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280SE 1978 - Wrong Engine Oil Used 5/10W40 VS 15/20W40 VS 15/20W50

6.6K views 14 replies 3 participants last post by  FUNkleBENZ  
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Hello Benz world,

Today i found out that my 280SE has the wrong engine oil in it and I also noticed that the oil level on the dipstick was non existent..
The previous owner told me today that 5w40 was used and it shouldn't have been but he wasn't driving it much so he decided to leave it be.
I've driven the car maybe 100KM since buying it with the oil in it - probably should've changed the oil - I know!

Today I decided to check the engine oil and there literally was none showing on the dipstick.
All I could see is a 1mm dot at the very edge of the dipstick which has got me worried.
The engine was cold and the car hasn't been driven since yesterday.
I am assuming that is not the right way to check oil level? Should the engine be up to temp and then shut off before I check oil level?

Anyways, I did some research and found that 20w40 / 20w50 are the recommended oils as per Mercedes.
I have a 87 420sel and a 87 560sec and both have 5w40 full synthetic. They don't get driven in winter (Toronto, Canada).
Should I switch them to a heavier oil as well?

What oil should I use for the 280SE? Its a German import (not sure if that matters). I am going off what I find on google and just want to be sure before I change the oil / filter.

PS I am in Canada and the parts store here don't carry 15W40 / 15W50 so I am going with 20W unless you guys think I shouldn't.
Here's what's available in Canada - I also checked what FCP Euro recommends and its not the same as what I see in the manual...

The oil in there now is dark and I'm assuming has burned due to being the wrong kind? The inside of the engine bay is very clean and I'd like to keep it that way.

Thank you all for your continued help!

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I was skeptical when i saw that it’s diesel oil. A few others recommended a Mobil 1 commercial diesel oil but I feel I rather not make that switch now not knowing what the car has been running on all these years. Is the Castrol GTX a safe bet? It’s rated as
  • API SN, GF-5
Should I do an engine flush prior to oil change? What can I use for engine flush / injector flush / fuel system flush that’s safe for these cars?
Thanks all
 
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I was skeptical when i saw that it’s diesel oil. A few others recommended a Mobil 1 commercial diesel oil but I feel I rather not make that switch now not knowing what the car has been running on all these years. Is the Castrol GTX a safe bet? It’s rated as
  • API SN, GF-5
Should I do an engine flush prior to oil change? What can I use for engine flush / injector flush / fuel system flush that’s safe for these cars?
Thanks all
Castrol GTX is excellent. Used it for years in 20w-50 in my 67 230SL, but recently switched to Valvoline VR1 Racing oil that has Zinc for solid lifters (like the m110 engine has). But I live in year-round HOT Florida where I never start my roadster below 20 deg.Celsius and typically drive in 30-35deg.+ Cel. If you can get Castrol GTX in 15W-40.... Bingo!

However, If I lived in a Northern climate like Canada, IMHO 20W-50 is too thick for starts at 10 deg. Cel. or below as it won't flow as quickly during the most critical first seconds after startup. Having the correct weight is perhaps more important than which 'brand' of oil. Whether it say's diesel or not, look at the gasoline rating on the oil; if it's Service rating is SL, SM or SN it's better lubrication than what was available 40 years ago. -JMO

Having driven several Mercedes well past 500,000km without any major engine work; I agree with ianrandom that frequent changes with good quality filter is best medicine for motor health.
 
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I like to flush with engine flush by Wurth or Millers. Nothing too harsh.

Another thing I did with my W126 was do a few repeat oil changes with cheap oil, only a couple hundred miles between them. Then genuine filter and classic friendly oil with ZDDP in it to an appropriate amount.

I've heard that Shell Rotella thing too. I wouldn't hesitate to use a diesel oil if it was me.

Wurth also do a good injection system cleaner. I started using them because the cleaner sold by MB is made by Wurth.
There's loads on the market though, over the pond I often see reference to Techron and things like Seafoam. Endless opinions out there on all this though, so if you research it, allow plenty of time 😁
 
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I forgot to ask if your 280SE has a catalytic converter(s)? If so equipped, that's a consideration for NOT using high ZDDP oils recommended for older 'classic' cars with tappets and solid lifters. The zinc/phosphorous zddp additives can shorten the life of cats.

However, there are still some ways to get 15W-40 oil, with additives for solid lifters, that meet high SM or SN Service requirements for gasoline engines. Like Shell Rotella T6.

Here's a good summary from Wikipedia regarding Shell Rotella offerings:
 
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My car is a German import and I am not sure if it has CATS or not but I do think that it does. See images.
I just want to get a oil that's good all year round in case I decide to take it out in near 0 temps which I likely will not unless the weather is sunny and tempting as it can be sometimes in december. From all the reading I have done, it sounds like 10W40 or 15W40 are the way to go for Canadian weather.

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Well....If you can't find a 15-40 full syn with high Service Rating (SM or SN) for gasoline engines that is suitable for cats (I believe the newest Rotella T-6 would do it if you could find it in 15W-40); I think this one would work for you..... LIQUI MOLY MOS2 ANTIFRICTION SAE 10W-40 1 L | Walmart Canada

In fact it might be fine in your other 1980's Benz's as well. It has the temperature viscosity range to handle both cold and warm Canadian weather, and it has the anti-friction additive MOS2. It's not full-synthetic, but perhaps a better transition if the car has had only conventional oil, and it's more affordable for flushing it frequently. I think it's also available in semi-syn or full-syn but I didn't see it at Walmart. My 2cents. :cool:Just do it!

P.S. The Semi-Syn version IS available from FCP
 
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Thank you all for the replies. I have gone with the 10W40 Liqui Moly. Wondering if I should switch both my W126s 87 420/560 over to this oil as well? Currently they are running on 5W40 full synthetic
 
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The version I got was dark gray oil. The guy changing it was quite shocked because he’s been doing this 20+ years and never seen new oil look like that! How are you supposed to know when the oil has aged.. will it go from gray to black?
 
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Yeah....Lubri-Moly comes with additives that are grey-ish. But they do an excellent job of lubricating.
I'm used to diesel engines where even fresh oil turns dark after the first few kilometers.
Just keep track of mileage to determine when it's oil change time. But if the color bothers you....guess you'll have to go with a different brand.