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1972 SL 107,SL450 DJET TO MEGASQUIRT CONVERSION M117 ENGINE SQUIRT & SPARK, PERTRONIX

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1972 SL 107,SL450 DJET TO MEGASQUIRT CONVERSION M117 ENGINE SQUIRT & SPARK, PERTRONIX

Dear Forum members i have finally bit the bullet and decided to convert my 1972 SL 450 running old tired Bosch D-JET to modern sexy Megasquirt. :angel

Reason i am sharing this is to give back something to the community and in the process learn something my self.
Had it not been for the exisitng post on the internet i dont think this conversion would have been possible. Special thanks goes to all those posted and always help others out you know who you are :) and Richard Oleson, who also converted his 1974 Djet to MS his conversion can be viewed here https://www.flickr.com/photos/rick_oleson/albums/72157650166253696/with/22854768445/

Lets go in to why i decided to go down the route of megasquirt and what is megasquirt.
Megasquirt is a electronic fuel injection management computer. It collects data off sensors like TPS lambda MPS and based on set of rules injects correct amount of fuel so the combustion in the engine is at its optimum that in turn makes the car purr like a tiger... :D. So i know there is a camp of people who say that back in the days it used to be built to last, well that maybe the case with furniture , but anything electronic was always reliant on semi mechanical input and this is where D-JET suffers a lot, The Distributor points , TPS and MPS all have common issue they deteriorate with use due to physical contact. Further more D-JET is slow and has no feedback on exactly what the engine is up to apart from MPS. So it is preset to do one thing and can not adapt to different condition as well as MS could.
With megasquirt we can illuminate points cold start vale and much more and have a old engine being manage with new ECU.

So the plan is

Completely take out old D-JET and its components.

Instead i am going to use a

Megasquirt 2
Bosch TPS sensor
Bosch EV1 High impedance injectors
Innovate wideband 02 sensor
New wiring harness

As it stands i converted the Distributor points to Pertronix ignitor and flamethrower. This is going to help me a lot as MS needs a trigger i.e it needs some kind of feedback of engine rpm, since the Pertronix uses a hall effect sensor we can feed this data to MS ecu. Since i have a v8, every 8 pulses generated by pertronix ignitor are going to let our ecu know that engine done 1 revelation. On top of that i can use my Pertronix system to also control ignition spark timing advance with help of MS ecu.
The timing is going to be controlled in the following way i am going to lock out the vacuum advance set the timing with timing gun to 8-10 BTDC(before top dead center) and make sure that MS ecu knows that my current timing is 8-10 BTDC for example from there using a squirt and spark table and some cleaver algorithm the MS ecu will fire the flamethrower when ever it needs to i.e it can delay it slightly or advance it slightly.

So far i figured out a way to install my EV1 injectors on the existing D-Jet manifold which i am super pleased about as this one of the most worrying aspects of the whole conversion. Essentially after carefully examining this injectors i released that i could get rid of the plastic mould that sits on top the inejctors exposing the metal shaft . This meant that i could get away from using any adapters and directly hooking up my new injectors to the fuel rail yey!

This is work in progress and i am only just getting started, more updates to follow plus lots and lots of pictures
 
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So in this pictures we can see my v8 engine.
Wideband 02 sensor
Passanger side behind dash compartment where original ecu used to sit
D-JEt ecu
Me pointing to Dash sensor
Ev1 inejctors along with FPR
 

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In the follwing pics
we can see EV1 inejctor replacing the existing Djet bosch 1
Comaprison old new before after
How i managed to get the metal shaft exposed
Birdseye view of the engine ;)
More injectors
 

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Ok question for those in the know.
Which wire on D-JET is responsible for activating fuel pump relay? How is fuel pump relay activated at all? I have read that its works of the disrbutor spark i.e if the engine is turning the pump relay is operational if engine stops the relay stops is it controlled by D-JET ecu or is run of something else?
Many thanks in advance
 
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Quick reply to my own question its pin 19 on the ecu which looks to be negative terminal that activates the fuel pump relay according to this drawing and it goes from ecu through adapter that plugs in to engines main wiring harness.
The way it works is the main relay gets energised by turning the ign key, this in turn energises one half of the realy coil with postive charge (+) then in turn ECU turn the relay by sending the (-) to pull the relay in through pin 19.
 

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For those who want ms ecu, but can't be bothered to mess around with components it is possible to splice the ms ecu directly in to Djets wiring, the only thing that would need to be changed is the TPS. Rest is just using the correct settings.

I forgot to menton i will be using my original PTC temperature sensors not necuase i am cheap, but because they a uniqe thread and i do not want to be messing around welding new thread on ect plus Richard has said he had great results with original once so i will stick with original Air temp sensor and Engine temp sensor .
The only thing that will be required of me is to change the resistance values on MS ecu to match those of original MB Bosch resistance values.
I will be using the follwoing values when i get to it credit to Richard
 

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Pavel's installation is INFINITELY more sophisticated than mine was - All I'm doing is using MS for the fuel injection, I left the original DJet injectors and fuel pump control system in place. But this looks like an appropriate place to post it, so for anyone who's interested, here are notes from my 2015 installation in a 1974 450SL: http://rick_oleson.tripod.com/YourMileageMayVary.pdf

The notes are not as complete as they ought to be, but maybe better than nothing to get a start.

rick : ) =
 
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Pavel's installation is way beyond mine - All I'm using MegaSquirt for is the fuel injection, with the original injectors and keeping the D-Jet ECU in place for whatever else it might be doing (like controlling the fuel pump). My notes aren't as complete as they ought to be, but for whatever they're worth they're at

http://rick_oleson.tripod.com/YourMileageMayVary.pdf

I'm happy to answer any questions, if I can......

rick
 
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I am of the school that even on a 45 yr old car, the Djet can work fine and at least is still standard. Nevertheless, parts do fail and good used parts are getting harder to find and expensive.

I am impressed with the knowledge and skill that those who have done the conversions have. Not for everyone, but great "hobby" for those with such knowledge and inclination.

One question - How does MS handle warm up mixture control? Does it still rely on the thermostatic AAV? That is one of parts on both D&K jets that seems to require attention and is expensive to replace.
 
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Yeah, me too, and it worked up until 2014; but a D-Jet MAP sensor cost $1250 and all of the D-Jet mechanics were retired or dead. I didn't volunteer for the MegaSquirt project by any means, I just liked the 450SL and wanted to keep it on the road without losing my house over the cost.

MS has its own control for warm up mixture control, with the enrichment adjustable using a laptop PC.

rick
 
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MS has its own control for warm up mixture control, with the enrichment adjustable using a laptop PC.

rick
Rick, Do you remove the AAV? Does MS open the throttle to get more air for cold start? Looks like AAV is still there in link from post #1 :confused:

As you can tell, I know little about how MS works.
 
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I have not removed or disabled the AAV in my car. The MS computer has been tuned with that in place and they seem to work together OK. If that were removed, I expect that the MS computer could be tuned to work just as well without it; it's very flexible. My focus was on changing as little as possible (and spending as little as possible, both in time and money) to get the car running properly and back onto the road. Other folks use MS to completely transform the engine, using the MS computer to control the fuel pump, ignition timing and all aspects of EFI control.... I was just looking for a way to get back to DJet performance, so I have the original distributor and as much as possible of the original controls still in place. I did pull the plug off of the 9th injector that feeds fuel while the starter cranks, as that is no longer necessary.
 
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Thank you both for sharing your megasquirt knowledge I have been pondering the same thing. Although my d-jet is purring at the moment I have a crispy engine wire harness that I am sure is not long for this world. My options as I see it are purchase a new harness?, build a new one or go megasquirt. I will be following this thread!

Don
 
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Several us have rebuilt our harnesses or had Brad do it. They are no longer available from MB and the way Brad repairs them is arguably better than the originals.

Recently from Classic forum, example of Brads expertise:

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/vin...rg/forums/vintage-mercedes-benz/2770657-resurrection-brutus-3.html#post15718793
followed by posts 30,32,33,34.

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/r-c107-sl-slc-class/1705881-d-jet-engine-harness.html

and my effort (with Brad's help):

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/r-c107-sl-slc-class/2523625-winter-spring-djet-project.html
 
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As i post i will try to be as specific as possible. With Megasquirt you can pruchase extended wiring harness and all one will need to do is just connect the sensors up . The best thing with megasquirt is

You get rid of the distributor points
Original MPS, Gone (MS comes with built in MPS)
Replace TPS with new style TPS which is in effect a potentiometer (just fabricate a bracket so easy peasy like Rick did, or you could even reuse original Djet TPS remove all plastic and just use the orginal metal plate as your bracket)
Thats it everything else is the same, run wiring and JD(job done ;)

I have ordered few bits and will be back in the unit this weekend to do some more magic and take pics for me to share.
 
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That's funny I was wondering if someone made a low profile spread bore manifold that fit the 4.5 at one point. The megasquirt intrigues me, I am not put off with programming so much and being able to use components that are readily available I think would be a big bonus. Thanks for the links on the harness MBGraham I should see Droidster at the LAgtc and will talk to him more about it. I think my harness would fall to pieces like that if I removed? it but a harness rebuild is most likely the easiest thing for me at this point.
 
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This is going to be a quick update.
I installed the Bosch ev1 injectors. Was a lot more simpler then i thought . Please see pictures. In fact i am quiet glad i bit the bullet to install the injectors as the original inecjtors where looking super rusty and sorry for them selfs. One thing that would like to point out if you ever get to mess around with the injectors please for chickens sake change the inector to engine seals, they are inexpensive. My old 40 year old seals where perished and tired. see pics
Also with help of UWE auto mechanical department built my self a TPS bracket ! The guy did an amazing job i am really chuffed with it.
I haven't really done much else . They people who i bought MS kit had sent me shorter then order cabling and i was stuck wasting my weekend unable to complete the wiring of the ecu harness.
I am hoping it will turn up sometime this week and i get it all installed this weekend.
 

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Nice, excellent work! Keep us posted as you go along so we can copy!

Check your throttle body on your intake manifold - my adapter had the wiring connector coming off horizontally and on installation I discovered that the connector was aimed straight into the side of a manifold runner. I had to rework it a bit to make the wiring come out at an upward angle to clear the manifold.

I've never even removed my injectors and looked at them, I ought to do that......

rick
 
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Yes Rick you are right, manage to bolt the throttle body on and although the tps did clear the side of the manifold runner, the connector did not. All i had to do is slightly shave off a little bit of it, not enough to compromise its strength. But it sits ok. Next time i am in i will snap couple of pics.:nerd
 
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I was under impression i already did. But clearly not
Injectors are bosch 0280150943 FOTE - D5A with the following flow rates
Lbs/hr - 18.5
Cc/min 191.8
Grams 138
Psi - 43.5
Bar - 3

You can use most ev1 injectors from ford f150 or mustang range as this have copies of m117 engine.
They require minum mods as can be seen and slot right in. To convert from old to new is 3hr job including grinding off the plastic bits of new ev1 inj.
 
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Time for an update i am glad to report that after much set backs i managed to build a brand new wiring harness for MS ecu. Wire it all in and connect it and get the car started.
So lets start with wiring harness.
As mentioned i deciced to make a new for this all i did is ligned up all Djet wiring harness as referance purchased all nessary plugs and did 1:1 replica of Djet allowing 3to5 cm extra just in case.
There is a 6 pin MB plug that goes in to main wiring harness of my car. The way i wire it all up is
Black wire is power supply for MS ecu
Brown with white line fuel pump output
Green/white wire is for Tach input that connects to engine its a single pin plug
(ignore all the rest they are for cold start valve which we no longer need)
 

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Here is how the throttle body looks like with new tps. Like Rick pointed out its tighter then ants arse in there so factor that in when doing your install.
In order for it to with i had to remove metal clip that holds the tps connector i will have to think of some other kind of retaining clip instead.
 

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Since i installed high impedance injectors i did not need to touch any settings concerning injectors apport from setting engine size/ flow rates ect. Pretty straight forward really.
For injectors i had to build a relay that gets activated with fuel pump relay, so i wired it in to that borwn/white cable i talked about so to complete circuit. This is done so that + positive is present only when engine is running as MS fires the injectors by grounding them hope that makes sense
 

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