the 1.8 is indeed Fuel Injected.
any 190E is Fuel Injected, it's only the earlier '190' that isn't.
that's what the 'E' in '190E' indicates...

i have no tech specs i'm afraid, but i can tell you that the M102 1.8s and 2.0s are fantastically reliable, and much quieter than your twincam-equipped 2.3-16.
to have both would be quite lovely...

 

Apparently the early European 190Es had a 2.0L carbureted engine..this according to this website: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/190E
cheers

 

Apparently the early European 190Es had a 2.0L carbureted engine..this according to this website: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/190E
cheers

the early european 190 had a 2.0 litre carb engine.
when Fuel Injection was introduced, the model designation was amended to 190E. please trust me on this.
if there's an E on the trunklid, there are injectors under the hood.
Wikipedia is a user-edited resource, not an undisputed factual document.

 

the early european 190 had a 2.0 litre carb engine.
when Fuel Injection was introduced, the model designation was amended to 190E. please trust me on this.
if there's an E on the trunklid, there are injectors under the hood.
Wikipedia is a user-edited resource, not an undisputed factual document.

Correct! there were two kinds of carburated 190s:
190 with 90 HP from 1982 upto 1985
190 with 105 HP from 1985 upto 1988 - at the same time MB upgraded the brakes and rim/tyre size from 175HR14 upto 185/65HR15.

the latter used the same engine as the W124 200, but had some 2 HP less.
I remember the 200 with that engine being quite "lazy".....

 

1.8 or 2.0

Information I have is;

1.8 Bosch KE Jetronic 3.5 80kW 109 DIN hp at 5500rpm

2.0 Carb-Elec 75kW 105 DIN at 5500rpm

Hope that helps.

 

Hope this site helps: mb.braingears.com

 

Thnaks for the help.
I will check and let you know which I buy for my daily use.

 

Hi,

I have found a 190E 1.8 model 1992 in very good shape. It has got around 82000 km, two owners, blue at a very good price.
The thing is that it is a 4 speed manual gearbox, did this model in 1992 come this transmision?, is it the original one? ( I would guess it should have 5 speed as standard).
It is the very base model because it doen´t have any options.
Any help will be appreciated.




Thanks
Isaksson9

 

Hi,

I have found a 190E 1.8 model 1992 in very good shape. It has got around 82000 km, two owners, blue at a very good price.
The thing is that it is a 4 speed manual gearbox, did this model in 1992 come this transmision?, is it the original one? ( I would guess it should have 5 speed as standard).
It is the very base model because it doen´t have any options.
Any help will be appreciated.




Thanks
Isaksson9

Yes, the 1.8 is the most base model 190E you can buy/was offered. I believe 4 speed manual was offered... as well as the 5 speed. I would hold out for a 2.0 5-speed in your situation. I found a 190E 2.0 5-speed tuned by AMG in Germany and can say its a very fun car to drive. Usually 2.0's had more options ordered than a 1.8. I also think the sportline option was available for 1.8's, 2.0's and 2.3's..... along with the 16v's. good luck!

 

Hellow,

The 190E 1.8 was fuel injected indeed, and came with a 4 speed manual as standard indeed. It was also available with a 5 speed (like mine), like snibble said.

The 2.0 M102 was delivered with a carburator OR fuel injection. Minor changes between the two (smaller valves, etc.) made that the carburated version delivered 90 or later 105hp. The 190"'E'inspritzung" had 122Hp, and was available from 1983 onwards.
The two engines were standard coupled with a 4 speed manual transmission.

The 1.8 M102 delivered 109Hp, but had noticably less torque than the 2.0 'E' variant. (150Nm against 180Nm)

Like Snibble did, I too suggest you search for a 2.0 Injected M102, with a 5 speed transmission. I too have a 190E 2.0 AMG, but with a 4 speed transmission. It's fun and quick, but it could be peppier if it had an extra gear.

If you are not intressted in performance for a daily driver (since you already have a 16'er), a 1.8 ofcourse will satisfy you needs. Both engines are equally reliable. There is no noticable difference in fuel economy, if you're wondering.


good luck with your search, and whichever you choose, you can't go 'that' bad...



greetz,

matteus

 

BTW, 190Evoluzione, I really really really DIG your wheels! habba habba!!!

sry, back on topic now...

 

As a happy 190E 1.8 owner I would suggest there's no need to worry about the performance unless yu are either planning on trying to beat the local boy racers at the lights or towing a large van/trailer. Mine's fine - and that's considering my other car is a Jaguar XJS. Of course it doesn't perform like the Jag, but it isn't a massive disappointment either. The enging likes to be revved a bit to give its best - once it is warmed of course.
You can always upgrade the 'options' on your car, if you feel it needs it, via visits to local breakers yards. Converting manual sunroof and windows to electric operation is fairly straightforward once you get the hang of how the car is put together.
Fuel economy, for a car which is at least 12 years old now and cannot really be considered 'small' is pretty good. I easily manage to average 34 mpg and I'm quite an 'enthusiastic' driver.

 

Hi,

I have bought a 190E 1.8 model 1992 with 82.000km ( 51.250 miles), and pretty good shape, I will post some pictures soon.
The car feels very well, and has got no problem, it needs to have the bushings of the sway bar to be replaced.
It will now partner my 2.3-16 euro version model 1985 ( 100.000km).
Thanks to all for the valuable help.

Regards

Isaksson9

 

Got this from wikipedia:

"Production of the 190 ended on May 5, 1993. About 1.8 million were produced. It was replaced by the C-Class, with Mercedes announcing that they were stopping the process of 'over-engineering' their cars. "

 

well done Isaksson9!
low mileage cars are so nice.

pictures, pictures...

 

Nicely done...

Congrats on the buy, and I hope (I'm sure...) you'll have a great time owning this car.
It must be great indeed to own such a low mileage car.


greetz,

matteus

 

The following are some photos of my new 190E 1.8 model 1992 with my 2.3-16 Euro.
The photos are not of a very good quality, but anyhow I am posting them.
I will try a take some better photos

 

The following are some photos of my new 190E 1.8 model 1992 with my 2.3-16 Euro. The photos are not of a very good quality, but anyhow I am posting them. I will try a take some better photos

Great pair of bookends! Enjoy them and take good care of both of them as they're the last of the legendary overengineeed MBs. MB will never make anything like them again.

 

I will post some othe photos soon.

 

Congrats again, Isaksson...
It really looks like very clean car! You'll have great fun with it!


regards,


matteus

 

NICE AND PLEASANT TO DRIVE.. I OWN 2.0 L ENGINE 102.962.. VERY RARE.. WITH SUPER/SPORT ECONOMY DRIVE..

 

190E 1.8

One thing to be aware of -

On my 1.8 5-speed manual, the back-axle is geared 'lower' than the 2.0 5-speed that I had before - presumably to get a little 'snap' back

On a long freeway trip, milage is much the same, maybe a trifle less

But general commute and drving around, it's 2 or 3 mpg less on average

I'm not performance-orientated, but my 1.8 feels just a little underpowered and flustered sometimes - I'd go for a 2.0

 

I'm not performance-orientated, but my 1.8 feels just a little underpowered and flustered sometimes - I'd go for a 2.0

Agreed. The auto 1.8 suffers most from Benz's crazy "start off in second" approach - the final drive ratio is an unhappy compromise that on the one hand has the engine whirring away busily at 2900rpm at 100km/h in fourth, but decidedly sluggish from a standing start under "normal" acceleration in second. I would love to see what this car would be like with a 3.23:1 final drive (rather than 3.46:1) and the transmission set to always take off in first - it would probably have worked a whole lot better.

The manual 1.8 is a lot more flexible than the auto 1.8, but even so you get the strong impression that the gearbox ratios were selected around an engine with a lot more torque. You have to rely on revs more and be careful with your shift points. I drove a 2.0 manual and it felt "gruntier" and more flexible - if there are 2.0s in good condition in your area then I would strongly suggest holding out for a good 2.0 than a 1.8.