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A BIG Thanks Charlie,

Well that was easy :grin

MB Logo now comes up instead of "ERISIN" on boot, H/U is also on the internet now :) see Pics, (apologies for poor quality), too much light and reflections outside, too little inside, and if I use my Canon SLR the pix are great but too big for the forum ;)

The Boot Screen is actually Black IRL, and the MB Star Logo kinda twinkles :grin

I'm gonna be AWOL for a while now, as we are away next week, and I'm now waiting on some SMA Connectors and a Crimping tool, so I can use the Amplified MB Shark Fin for GPS and Cell Phone ...............

GPS is OK on the Antenna supplied, but I feel it will improve with the MB OEM, same with Cellphone :grin

Cheers Dave

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Hi gang,
I am picking up an '07 E350 4matic sedan with the H/K MOST & COMAND system.
I would like to replace the COMAND with a head unit I can use CarPlay with. I am looking at Sony and Pioneer, etc. I have found a number of dash kits, and MOST adapters. The question I have, I need a CANBUS adapter. It seems like most folks here have used one of the XTrons or AVIN units that have built-in CANBUS connections, but for a number of reasons I don't want to go that route.
The CANBUS adapters I've seen require tapping into the wiring manually, instead of male to female connectors. Are there any like that? A Crutchfield-type ready to go wiring harness that I connect to the head unit wiring, and connect to the CANBUS connector that I disconnected from the COMAND unit?
Thanks for the info!
 
Hi gang,
I am picking up an '07 E350 4matic sedan with the H/K MOST & COMAND system.
I would like to replace the COMAND with a head unit I can use CarPlay with. I am looking at Sony and Pioneer, etc. I have found a number of dash kits, and MOST adapters. The question I have, I need a CANBUS adapter. It seems like most folks here have used one of the XTrons or AVIN units that have built-in CANBUS connections, but for a number of reasons I don't want to go that route.
The CANBUS adapters I've seen require tapping into the wiring manually, instead of male to female connectors. Are there any like that? A Crutchfield-type ready to go wiring harness that I connect to the head unit wiring, and connect to the CANBUS connector that I disconnected from the COMAND unit?
Thanks for the info!
Hi, VinnySem - I took a look at the kits you posted links to in another post. I'll just jump in here, and start throwing out random info - maybe it will help! :smile

First, the kits that you've identified are basically available through Chinese sources, for about half the price. I think that all the US based merchants do is bulk buy the same optical encoders out of China, with their own logos - and a healthy markup - applied. I recently purchased a 'do everything' Chinese head unit which included all of the adapters you mentioned, except for the optical encoder. The encoder cost $90 USD extra; the total cost for everything came in around $400 USD. That included a state of the art head unit with cosmetics designed to fit into your Mercedes interior, and the optical encoder necessary to allow the head unit to communicate with your HK amp. Here's a link to the one I bought:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Atc...id-8-0-Octa-Core-Car-DVD-Player-GPS-for-Mercedes-Benz-CLS-W219/32852982059.html

Shipping time was 3 days. She literally packed the unit on a Friday afternoon, called DHL, and it was physically in my hands, in Canada, Monday noon. Faster than Amazon. I strongly recommend this retailer; she has really gone out of her way to answer all my questions, and she has the lowest price (for an identical product) that I could find. I don't have any arrangement with her; she just treated me really well, and I like to recommend people who have treated me well.

I'm assuming that you have a W211 chassis, and that the unit looks like your existing comand unit. If not, she has similar units that will fit other MB vehicles. If you send her a picture of your dash, she'll identify the right unit for you.

Another user has purchased a dongle to allow him to use Apple Car Play through this unit, and he reports that it worked like a charm. You'll find his post on this in the last 10 - 20 posts on this thread.

You mentioned that for a number of reasons, you don't want to purchase an Xtrons or similar unit. The optical encoder you mentioned is also available as a stand alone unit out of China for about $90 or $100 USD, and will work with a standard double DIN head unit from panasonic, Sony, et al. You will then need to purchase one of the trim kits you identified and wiring harnesses to fit the unit you've selected. One of the reasons I'm so happy with my unit is that it came with the trim kits already installed; it is literally a 'slide it in' installation. And the buttons all match the existing Mercedes style, so it doesn't look aftermarket at all.

Something that you should be aware of, is that the optical encoder will ONLY work on the front two audio channels. This is true of all of them, including the spiral audio kit you identified. The reason is that the fiber optic network - at least the way Mercedes implemented it - will only handle the datastream from two channels. I THINK what Mercedes does is shoehorn some control codes into the datastream, to tell the amplifier in the trunk what to do with the front channel data when it sends it through the rear channels. (You may be aware that in all car stereo units, including Pioneer, Sony et al, the rear two channels are carbon copies of the front two channels. They are not true 4 channel 'quadraphonic' stereo units.)

What this thread starter did was feed the front two channels through the optical encoder; and the rear two channels (and subwoofer channel) he ran to the back of the car using RCA extension cables, plugged them into an amp, and used that to power speakers he installed on the back deck of his Benz. Neither he nor I have the HK audio system, just the stock COMAND unit that MB gave everyone. You may wind up wiring your system a bit differently, simply because you have more, and different, speakers. If you wire it through an optical encoder using just the two front channels, you will have sound at all speakers; you just won't be able to fade from front to back.

So, that's about everything I know. If you have more questions, feel free to post them here, and I'll answer to the best of my ability. Hope all this helped!

Keep rockin' - Charlie
 
Charlie,
Thank you! You've convinced me to get the unit from AliExpress, especially the point about it not looking aftermarket and a slide-in installation.

I was considering getting the unit from avinusa, but it appears to be the same exact unit for less money.

My W211 has the HK audio system, and Nav. I'll need the MOST fiber optic adapter, I'm not really concerned about the front/rear fade, I've never used that in any car. But I will need the carplay dongle, and possibly the GPS antenna adapter. I'll need to find those on AliExpress's site.

Thanks again!!

Vin
 
Hi,

I don't know about E Class Antennas, but if this is anything like the install into my S Class then why do you want to use probably inferior Chinese Antennas or adaptors ??
The Car should, if like my S Class, have Amplified OEM Mercedes Aerials, my C Class has these and will be the next of my Cars to get Android Erisin ;)

All I did was change the connectors on the Coax's, because I'm anal like that, so I bought the Crimping Pliers and a packet of SMA's for less than ÂŁ20, that took care of the Diversity pair to DVB TV box, and a discreet internal Phone Booster Antenna which is going in my Centre Console where my Phone lives, instead of the old Bluetooth Puck / Cradle, also SMA on the GPS Antenna. The only one I haven't sorted yet is the DAB Radio, my Car has the Antenna in the Rear Screen, just needs a Coax running from Antenna Amp when I do all the other wiring under the floor to the Headrest Screens.

I could have just got adaptor plugs, but that way you lose a little signal, and also no one was sure exactly what the MB Plugs are :wink

Cheers Dave
 
Hi,

I don't know about E Class Antennas, but if this is anything like the install into my S Class then why do you want to use probably inferior Chinese Antennas ??
The Car should, if like my S Class, have Amplified OEM Mercedes Aerials, my C Class has these and will be the next of my Cars to get Android Erisin ;)

All I did was change the connectors on the Coax's, because I'm anal like that, so I bought the Crimping Pliers and a packet of SMA's for less than ÂŁ20, that took care of the Diversity pair to DVB TV box, and a discreet internal Phone Booster Antenna which is going in my Centre Console where my Phone lives, instead of the old Bluetooth Puck / Cradle, also SMA on the GPS Antenna. The only one I haven't sorted yet is the DAB Radio, my Car has the Antenna in the Rear Screen, just needs a Coax running from Antenna Amp when I do all the other wiring under the floor to the Headrest Screens.

I could have just got adaptor plugs, but that way you lose a little signal, and also no one was sure exactly what the MB Plugs are :wink

Cheers Dave
I don't want to change antennas at all, I'd much rather use adapters to the existing ones.

In all likelihood I won't even use the factory GPS as I use my phone for all such functions. But, I'd want to be connected to the factory GPS antenna just in case I can't use my phone. And I very rarely if ever, listen to OTA radio. Also a non-issue for any TV application.
 
Hi,

Yeah, I realised that and edited my post but you had already replied ;)

If you can get the Crimp tool you would be better fitting an SMA Male to your Cars GPS Coax though :wink

Cheers Dave
 
A BIG Thanks Charlie,

Well that was easy :grin

MB Logo now comes up instead of "ERISIN" on boot, H/U is also on the internet now :) see Pics, (apologies for poor quality), too much light and reflections outside, too little inside, and if I use my Canon SLR the pix are great but too big for the forum ;)

The Boot Screen is actually Black IRL, and the MB Star Logo kinda twinkles :grin

I'm gonna be AWOL for a while now, as we are away next week, and I'm now waiting on some SMA Connectors and a Crimping tool, so I can use the Amplified MB Shark Fin for GPS and Cell Phone ...............

GPS is OK on the Antenna supplied, but I feel it will improve with the MB OEM, same with Cellphone :grin

Cheers Dave

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Fantastic, Dave! Those pix look great - I'm glad I could help. My sister has purchased some kind of ultra expensive dog, which means she needs a fence in her back yard RIGHT NOW, which means that I'm draggin' my butt around getting it done. No complaints; I volunteered, and I understand that she has to pick up the lucky mutt RSN, and it all has to happen. But I've had to put my install on the back burner. I want to flash to the better ROM, and get it all wired up. I do have the backup camera installed, and wiring done, and fully functional (at least, in the trunk).

My God, am I ever out of shape. I feel like I've walked a thousand miles. It's only about 35 feet of fence and a gate - in my youth, I'd knock that out on a coffee break. (Okay. Slight exaggeration.) Now... well, tomorrow should be the last day. Ohh... nelly. Thank God I have help - another guy, who bounces around like a basketball player on springs. He's only 13 years older than me.

Boy, am I ever out of shape.

:eek

>Charlie
 
Charlie,
Thank you! You've convinced me to get the unit from AliExpress, especially the point about it not looking aftermarket and a slide-in installation.

I was considering getting the unit from avinusa, but it appears to be the same exact unit for less money.

My W211 has the HK audio system, and Nav. I'll need the MOST fiber optic adapter, I'm not really concerned about the front/rear fade, I've never used that in any car. But I will need the carplay dongle, and possibly the GPS antenna adapter. I'll need to find those on AliExpress's site.

Thanks again!!

Vin
Hey, VinnySem! I'm glad you found that helpful. Keep me posted on your purchase and install - I'll lend a hand, as will others on the forum. I think you've made a really good choice. Did you buy the unit in the link I provided? I ask because a lot of AliExpress stores feature the same unit face plate - it looks the same from the outside - but have inferior electronics. The way to tell, is to look at pictures of the back of the unit. If the plugs are all in the same place, and the heat sink is molded in the same pattern, it's likely the same board running the unit.

Keep rockin'! >Charlie
 
Hi Charlie,

LOL, I know what you mean by outta shape, I had to Pull a Gearbox from a Sprinter Van Yesterday and fit a Rear Main Seal, and because it is too high to fit under my workshop doors I had to do it outside on 2 "Drive Up" Ramps, and manually lift the Trans in and out :frown

Boy was there a lot of struggling and cussing :grin
It was at that point I remembered I'm not 21 any more, in fact I'm only 3.5 years away from 60 :laugh

My Reverse Camera will be fitted soon, and working in the Trunk for a while as I won't be final fixing it until the Paintwork is all done, mine is going in the Centre of the Rear Bumper, stealth look ;)

Cheers Dave
 
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Hey, VinnySem! I'm glad you found that helpful. Keep me posted on your purchase and install - I'll lend a hand, as will others on the forum. I think you've made a really good choice. Did you buy the unit in the link I provided? I ask because a lot of AliExpress stores feature the same unit face plate - it looks the same from the outside - but have inferior electronics. The way to tell, is to look at pictures of the back of the unit. If the plugs are all in the same place, and the heat sink is molded in the same pattern, it's likely the same board running the unit.

Keep rockin'! >Charlie
Hey Charlie!
I haven't bought it yet. For now, I'm connecting via the AUX interface to my phone. There are some other improvements that I want to make to the car that are more important than the radio. But yes I will most likely buy the exact unit you linked me. Would you have a link to the CarPlay adapter? I looked for it on AliExpress but couldn't find it.

Also, which steering wheel controls are retained?
 
Here are all the parts I bought for my system I plan on installing next week! :)
Some of these items take 3 to 5 weeks to show up coming from China. If you can wait, it's worth it. Like the birdie says... cheap-cheap-cheap!

1. CarPlay adapter eBay 57.08 Working great in my Atcfgehy HU.
2. DVR cam 720P eBay 15.99
3. Backup cam eBay 10.55
4. Antenna Fakra C female to Fakra M 6M eBay 13.23
5. MOST FOB01 W211 eBay 79.99
6. GPS Fakra C Male to SMA Male eBay 9.28
7. FlushMount USB jack eBay 9.75
8. 20ft 3.5mm Male to Female White eBay 10.39
9. BOSS ISOLATOR - AMAZONhttp://"]Amazon[/URL] 7.13 - (May not need this but good toa have to kill engine noise if it arises.)
10. Fakra to 3.5mm for Bluetooth eBay
 
Hi,

On the S Class, my Steering Wheel still does Call / Hangup, Track / Radio Station Changes, and Volume + / -
No info on Dash Cluster, but that's not a big deal, and I may still get that working as there is a million ways to Version Code an S Class Dash, and some guys claim they get Track and Radio Info :rolleyes:

Also, whilst on the subject of SDS Coding, the S Classes COMAND keeps looking for all the bits you have removed via CAN Bus, and thus keeps the Car awake, causing Battery Drain ...................
I'm not sure, but it is possible that E Class will also do this, the way to cure it is to go through all your EIS, Dash etc and Code the COMAND stuff to "Not Present" :wink

If you have a local "Aerial Guy" he should be able to do the Coax's for you for a few beers, and he will have the Connectors, but where I live in a remote area we only have an "Aerial Dick Head" who wanted to charge me ÂŁ100 for a "call out" ++++.

So I bought the Gear myself, now I can do them for Customers.
Note that you need to carefully solder the centre pin on SMA's and others ;)

I am yet to find and do the DAB Radio one, but that is a different Connector and needs a cable from my Antenna Amp to DAB Box, so I will probably just buy an 8M Dab Extension Cable ;)

SMA Male will do the GPS at Android H/U, also DVB TV Box and Mobile Phone Repeater Antenna for inside Car, your existing Bluetooth Puck fitting in the Centre console should have the Coax, if you don't have that, the Signal comes from Shark Fin, so you can T into GPS Coax ;)

Crimping Pliers for different sizes / types of connectors :-

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WZ-CRIMP-01-Crim...BNC-TNC-SMA/173333506620?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

SMA Male Connectors :-

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10pcs-Connector-...RG316-LMR100-cable-straight/112136061484?hash=item1a1bd4822c:g:aA8AAOSw4shX2POu

HTH,

Cheers Dave

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Hi Charlie,

LOL, I know what you mean by outta shape, I had to Pull a Gearbox from a Sprinter Van Yesterday and fit a Rear Main Seal, and because it is too high to fit under my workshop doors I had to do it outside on 2 "Drive Up" Ramps, and manually lift the Trans in and out :frown

Boy was there a lot of struggling and cussing :grin
It was at that point I remembered I'm not 21 any more, in fact I'm only 3.5 years away from 60 :laugh
Yeah... we're all getting old. I remember wedging hooker headers into the engine bay of a 1976 Mustang II, in 40 below zero weather. I musta bin nuts. In a few months I'll be saying hello to my 63rd birthday... now, forget the hooker headers; I consider mowing my lawn to be a major achievement. :smile

The fence is officially finished, and I have a day to myself. Perhaps I'll renew my efforts into running the cables from the trunk to the dash. That seems to be the immediate practical obstacle.

Re crimping pliers: there have to be a million different kinds of crimpers out there. I bought a set out of China which came with 4 different jaw inserts... and I could not identify a single one of them. No idea what they're supposed to crimp. Certainly not the standard crimp connects we have in Canada.

Re installing the backup camera - a guy on another board came up with a great idea for pulling power for the camera; he tapped into the actual backup light unit. There's a ground plug that fits a standard crimp connect socket, so that's pretty straight forward. For the +12V he drilled a small hole for a bolt in the (very large) trace, and attached a wire to that. It's a much cleaner way of pulling power than trying to tap into the wiring harness. And if a future owner wants to convert it to stock, all he has to do is replace the tail light assembly; much easier than replacing the harness.

VinnySem, I haven't got my system installed yet, so I can't speak from first hand experience. But the thread starter has done a couple of youtube videos in which he demonstrates that everything - including the dashboard display - works exactly the same as the stock Comand unit. This is on an E class, so quite different from Daves S class.

And you probably saw expbaby's list of equipment he purchased, including the apple car play dongle. He reports that it works great with the unit I purchased - we both bought the same unit, but he has been much more productive in actually getting it installed. The Apple Car Play dongle is about $55 USD. Here's expbabys link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/401481610700

Expbaby, you continue to amaze - and inspire - me. I will follow in your footsteps. If only my muscles didn't ache from building the fence, and if only my recliner weren't so comfortable.

And now, I shall bid you all adieu - a very lethargic and comfortable Charlie
 
HI, Im just about to start the same ind of project a similar project but not seen item 10 you ordered, is that to use the built in mic for hands free? If so where does it connect to? I have 2 aerials on the back of my old unit, yellow and black. do you know what they are?

cheers
 
HI, Im just about to start the same ind of project a similar project but not seen item 10 you ordered, is that to use the built in mic for hands free? If so where does it connect to? I have 2 aerials on the back of my old unit, yellow and black. do you know what they are?

cheers
Hey, MrCurley - I'm not sure what function the #10 entry would serve, but I suspect it is unique to that specific installation. The head unit that I purchased - this one...

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Atc...id-8-0-Octa-Core-Car-DVD-Player-GPS-for-Mercedes-Benz-CLS-W219/32852982059.html

...has a microphone built into the faceplate of the unit, and those who have used it state that it is excellent. The unit also has provision for an auxiliary microphone, by means of a short adapter cable that plugs into the back of the unit. It will work with any microphone equipped with a standard 3.5mm plug.

I suspect that the antenna cables you mentioned are intended for the AM/FM tuner and the GPS receiver. I'm not sure on that, but perhaps others on the forum can shed more light.

And, sadly, it appears that the unit I purchased is no longer on sale, and has reverted to its original price... almost $200 CAD higher than I paid. But sales occur regularly, so it pays to watch the site, and check prices.

Hope that helps!

Peace, all - Charlie
 
Hi,

MB's use some weird and wonderful connectors including the FAKRA connectors, but they vary from model to model, and also what is or is not present behind the Dash is 'exact model spec' dependent ;)

Charlie may be correct, 3.5mm Jack could be for Mic, and I expect those connectors may be for aerials, but one could be the mic :dunno:

What I would recommend is that you invest 10 - 20 on a set of MB WIS / EPC Discs, then you can study the proper Wiring Diagrams for your Chassis Number and get a good understanding of exactly what wiring goes where.

I found it very useful, and pretty much knew exactly what I would connect and where to find the MB Wiring before I even took the COMAND out of the S Class's Dash :wink

FWIW, parked in my Workshop with Engine running, the H/U's mic sounded good Car Phoning my House Phone according to my other half, but I get a feeling when you are travelling at speed, road noise etc, the roof mounted Mic which is fitted to most MB's would be better.

Because i don't like "Adaptors", (signal losses, gradual connection degradation etc etc), I will be soldering a 3.5mm Jack onto the end of the S Class's Mic Cable when I get around to finding it, but sadly my project car is once again relegated as I'm busy with Customer work right now, and off South for the Funeral from 15th to 22nd, then a ton of ABC work on a customers V12 CL when I get back, Valve Block Rebuilds and Rear Subframe out for 3 new Pipes and an Accumulator :frown

Cheers Dave
 
#10 is to connect the internal Microphone that resides in the rear view mirror. Need the 20ft 3.5mm cable plus the fakra adapter cable that's plugged into the mic line, it's near the original amp in the back from what I've read. Haven't installed anything yet, so could be a different cable in my car, but I got it just in case. Will probably snip the internal mic RED wire on the HU because I only want 1 mic working... unless someone knows how to disable it via software????

Getting my car on Wednesday and will be installing on Thurs or Friday I hope.
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