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M119.960 Throttle position + Transmission adjustment

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#1 ·
Hello

Haven't been active here for quite sometime. Well I've been reading a lot of threads last night regarding this topic. However, I decided on making a new thread here as i feel I don't exactly share the same problems as the rest. This is going to be quite a long read, so please bear with me.

The Problem
My throttle pedal has some dead-space in the last third or quarter when depressed in gear. There is no play whatsoever in the first quarter of pedal travel. However, when you reach about three quarters of pedal travel, you start to feel some kind of spring resistance and dead space. This results in the last quarter of pedal travel being useless and not delivering any extra power when needed.

I've adjusted the throttle pedal linkages as per the WIS pdf instructions which I will explain below further. From what I understand, when you depress the gas pedal to a point where you start feeling resistance, that's the point for the transmission to shift down a gear and give you further power as needed. This doesn't always happen, sometimes i find myself stuck in 3rd gear at 60KMH and the only way to get it moving is to activate the kickdown by going full throttle. This doesn't make sense as I don't want to depress it to full throttle every time I need some moderate acceleration.

I tried adjusting the bowden cable and I'm not a 100% sure that I'm doing this right, but when I screw it clockwise it tightens the transmission and shifts too early. If i screw it counter-clockwise it shifts later and downshifts better but not as much as I want it to. I screw it counter-clockwise to a point where the yellow nut is actually completely lose, and if you pull on it, it comes out from the housing with no resistance. This doesn't work and puts a much heavier resistance point on the pedal, even when in neutral.

The throttle pedal adjustment procedures are quite straight-forward, you unscrew nut no.29 which is your black throttle nut until the spring is resting free of tension. You remove linkage no21 and 20 and start adjusting those to remove any slack and then you switch on ignition and let the car learn the rest and full throttle positions of the pedal. The first time you teach the car the full throttle position, it causes linkage no.21 to move slowly into full throttle position and you hear an audible clicking sound once it is in position. You connect the linkages and with the ignition on, you depress the accelerator from the cabin and make sure the throttle lever rests against the full throttle stop position. Adjust it if necessary and then turn the engine over and finally adjust the nut below the dashboard above the gas pedal to lower idle if necessary.
Now this last nut controls how stiff or soft the pedal is, too stiff and you get high idle and dead travel space in the first quarter, too soft and you get lower idle and dead space either center or last quarter of pedal travel. Finding the sweet spot isn't as easy as it sounds.

Once you do find it, you proceed to adjust the bowden cable, by pulling on the inner cable to make sure there is no slack while turning nut no.15 and arrow no.17 on the center alignment point. Right???


After doing all of that, I still end up with the above problems.

One more thing, if I try to engage the kickdown at anything above 25-30 KMH I only get 2nd gear not first. I end up shifting manually into first, If i kickdown at approximately 20KMH I get first gear. This isn't right, specially that if i do the same at anything from 80 to around 110KMH I go immediately into 2nd gear and the car surges forwards with such beautiful force

The max shift points for this tranny are

1st into 2nd = 75 KMH
2nd into 3rd = 120 KMH
3rd into 4th = 200 KMH

Why doesn't downshift into 2nd even when you are only 10 KMH from redline but doesn't do the same, or even comes close to doing that for 1st gear.

I have an ABS/ASR light that only comes on when rolling and not when starting the car up. However, if i start the car up and floor it on the first few meters causing wheels spin, The ASR/ABS light never come on again and everything works fine. Except that at slow speeds, like slowing down for a speed hump you feel some vibrations in the brake pedal as ABS is active, even though it clearly isn't.
Another trick is shutting off the engine while in motion on neutral and restarting while in motion. This causes the lights not to never come on again. I understand this is probably a front ABS sensor issue.
Might be irrelevant to this topic but I just wanted to make it known to you guys...every little detail helps.

I hope someone here can help, as all local so called mechanics here don't know anything about diagnosing these older cars, specially anything pre-OBDII like mine. And the dealership wants me to pay a fortune for them to basically diagnose literally everything in the car as they have no history of this vehicle ever being registered in their system and want to make sure there are no tampering or any kind of Jerry-rigging from local mechanics before they even address the problem at hand.

So please help me out if you can

Thanks guys
 
#2 ·
There is a vacuum line that goes from the engine to the tranny modulator.

There are rubber elbows. They do go bad..
Check that you have vacuum.

The modulator makes the changing of the gears, softer/harder.
Open throttle = less vacuum.

After you check that, adjust the bowden cable.
(Pointer to the wheel center.)
Don't forget. To jingle it a little...

While you there, check the linkage bushings.

Cable tells the tranny, where the throttle position is...

? In other words, what your mind says to foot. Lol.

Both have to work in harmony.

Like in Yoga. Spirit, and Body.

Breath....





Exhale....



Relax....


Regards,
aam.

Ps.

If you have worn out parts.
Forget Yoga/India.

Now you have to go Greek.
More then 2000 years a go, there was a chick/woman.
Named Pythia the oracle of Delfi.

What she said.
Kings, DID....
 
#3 ·
Hahaha aam your posts alone makes me forget what the problem was in the first place. If I ever go to Greece I'll be sure to look you up. Cheers

I did go for a second adjustment, I started from scratch and readjusted everything again. It operates a bit smoother now and almost understands what I want in terms of downshifts. I still can't kickdown to first if I'm doing more than 25 or 30 Km/h.

My next step is to do a complete tranny flush service and see how it goes from there.
 
#4 ·
The oracle has been dead for a long time, not a bone left.

As to find me.

Wrong Continent.

I been in LA for the last fifty years....

When in Greece, I am a tourist, just like you.

OK,
A little better, I can at list speak. Lol.

Now back to your forum question.

Can't kickdown to first if I'm doing more than 25 or 30 Km/h.

I don't think that you can do, what you want to do.

Hmmmmm.

Red line on first, then you let go.

You may find your face cemented to the windshield.

Maybe he likes pancakes.

That much?

Really?

I am playing with you. Lol.

Regards,
aam..
 
#6 ·
hahahahaha

Well I can force it into first manually if I'm over 30 KMH by using the shifter. However, I believe it used to do that on its own before.





How does your car behave in similar conditions?



aam. You got me on this one.
I don't remember.
I put it in drive, and I go/drive.

aam. It is a hydraulic tranny for 119960
As you know it starts on second.

I have no use of the first gear....
Sometimes, when going down a steep hill.

If I have to use it, shift in to first, then in to drive.
Let the tranny, do it's magic.

Or floor it.
For me, the car is fast enough.

Remember.
Why are you beating an old horse.
Is going to cost you....

Are you running away from the wife's? Lol.

Regards,
aam.
 
#12 · (Edited)
Hi Mike00135,
Registered 2009, with only three posts.
Looks like you have been doing well.

As this doesn't help the forum, I don't do private.
Plus there are members that can help, sometimes better than I can....

Our ancestors said.
Only a fool thinks that he knows, everything.

That doesn't mean I'm not going to help you. Please do tell about your problem, or questions you may have.
(Looks like my computer is acting up. Have to push the keys two three times.
Does covid effect computers? )

I treat every member the same way.
Okay Ellina / Greek,
On yours, I will keep the corner of my eye . ;)

Regards,
aam.

PS,
It will help to add, in avatar,
Year, engine, your location?
 
#13 ·
Thanks for the reply @aam is your pc vaccinated ?😅

My car is a 500SL 1990 year.. engine is M119.960 and I live in Cyprus!

the car was doing fine since 2009 to be honest! However it sat in a garage for around two years as i was away in the UK.. Now my issue is that the car is slow on throttle response and even when i kickdown it might not downshift and if it does it will go to around 5000rpm and then change gear. In the past when i kickdown it would go all the way to 6000 rpm faster before it would change gear. When the car is in idle it sounds good but when i open the bonnet you can see the engine is shaking a bit which seems i have a misfire somewhere. Also a very small amount of smoke comes out the exhaust when on idle.. had the injectors checked, the distributors, the EZL module, had the ignition wires to the spark plugs checked and everything seems fine.. also checked all vacuum lines for any cracks and seems fine.

I came across a number of posts about wiring looms biodegradable which i found out i have a number of wires in the engine bay that have a few cracks on them. Should i start fixing the wires first as that might be the case?

I would like to post a video of the engine running but is seems i can only post photos?
 
#15 ·
Where do I start?
Oh yes the latest computer news is that my motherboard is slowly going south. :(

Robert said top gun pilot, 22 + amazing amount of kills.
And a couple of wife's?

When he started, was he thinking, that he would be able to make the first kill?
How about the second?
After the fifth, the craziness begins.
You feel, untouchable.
Tenth, you start feeling like the first?
For the rest, a toilet visitor.
Or,
maybe not.

You are located in Cyprus, Are you driving a car, thinking more air plain?

Kicking at 5-6k rpm, that should take you from Cyprus to Athens, in no time.

Albert, enough with the jokes.
I don't think that you have biodegradable wire problems. 93-95 yes.
Look at my friends posts.

robm.UK
Misfire in MB CIS-e engines due to moisture in distributors- download article.
Start from there.

Regards,
aam.
 
#16 ·
Where do I start?
Oh yes the latest computer news is that my motherboard is slowly going south. :(

Robert said top gun pilot, 22 + amazing amount of kills.
And a couple of wife's?

When he started, was he thinking, that he would be able to make the first kill?
How about the second?
After the fifth, the craziness begins.
You feel, untouchable.
Tenth, you start feeling like the first?
For the rest, a toilet visitor.
Or,
maybe not.

You are located in Cyprus, Are you driving a car, thinking more air plain?

Kicking at 5-6k rpm, that should take you from Cyprus to Athens, in no time.

Albert, enough with the jokes.
I don't think that you have biodegradable wire problems. 93-95 yes.
Look at my friends posts.

robm.UK
Misfire in MB CIS-e engines due to moisture in distributors- download article.
Start from there.

Regards,
aam.
thanks for the reply! I am not kicking at 5-6k rpm 😅 but when i am kicking at around 3k rpm the engine will not go over 5k rpm before changing gear!

will have a look at the article thanks! However I had the distributor caps removed and cleaned.. maybe i will give them another inspection and take some photos to post!
 
#17 · (Edited)
Hi Mike,
I hope your stay in the UK was enjoyable and we made you feel welcome!

The link to my misfire article is in my signature below. Just click where it says ‘HERE’ in the signature.

First question. 1990. No cats?

As for your engine issues, if you take it to an MB workshop they should diagnose by the book. Air, fuel, spark. Important to follow the MB procedures. In order. Basic visible checks first. Vacuum lines, connectors, fuel leaks, engine shaking (you have spotted), check for loose/broken vacuum lines/connectors or brittle secondary air system hoses. Remove fuel filler cap, make any difference to running? Check coolant temperature sensor (CTS) four pin. CTS resistances at cold and hot against book values. CTS affects fuel mixture, too over rich, too lean. Check general condition of engine, filters, oil, plugs. When engine asleep, open throttle, can you here CTP switch click? Full throttle, can you hear WOT switch click? Listen carefully. Confirm by checking open/closed with a multimeter. Check mechanical operation of air/fuel system. Yes it is mechanical based. Depress air flow sensor (AFS) plate, smooth or sticking? Check fuel governor (EHA) current. Duty cycle. MAS. Fuel pressures. EZL, coils, coil outputs on a scope tells a lot. Maybe coil output points you to check for a leaking cold start valve. You check anyway because you have smoke, poor idle. Check the Spark plugs again after test drive, plug wires, plugs brown deposits? Good. White ceramic core, or black deposits (lean, rich respectively) are bad. Fuel pressures. Control, system, holding fuel pressures in spec? May be fuel distributor needs attention. Fuel pressure regulator, accumulator. Fuel injector spray patterns. Workshop would need car for a couple of days to run these tests. If they have it for only two hours, not enough time!

But good mechanics sometimes can go by initial sight/sound/smell. Instincts. From what you have said. Storage two years. Poor idle. Misfire. Smoke on idle. Kick down, 5000rpm change, not 6000. We can make educated guesses. But only guesses. No substitute for hard graft, thorough diagnosis!

What happens during storage? Something changed. So, stale fuel in tank? Choices... fuel tank near empty? Top up with good fuel and fuel system cleaner. Run through. Any difference? If more fuel in tank, takes a bit longer. Run through carefully. Drive gently. Any difference?

So, smoke on idle. Over fuelling. First check CTS resistances in spec. Often more simple to just replace. Cheap. Any difference?

I jump in here. Not fuelling. But probably good idea to attend to those distributor caps as per my article. Long read, but if you’re canny, use the contents page. Go straight to solution. Don’t get bogged down in explanations and data. Some have and have got lost, leading to unintelligent criticism 😁. I aim to do a more brief write up soon.

Ethanol in E10 fuel known to cause corrosion of internal fuel system components and damage to EHA and fuel distributor over long lay up. This would direct me to check EHA for leaks while engine is running. Leaks? Not O-rings. They do not fail. Check EHA screws are tight. Still leaks? They leak from front when bad. Change EHA. Any difference?

AFS operation. Depress plate. Smooth? Is it sticking? Crank engine. Depress plate. Do you feel resistance after 2mm free travel? Simple checks. Sticking either means the AFS plate either needs re-centering (never seen this issue on M119), fuel control pressure too high, or control plunger in fuel distributor needs attention. Check fuel pressures with EHA disconnected. System pressure 6.2-6.4 bar. Difference between control and system 0.4bar. System pressure too low, check pumps, filter, accumulator and FPR. Control pressure too low, check EHA baseline setting with EHA unplugged.

Check CSV. Quick test, disconnect fuel line and electrical connector to CSV. Remove CSV fuel line to fuel distributor and insert temporary blanking plug . Careful, fuel leaks, observe precautions. Any difference? You can leave disconnected. Don’t reconnect yet. Engine might be a little more difficult to start from cold (5 deg C). Doubtful this will be an issue for you in Cyprus in summer.

Now you have temporarily decommissioned CSV (they can be intermittent, best to send children to bed when they play up 😉). You can focus on integrity of vacuum lines and secondary air system breather hoses. Engine running, spray carb cleaner around vacuum lines, connectors, secondary air system hoses, especially around top of fuel injectors. Revs rise? There is a leak. Visuals, spanner’s, inspect. Replace all loose/brittle hoses/lines/connectors.

So, if necessary on to checking general health of fuel system. Duty cycle with engine off and also running will show up faults as a code (off/on ratio) and state of fuel trim. Important, does your car have cats?

Check coil outputs with scope. Go from there.
 
#18 ·
Hi Mike,
I hope your stay in the UK was enjoyable and we made you feel welcome!

The link to my misfire article is in my signature below. Just click where it says ‘HERE’ in the signature.

First question. 1990. No cats?

As for your engine issues, if you take it to an MB workshop they should diagnose by the book. Air, fuel, spark. Important to follow the MB procedures. In order. Basic visible checks first. Vacuum lines, connectors, fuel leaks, engine shaking (you have spotted), check for loose/broken vacuum lines/connectors or brittle secondary air system hoses. Remove fuel filler cap, make any difference to running? Check coolant temperature sensor (CTS) four pin. CTS resistances at cold and hot against book values. CTS affects fuel mixture, too over rich, too lean. Check general condition of engine, filters, oil, plugs. When engine asleep, open throttle, can you here CTP switch click? Full throttle, can you here WOT switch click? Listen carefully. Confirm by checking open/closed with a multimeter. Check mechanical operation of air/fuel system. Yes it is mechanical based. Depress air flow sensor (AFS) plate, smooth or sticking? Check fuel governor (EHA) current. Duty cycle. MAS. Fuel pressures. EZL, coils, coil outputs on a scope tells a lot. Maybe coil output points you to check for a leaking cold start valve. You check anyway because you have smoke, poor idle. From the Spark plugs again after test drive, plug wires, plugs brown deposits? Good. White ceramic core, or black deposits (lean, rich respectively) are bad. Fuel pressures. Control, system, holding fuel pressures in spec? May be fuel distributor needs attention. Fuel pressure regulator, accumulator. Fuel injector spray patterns. Workshop would need car for a couple of days to run these tests. If they have it for only two hours, not enough time!

But good mechanics sometimes can go by initial sight/sound/smell. Instincts. From what you have said. Storage two years. Poor idle. Misfire. Smoke on idle. Kick down, 5000rpm change, not 6000. We can make educated guesses. But only guesses. No substitute for hard graft, thorough diagnosis!

What happens during storage? Something changed. So, stale fuel in tank? Choices... fuel tank near empty? Top up with good fuel and fuel system cleaner. Run through. Any difference? If more fuel in tank, takes a bit longer. Run through carefully. Drive gently. Any difference?

So, smoke on idle. Over fuelling. First check CTS resistances in spec. Often more simple to just replace. Cheap. Any difference?

I jump in here. Not fuelling. But probably good idea to attend to those distributor caps as per my article. Long read, but if you’re canny, use the contents page. Go straight to solution. Don’t get bogged down in explanations and data. Some have and have got lost, leading to unintelligent criticism 😁. I aim to do a more brief write up soon.

Ethanol in E10 fuel known to cause corrosion of internal fuel system components and damage to EHA and fuel distributor over long lay up. This would direct me to check EHA for leaks while engine is running. Leaks? Not O-rings. They do not fail. Check EHA screws are tight. Still leaks? They leak from front when bad. Change. Any difference?

AFS operation. Depress plate. Smooth? Is it sticking? Crank engine. Depress plate. Do you feel resistance after 2mm free travel? Simple checks. Sticking either means the AFS plate needs re-centering (never seen this issue on M119), fuel control pressure too high, or control plunger in fuel distributor needs attention. Check fuel pressures.

Check CSV. Quick test, disconnect fuel line and electrical connector to CSV. Remove CSV fuel line to fuel distributor and insert temporary blanking plug . Careful, fuel leaks, observe precautions. Any difference? You can leave disconnected. Don’t reconnect yet. Engine might be a little more difficult to start from cold (5 deg C). Doubtful this will be an issue for you in Cyprus in summer.

Now you have temporarily decommissioned CSV (they can be intermittent, best to send children to bed when they play up 😉). You can focus on integrity of vacuum lines and secondary air system breather hoses. Engine running, spray carb cleaner around vacuum lines, connectors, secondary air system hoses, especially around top of fuel injectors. Revs rise? There is a leak. Visuals, spanner’s, inspect. Replace all loose/brittle hoses/lines/connectors.

So, if necessary on to checking general health of fuel system. Duty cycle with engine off and also running will show up faults as a code (off/on ratio) and state of fuel trim. Important, does your car have cats?

Check coil outputs with scope. Go from there.
Thanks for the reply and your time.. my car has no cats.. need to start doing all the checks you stated!

Also the car was serviced at a mercedes specialist and he says there is nothing wrong 🤦🏼‍♂️ I dont think they have the books for these cars😅 Had sparks replaced, oil and filters.. i have driven the car for a while now as he suggested that i had to drive the car for a while as it would improve but no luck.. so the fuel in the tank is fresh..
 
#19 ·
Ok, so your fuel trim (AF mixture) can only be checked by exhaust gas analyser. Presumably MB did this? Its odd with symptoms you describe. I’d swear you have a rich mixture.

Sometimes (read: more often than not) with these old cars, the contacts of the control modules/ECUs corrode. Not in the sense of rusting steel. The silver coated aluminium pins gradually oxidise and the silver surface goes dull. Electrical resistance builds up.

I promote removing all the ECUs and clean the contacts with electrical contact cleaner and emery paper. Ditto ALL fuses. Clean sockets, replace fuses.

Also, there are specific tests for the Over Voltage Protection relay, which is in the engine ECU compartment. Red fuse (possibly two fuses if it has been replaced) on top under clear plastic lid. Often easier, if this is older than 5 years to just replace.

“There is nothing wrong...” are sometimes by words for “I haven’t checked, and what I can’t see doesn’t matter”.

There is always something wrong. It’s a balancing act with these older V8s. You also need to be a good juggler?

Don’t start throwing expensive parts at it. New ignition parts can mask a fuelling problem and vice versa. Tips the balance. You need also need to be a good surgeon.

Albert is ALL these things, and much more. 😁
 
#21 ·
Ok, so your fuel trim (AF mixture) can only be checked by exhaust gas analyser. Presumably MB did this? Its odd with symptoms you describe. I’d swear you have a rich mixture.

Sometimes (read: more often than not) with these old cars, the contacts of the control modules/ECUs corrode. Not in the sense of rusting steel. The silver coated aluminium pins gradually oxidise and the silver surface goes dull. Electrical resistance builds up.

I promote removing all the ECUs and clean the contacts with electrical contact cleaner and emery paper. Ditto ALL fuses. Clean sockets, replace fuses.

Also, there are specific tests for the Over Voltage Protection relay, which is in the engine ECU compartment. Red fuse (possibly two fuses if it has been replaced) on top under clear plastic lid. Often easier, if this is older than 5 years to just replace.

“There is nothing wrong...” are sometimes by words for “I haven’t checked, and what I can’t see doesn’t matter”.

There is always something wrong. It’s a balancing act with these older V8s. You also need to be a good juggler?

Don’t start throwing expensive parts at it. New ignition parts can mask a fuelling problem and vice versa. Tips the balance. You need also need to be a good surgeon.

Albert is ALL these things, and much more. 😁
Thanks for the advise… will get some electrical contact cleaner and give it a go! Will get back on Wednesday with results and some photos of my tests as advised! 😅
 
#25 ·
Hi guys! 😇

started doing some tests as advised but haven’t done much as its 42 degrees C outside!

Checked the EHA and doesn't seem to have any visible sign of leaks.

Checked CTS! When cold the readings were 994ohm and 978ohm. When the car was at 80C (cluster gauge reading) the readings were 359ohm and 350ohm.

the AFS is smooth when depressing.. need to do the rest testings! not sure if there is a 2mm of free travel.

Will get back when i do the rest testing during the weekend i guess!

trying to source a gauge to measure the fuel pressure!
 
#23 ·
A man is in the ocean, in a small rowing boat.
Thalassa, Thalassa.
Water, water everywhere, and not a drop to drink.

Robert......


Your advice is golden.....
GOD, Moses, ONLY. Ten commandments.
Six thousand years later, we are still working.
Ouch,
Sorry Father.
I think, I have broken one.


The car is more then 30 years old.....

If, you have to pay a professional to do the tests, the bill would have been more than the value of the car.

First, rotors, caps?
Second, smoke the car?
Yoga, breath?

Mike comes back.
We do a couple more....
Life is beautiful.
Slowing the process, may satisfy curiosity.

Regards,
aam.

PS,
I hear you.
Do you remember the first girlfriend, excitement, so beautiful.
That's Amore.
 
#24 ·
Benzworld aka Casa Amor 🤣

A great philosopher once said “I am a man. I chase”

Small steps. Softly, softly, catchee monkey. This works on a 30 year old V8? Who knows?

With these old V8s it’s better to be prepared. To know what it’s like going in, so we avoid frustration later “if I had known, I wouldn’t have... 🙁” Rabbit hole could be very deep. I know only too well. Small steps to us maybe large leaps to others.

Smoke test, yes. Better than carb cleaner 👍. Latter will pick up big leaks, former small, everything. But depending where you spray cleaner, it could get drawn in through throttle. Give a false reading. But my engine is a non-smoker... 🙂

Albert, your advice is AAA grade platinum. I broke one too, but it’s ok, I didn’t break the tablet... 😉
 
#27 · (Edited)
CTS values ok.
View attachment 2705517
Don’t run. Walk. Fuel pressures, not yet.
Air leaks? What is your idle speed (to nearest 25 rpm) at operating temperature in neutral? And in drive.
i have attached photos of cold start (40 degrees outside) then at operating temperature in neutral and in drive.

also I have tested (i think) the WOT/CTP switch.. attached a photo again.. when i connect my multimeter to the pins with the green line I get a beep sound and if i push the throttle is stops beeping..also tried connecting to the pins with the blue line i draw but no beep sound with full throttle.. should there be a beep sound with full throttle?

have also checked for air leaks but everything seems fine.. will try again on Saturday when i have more time in case i missed something

 
#28 ·
Ok, good. You don’t have a significant air leak. Otherwise revs at idle would be higher when engine is warm.

... And you have established that the WOT switch is not operating. This might be connected with the change up at 5k instead of 6k. Engine management thinks you are on part throttle, not WOT. Not WOT signal, early downshift and no full throttle enrichment. It would be nice if we could confirm this from WIS.

So, two out of three!

The third, uneven, lumpy idle. My hunch is a leaking cold start valve (CSV). I mean there are tests, which involve removing cold start, in a jar. Connected to fuel line. CSV port blanked off. Remove CTS plug. Two resistors to emulate cold temperature. Run engine. Check spray pattern. Two more resistors for hot engine. Repeat. Is CSV leaking? Wow! A lot of work.

My way easier, disconnect fuel line to CSV at fuel distributor. Blank port. Unplug wiring connector to CSV. Start engine from cold. Nice even idle? Then the lumpy idle was caused by leaking CSV.

Observe precautions with fuel leakage.
 
#30 ·
Thanks for the replies! Appreciate your help and time!

will blank the CSV port and unplug the wiring connector and see how it goes!

does the WOT switch needs replacing or can it be adjusted?

not sure if anyone messed around with the fuel mixture adjustment to be honest.. but I would say yes as i had it replaced recently with the service (as the old one was faulty the mechanic said). (I attached a photo of what i bought from MB)
 
#33 ·
Too rich, the idle will be lumpy, so yes the engine would shake. You would also see smoke from exhaust.

Here is the technical data for M119.660. Emissions values without cat is on RH side (blue arrow). Pre cat versions don’t have closed loop lambda control, so you need an exhaust gas analyser. The %CO at idle should be 1.5% +/-0.5

2706058


The CTP / WOT switches are combined into a small black electrical housing that bolts on to the side of the throttle housing underneath the AFS. It is a hassle to get to. You have to remove the AFS.