car in Nigeria
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Only trans oil for me would be genuine Mercedes . All this information should be in your hand book . But i am sure someone will help you so juist keep looking in .
This explanation is from Mercedes' Lubrication website:
If it takes you elsewhere, select "236.0" from the drop-down box to see the explanation.
The number "236.xx" identifies the oils/fluids list for the particular transmission shown.
You can safely use any oil/fluid on the numbered list for your particular transmission because they have all been tested and approved by Mercedes.
Caution!:- Do not use other brands unless you have no choice in your country, it can cause rough gearchanges (kicking) and slipping (flaring) on some 6-speed and 7-speed transmissions!)
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If you're not sure, transmission fluids on lists number 236.12 or 236.14 are safe choices for most 5-speed and 7-speed transmissions. (Fluid 236.11 is for cars which have the ZF transmissions):
"Fluid transmission oils (ATF), sheet 236.12, for 7-speed automatic transmissions are also downwardly compatible for all 5-speed automatic transmissions.
Fluid transmission oils (ATF), sheet 236.14
Many mechanics will tell you that a "generic" 6-speed auto transmission fluid is OK. But believe me it's not, because most of those are DEXRON III fluids, so don't accept them.
Also as the website says, an approved fluid will always have "Approved by MB" written on it, not just the fluid number.
To find which fluid brands have been approved, go to the Mercedes Lubricants website and select 236.12 or 236.14 from the drop-down selection box to see the lists.
Let us know how you get on.
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If it takes you elsewhere, select "236.0" from the drop-down box to see the explanation.
The number "236.xx" identifies the oils/fluids list for the particular transmission shown.
You can safely use any oil/fluid on the numbered list for your particular transmission because they have all been tested and approved by Mercedes.
Caution!:- Do not use other brands unless you have no choice in your country, it can cause rough gearchanges (kicking) and slipping (flaring) on some 6-speed and 7-speed transmissions!)
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- Fluid transmission oils (ATF), sheet 236.10
- For MB automatic transmissions with and without controlled torque converter lock-up clutch (GKÜB) in cars. These ATFs are factory-installed as lifetime oil in all MB 722.6 automatic transmissions with controlled torque converter lock-up clutches. During repair work, only the ATF quality specified in sheet 236.10 may be used to refill this new generation of automatic transmissions.
- All MB automatic transmissions without a regulated torque converter lock-up clutch in cars can be filled either with the ATF according to sheet 236.10 or the ATF according to sheets 236.1 / .6 / .7 / .81 / .9.
- Transfer case (4MATIC) model 124, 163, 210
- For MB automatic transmissions with and without controlled torque converter lock-up clutch (GKÜB) in cars. These ATFs are factory-installed as lifetime oil in all MB 722.6 automatic transmissions with controlled torque converter lock-up clutches. During repair work, only the ATF quality specified in sheet 236.10 may be used to refill this new generation of automatic transmissions.
- Fluid transmission oils (ATF), sheet 236.11
- for ZF automatic transmission "ZF 4 HP 20" and the automatic transmission oil circuit of the VW automatic transmission "AG4"
The approved ATF are usually only used in the event of repairs or for refilling.
- Transfer case (4MATIC) model 164, 166, 251 Transfer
case (4MATIC) model 470, 471 with engine 699
- for ZF automatic transmission "ZF 4 HP 20" and the automatic transmission oil circuit of the VW automatic transmission "AG4"
- Fluid transmission oils (ATF), sheet 236.12, for 7-speed automatic transmissions are also downwardly compatible for all 5-speed automatic transmissions.
- Fluid transmission oils (ATF), sheet 236.13
- Repair solution for MB automatic transmissions without controlled torque converter lockup clutch in passenger cars when the complaint "Double switch-on impulse after engaging gear D".
- Transfer case (4MATIC) model 203, 211, 220
- Repair solution for MB automatic transmissions without controlled torque converter lockup clutch in passenger cars when the complaint "Double switch-on impulse after engaging gear D".
- Fluid transmission oils (ATF), sheet 236.14
- for 5-speed automatic transmission with controlled torque converter lockup clutch (KÜB) for vehicles with rear-wheel drive (722.6)
- 7-speed automatic transmission 722.9 except code A89 (reduced friction)
- for 5-speed automatic transmission with controlled torque converter lockup clutch (KÜB) for vehicles with rear-wheel drive (722.6)
- Fluid transmission oils (ATF), sheet 236.15
- 7-speed automatic transmission 722.9 with code A89 (reduced friction)
- 7-speed automatic transmission HYBRID 724.2
- Transfer case in type 167, 205, 213, 217, 218, 222, 238, 253, 257 with gear 725.0.
- Transfer case in type 257 with gear 725.1.
- 7-speed automatic transmission 722.9 with code A89 (reduced friction)
- Automatic transmission fluids (ATF), sheet 236.17, for 9-speed automatic transmission 725.0 / 1 4MATIC.
If you're not sure, transmission fluids on lists number 236.12 or 236.14 are safe choices for most 5-speed and 7-speed transmissions. (Fluid 236.11 is for cars which have the ZF transmissions):
"Fluid transmission oils (ATF), sheet 236.12, for 7-speed automatic transmissions are also downwardly compatible for all 5-speed automatic transmissions.
Fluid transmission oils (ATF), sheet 236.14
- for 5-speed automatic transmission with controlled torque converter lockup clutch (KÜB) for vehicles with rear-wheel drive (722.6)
- 7-speed automatic transmission 722.9 except code A89 (reduced friction)"
Many mechanics will tell you that a "generic" 6-speed auto transmission fluid is OK. But believe me it's not, because most of those are DEXRON III fluids, so don't accept them.
Also as the website says, an approved fluid will always have "Approved by MB" written on it, not just the fluid number.
To find which fluid brands have been approved, go to the Mercedes Lubricants website and select 236.12 or 236.14 from the drop-down selection box to see the lists.
Let us know how you get on.
Nice one .
Depends on what the OP can get in his country .
I'm not the sort of plinker that just reads an owners manual and believes everything the manufacturer says .
Will I be buying genuine Mercedes 236.15 ATF at Spectre prices , no because I allow myself to think outside the box .
Depends on what the OP can get in his country .
I'm not the sort of plinker that just reads an owners manual and believes everything the manufacturer says .
Will I be buying genuine Mercedes 236.15 ATF at Spectre prices , no because I allow myself to think outside the box .
That's not easy for everyone, unfortunately.
Because there are many fluids from other oil blenders which say "Equivalent to and exceeds MB 236.12" but if you read all, they also say "... DEXRON II.. DEXRON III... DEXRON IV... DEXRON VVI" and similar specifications.
DEXRON specs are Not suitable for 7 and 9 speed transmissions. Those really give the fluid a thrashing.
When a fluid states it is ONLY "Equivalent to MB 236.12" then it's fine to TRY it if it's a lot cheaper or if it's the only equivalent fluid available.
Why are these fluids so sensitive?
Because incorrect spec fluids don't have the necessary "modifiers" in them to keep them consistent especially at low speeds, and they Froth when they get hot and churned in the gearbox, and cause what I've described - kicks and / or slipping on gearchange.
After paying around $200-$300 plus labour for a "cheap" fluid change, even instead of $600-$700, which is typical at a gearbox "specialist" or some main dealers, the last thing you want is for your transmission to kick you in the back when it was lovely and smooth before.
In extreme cases people have changed complete gearboxes at the main dealer for $4,000-$5,000 or more after using an incorrect fluid and getting frightened that they'd destroyed their gearbox. The main dealer often will not open a gearbox, just replace it.
You don't have to buy the Mercedes own-brand fluid from the main dealer. If you look at the 236.12 and 236.14 lists that I pointed to, so you can see for yourselves that it's MB's recommendation not mine, you'll find that MB did test and approve MANY fluids from lots of manufacturers.
As an example... The last time I bought original MB 236.14 it was around €25 per litre. An equivalent single-spec fluid cost around €11 per litre. I can't remember the brand, maybe Meyle or Febi.
They are both good brands, and the original MB fluid is not that much more. And the fluid doesn't need changing frequently, the recommended interval is 40,000 miles I think, but double that is fine as long as you change the filter at the same time. Change the filter every 2nd fluid change if you like to change your fluid every 40,000 miles.
So allowing for 10 litres per fluid change, the cost of original MB 236.14 is €250 and €110 for the equivalent.
Do NOT use ANY fluid that states "DEXRON XXX" nor ANY Multi-spec or generic "6-speed ATF transmission fluid" in 7-speed or 9-speed gearboxes.
They might be OK in 5-speed and 4-speed auto transmissions but they cost the same as the correct truly equivalent fluid, so there is no reason if the correct fluid is available for those, 236.10 usually.
I did a similar trial of ZF 6HP26 transmission fluid in my Jaguar when the original ZF 6 fluid cost £25 per litre. Shell supplied the original spec to ZF and their M1375.4 is the true equivalent for ZF 6 and cost £98 for a 20 litre drum direct from Shells official UK distributor. That's £5 per litre.
By all means look outside the box but do some good detective work and most of all... be sensible.
Because there are many fluids from other oil blenders which say "Equivalent to and exceeds MB 236.12" but if you read all, they also say "... DEXRON II.. DEXRON III... DEXRON IV... DEXRON VVI" and similar specifications.
DEXRON specs are Not suitable for 7 and 9 speed transmissions. Those really give the fluid a thrashing.
When a fluid states it is ONLY "Equivalent to MB 236.12" then it's fine to TRY it if it's a lot cheaper or if it's the only equivalent fluid available.
Why are these fluids so sensitive?
Because incorrect spec fluids don't have the necessary "modifiers" in them to keep them consistent especially at low speeds, and they Froth when they get hot and churned in the gearbox, and cause what I've described - kicks and / or slipping on gearchange.
After paying around $200-$300 plus labour for a "cheap" fluid change, even instead of $600-$700, which is typical at a gearbox "specialist" or some main dealers, the last thing you want is for your transmission to kick you in the back when it was lovely and smooth before.
In extreme cases people have changed complete gearboxes at the main dealer for $4,000-$5,000 or more after using an incorrect fluid and getting frightened that they'd destroyed their gearbox. The main dealer often will not open a gearbox, just replace it.
You don't have to buy the Mercedes own-brand fluid from the main dealer. If you look at the 236.12 and 236.14 lists that I pointed to, so you can see for yourselves that it's MB's recommendation not mine, you'll find that MB did test and approve MANY fluids from lots of manufacturers.
As an example... The last time I bought original MB 236.14 it was around €25 per litre. An equivalent single-spec fluid cost around €11 per litre. I can't remember the brand, maybe Meyle or Febi.
They are both good brands, and the original MB fluid is not that much more. And the fluid doesn't need changing frequently, the recommended interval is 40,000 miles I think, but double that is fine as long as you change the filter at the same time. Change the filter every 2nd fluid change if you like to change your fluid every 40,000 miles.
So allowing for 10 litres per fluid change, the cost of original MB 236.14 is €250 and €110 for the equivalent.
Do NOT use ANY fluid that states "DEXRON XXX" nor ANY Multi-spec or generic "6-speed ATF transmission fluid" in 7-speed or 9-speed gearboxes.
They might be OK in 5-speed and 4-speed auto transmissions but they cost the same as the correct truly equivalent fluid, so there is no reason if the correct fluid is available for those, 236.10 usually.
I did a similar trial of ZF 6HP26 transmission fluid in my Jaguar when the original ZF 6 fluid cost £25 per litre. Shell supplied the original spec to ZF and their M1375.4 is the true equivalent for ZF 6 and cost £98 for a 20 litre drum direct from Shells official UK distributor. That's £5 per litre.
By all means look outside the box but do some good detective work and most of all... be sensible.
Me...oil...detective !
Yes I do some serious homework unfortunately when you dig deep and broadcast one's understandings it's beyond those with ' basic settings ' and to them you end up sounding like an alien from outer space .
My homework revealed the oil companies actually responsible for the low viscosity Co development of the blue 236.15 and one is familiar to me as a specialist oil producer with some rather good full range Ester Racing oils and even a niche C3 Ester Racing diesel oil !
So you know who actually made it rather than guessing who made it for Febi Bilstein or Meyle .
As the Co developer it is also ' approved ' and has an attractive price over Spectre .
Yes I do some serious homework unfortunately when you dig deep and broadcast one's understandings it's beyond those with ' basic settings ' and to them you end up sounding like an alien from outer space .
My homework revealed the oil companies actually responsible for the low viscosity Co development of the blue 236.15 and one is familiar to me as a specialist oil producer with some rather good full range Ester Racing oils and even a niche C3 Ester Racing diesel oil !
So you know who actually made it rather than guessing who made it for Febi Bilstein or Meyle .
As the Co developer it is also ' approved ' and has an attractive price over Spectre .
It was hard work finding and digging into spec sheets to find true equivalent single-spec fluids for the ZF box in my old Jag.
Even after I got confirmation from Shell through their distributor, the red dye they put in the fluid for non-OEM direct sale made people question it, insisting that it wasn't genuine.
Shell don't dye the fluid they sell to OEMs, it's gold.
Some manufacturers will void the warranty if they find red ATF in the transmission.
In the end I had to guinea pig my own car to test the Shell M1375.4 fluid, and it was a huge relief when the car returned to really smooth, virtually unnoticeable gearchanges. It had been giving me a severe kick in the back before.
It was great for around 18 months, up to the time I sold the car. I miss the old Jag, it was a good comfortable ride.
Even after I got confirmation from Shell through their distributor, the red dye they put in the fluid for non-OEM direct sale made people question it, insisting that it wasn't genuine.
Shell don't dye the fluid they sell to OEMs, it's gold.
Some manufacturers will void the warranty if they find red ATF in the transmission.
In the end I had to guinea pig my own car to test the Shell M1375.4 fluid, and it was a huge relief when the car returned to really smooth, virtually unnoticeable gearchanges. It had been giving me a severe kick in the back before.
It was great for around 18 months, up to the time I sold the car. I miss the old Jag, it was a good comfortable ride.
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