We got whacked with a major wind storm when I got back from FL.

It took part of the roof off the machine shed I use for the track car and farm equipment.
Looks like a couple of more days until the rain lets up and I can finish it from the top.
I am prepping/painting the metal panels in the main barn so I can slap it all on on Saturday.

Hopefully I can then get some answers for you on what will fit with the least amount of modification
on the front as far as brackets and rotors that work with nicer calipers.

 

Exactly what I'd like to know as well!

 

The conversion is easy only the front spindles have a different dia for the caliper mounting bolts as the shoulder on the bolt is a larger dia,either replace the front spindles or drill the old ones via a vertical mill ....all the other parts bolt on no problem

I have done several 211 brake conversions to the AMG brakes 8 pot front and 4 pot rear
With great results!

 

Hi Mark,

AMG Brake ancilleries are not exactly cheap either, how does this compare on price with an aftermarket set up like Brembo GT's?

What are the K-Sport kits like?

TBH I don't find my standard setup wanting for my driving but now I'm on 19" AMG rims the standard brake calipers look very weedy as they are massively exposed on 5 spokes.

It's asthetics I'm after rather than a significant performance upgrade?

 

If you have 16 or 17 inch wheels the brakes will be too big to clear the wheels. If they are the 4 piston Brembo brakes that have the AMG logo on them 18" wheels will be needed.

 

Thanks for the reply Noodles!

Yes i do have a set of nice 18" rims that i'm planning to install on my E class... So i think there will be enough space to allow the installation of the AMG brakes kit.

What i need for sure to know is:

1/ Does the W220 AMG brake kit fit into a W211?

2/ Do the kit(calipers/rotors/pads) is all i need for the brakes conversion; or some other part has to be changed too?? to have a nice result for the brakes and empower them, and not only upgrade the design...!

Thanks again!

 

I am not sure about a them being a direct bolt on fitment. I wish I did.

 

What about the mast brake cylinder? For some reason I am entertaining this idea as well as I have sourced a pair of e55 8pot front/4 pot rears and want it to fill the empty space in the stock 18" AMG sport wheels on our e350.

I know that the front has to be drilled to a 14mm but that's easy. Rears are 100% bolt on and everything else should be as well...

What concerns me is that the AMG sport package does already come with the better brakes at 4 pots front/ 2 pot rears. I am not 100% sure if they upgrade from the factory included a better master brake cylinder for the 4 pots compared to the single floating fronts that normally come on the w211. I would think if they upgraded that then the master brake cylinder would be fine, but if it's the same as the standard single floating brake then I would be very histant to install the stock AMG e55 8/4 pots on the car without changing that...

Does anyone know for sure?

EDIT: OLD thread but I ended up doing a e55 caliper conversion on both front and rear. I changed out the lines to s/s as well and had no issues. Had caliper piston over-return issue at first but that's common on MB. There's a thread about it on MBworld. But the brakes have been fine now for 5 years...etc.. No issues. NO need to change master brake cylinder.

-Nigel

 

Yes. Might need bigger wheels.

Sixto
05 E320 wagon 177K miles

 

Hey guys i got a 2007 e350 and fixing it up. I need help. I got a set of 2007 e63 amg brake calipers off ebay and i need to know if i need the rear rotors as well. I got the front rotors for it. But i dont know if the rear will need it or can i just bolt the rear calipers to the e350 rotors and be good?

I got the calipers for 1k and the front rotors for $350 bucks i had to do it. Im putting 20 inch wheels on it. I also have the coilovers and new control arms and everything.

Help me out. Also im assuming its direct bolt up with no drilling of the screw holes for the front calipers as its the same year E-CLASS w211 before the w212. Correct me if im wrong

Here is a pic of the beautiful front below. Also i have staggered wheels 20x11 rear and 20x9 front offset is aggressive i can post offset later if anyone is interested and yes they will fit.

But i think im gonna have the hardest e-class out here in texas as far as looks and stance once im complete with this build. I plan in the future to engine swap a ferrari engine in this car so thats really why all the extreme upgrades. And yes im gonna do that swap in the next few years no matter what.

Just need some answers before i start changing parts this Thursday. Ill post the completed results on a different thread.

 

You will have to either get AMG front spindles or drill out the front spindle bolt hole by 2mm. I did the latter to mine because I did not want to spend $400+ for new spindles.

The rear calipers just bolt on but you will need larger rotors.
OEM Part numbers that I used are the following:
*Mercedes Disc Brake Front - Genuine Mercedes: 221421181207
*Mercedes Disc Brake Rear - Genuine Mercedes: 2114231112

See my pictures of the brake conversion that I did years ago. Everything is still fine to this day.
Sport rotors on the left, e55 rotors on the right (not used yet) You can see the rear amg rotor on the lower right is as big as the front sport rotor on the upper left.

-Nigel

 

You will have to either get AMG front spindles or drill out the front spindle bolt hole by 2mm. I did the latter to mine because I did not want to spend $400+ for new spindles.

The rear calipers just bolt on but you will need larger rotors.
OEM Part numbers that I used are the following:
*Mercedes Disc Brake Front - Genuine Mercedes: 221421181207
*Mercedes Disc Brake Rear - Genuine Mercedes: 2114231112

See my pictures of the brake conversion that I did years ago. Everything is still fine to this day.
Sport rotors on the left, e55 rotors on the right (not used yet) You can see the rear amg rotor on the lower right is as big as the front sport rotor on the upper left.
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-Nigel

Mines is the 2007 E63 "NOT E55" and my car is also 2007 E350.
Thats really why i am asking because the brake calipers are a bit different. I got the front rotors already since they are the same year i wasn't sure if i needed to drill anything or not. I guess ill have to just see on my own when i put them on this friday. Got to wait until the rotors arrive Thursday and also wait for the tires for my rims. But thanks. I should have done the E55 but the E63 rotors were available and so i got them so i could finish my build before they send me back to work.

 

They are in essence the same via rotor size between the two e55/e63.. You will still have to enlarge the spindle bolt hole. It is larger on the e63/e55 compared to the e350. I have an 09' e350 and you have an 07' e350. They are the same.

The e63 calipers are 6 piston compared to 8 pistons on the e55. Mounting wise it's the same, they are bolt on but you have to enlarge the spindle bolt hole or buy new AMG spindles.

The e63 rotors are two pieces where as the e55 are one piece. One can use e63 two piece rotors on e55 calipers and vise versa with one piece rotors with the e63 calipers. When I did my conversion e63 rotors were almost $1k a piece, now I think they are significantly cheaper at like $400 a piece. For that a lone it's nice to have some weight savings. If they were that price when I did everything I would have done two piece e63 rotors with my e55 calipers. On FB groups when the prices were still insane many people after going through sets of e63 rotors went with e55 rotors on their e63 vehicle because they were more than 3/4 the cost for the rotors.

-Nigel

 

Oh Wow thanks for letting me know i got my E63 rotors both for 400 bucks total.

Do you know what size bit i need to drill the spindle with? I have tons of powerful drills i can use. My brother has his own electric company and ill just use all his tools lol.

What size bit do i need. And ill make sure once these e63 rotors are no good to just put e55 rotors on to save money. Glad im apart of these forums. You guys are great.

 

Honestly I can't remember the drill bit size. It's probably in another thread here on the forum. I do know that it only has to be enlarged by 2mm. It's not much. I did it with my dremel and a grinding stone and while it did take a little bit of time, mine is a perfect fit with the bolt/shoulder of the bolt.

No wobble or non straight hole that one might get if they are not careful if using a drill...etc.

Once you do that, you simply trim your front rotor dust shield (you'll see immediately what needs trimmed) and then you bolt everything up and done deal. Easy Peasy.

-Nigel

 

Thanks i actually found another post on another mercedes forum with you and got all the info i needed. Hope to have all the parts on and completed with this build by Saturday. Ill post pics of everything. And ill create a thread as well just with all yhe info and details for everything i did. Because ill be installing coilovers as well.

 

Alright almost done with the car.

It was beyond easy to put the amg E63 calipers and rotors on. Only thing is for the e63 i also had to cut some of the rear brake dust shield off. Just a little bit but the back bolted straight up.

After that the front was a bit more work. I drilled straight through with a 13mm then got a 14mm and drilled then had to use the dremmel to dremmel out the back of the spindle so the back of the bolt would fit. No crazy stuff needed. I cut a lot of the brake dust shield off. But aside from that was pretty simple. The dremmel is a must for this build and upgrade on the E350. Bleeding was easy also.

I just have the front driver side left. I got to cut a little more of the dust shield off to fit the caliper on. But its coming together cant wait to get this thing done tomorrow.

Ill be rolling the fenders and putting on the rims. Then got to wash it. But im doing it in my driveway in the dirt and yeah its gonna rain tonight lol lets hope the ground isnt too soft yet in the morning lol. My garage is full with another mercedes s500 im Working on so had no choice.

 

I must be candid here. What is to be gained by all of this? The OEM parts are more than adequate.

 

I did mine strictly for looks. I thought it looked ridiculous having stock 18" wheels and the huge amount of wheel gap/space where the sport calipers were. They reminded me of the same look people have when you have larger wheels but teeny tiny brakes. Never had an issue at all with stopping power of the sport 4 piston calipers but the 8 piston really fill out the space which is nice to me.

Normally when I upgrade to a BBK on other cars it's for the performance aspect but since this isn't a sports car, I was happy with how it turned out. Just fills all that empty space. Plus since they are silver and everything on the car is silver I sort of liked the monochromatic look that's going on...lol

-Nigel

 

Also now that i have Finished my abs light came on. I have brakes but im gonna drive it around slowly a bit and see how it does and take it to my mechanic to see if he needs to reset anything.

Anyone have any info on it. Is it a speed sensor? If so i dont remember which sides had the speed sensor let me know which sides so i can double check them. Pics coming with new rims later this evening. Gonna wash the car now.

 

There should be a sensor at each wheel. Get your car scanned before anything else. We’re all spinning wheels, maybe literally, guessing.

Sixto
05 E320 wagon 190K miles

 

Sure thing ill have my mechanic scan it for me later this week. It drives fine and brakes fine. I asked him and he said more than likely its one of the front abs sensors.

But im lazy and its too hot out here in texas so enjoy these pics until i can get a real camera and get some better shots. I still have to lower the back. But ill be painting everything next year. Not the best lighting or angles my phone camera is trash. But the back sits up way to high. Gonna lower it like the front.

But you can see the rims fit. No rubbing only a little touching on the mud gaurd when i make wide turns. So if anyone says 20x9 can't fit in the front they are lying. They just don't understand offset. The back is 20x11 it sticks out a bit. But i wanted that. Ill have my paint and body guy next year pull the fenders a bit more in the back before he paints it so i can lower it properly and it look even nicer.

 

Fixed the abs light, forgot to put back in the sensor. Screwed it back in and light went off. Only problem to fix later is the front tires they were rubbing on the upper control arm bolt in the inside.

But once it ate the rubber touching the bolt it no longer rubbed. So for future guys running 20s on the w211 make sure to get smaller front tires to avoid the rubbing. Im personally gonna get a new set of rims 19s this time because i want to lower the car more. So i wont have to worry of that problem. And ill paint the rims the same color as the car in white. Its gonna look nice. Gonna be doing that next year.

Im gonna put the current 20s on my s500 w220 that ive been working on. Im going to be doing an s55 N/A swap to that one. But i got to get my money back up. Will be back to work in September. Any questions hit me up.

 

Cool! Looking good!

 

In either case, as long as it works, then why not take your car and make it look even cooler if you want? The concept of car modding is a long-standing tradition, especially here in the States. Probably Australia too, being fellow "rebels".... 😁

To prevent tire rubbing, though, the largest I would go on a W211 is the 18" rim with appropriately sized tires. I had to be kinda careful with the S600, having put 19's on it, and fortunately, everything clears, no rubbing.

 

What a mess...

 

Whats a mess bud? This is what we do. We like cars we fix them up and we enjoy them. If you dont like it then thats you. But where i live everyone in my area customizes cars. A guy has a chevy Tahoe square body with a ferrari engine in it.

Tons of shops and guys in Their garages building and doing what they want because we actually do our own work. Youll never know you can do something unless you do it.

 

"Their"

 

These forums tend focus on repair and maintenance and keeping cars generally original. There is varying acceptance of customization. Fitting silver arrow brakes as bolt-on, generally thumbs up. Drilling a precision machined AMG part, sure it’s yours to do but it can feel like criticism of MB design and engineering. To you, a 211 is a canvas, to others, at the moment, most, it left Sindelfingen as art.

Chip Foose and Pierre Hedary walk into a bar… there’s gotta be a punchline. Pierre rags on Kent Bergsma who’s just trying to keep these cars on the road. Let’s make it Chip Foose, Pierre Hedary and Hartmut Feyle walk into a bar…

Sixto
05 E320 wagon 191K miles