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Well I went out and picked up an 83 500sec (VIN: WDBCA43A9CB003332). I need a gen 1 AMG body kit. I'd rather source out of Japan rather than go the Dura-$hit. It needs a motor. What do you all think is the best route there?

I need a game plan for this car. I'd like to go gen 1 AMG with everything. What do you all think?

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Ricky
 

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Congrats and welcome to the 126 club, Ricky!

BTW it appears your VIN states your car is actually an 380SEC, rebadged as 500.

VEHICLE TYPE: Car
MODEL NAME: 380 SEC USA
ENGINE: 116963 12 016773
TRANSMISSION: 722310 02 239206
BODY: 02088
ORDER NUMBER: 0270551036
LIGHTS: BOSCH
INTERIOR COLOR: 234
PAINTS: 932



440 TEMPOMAT (CRUISE CONTROL)

461 INSTRUMENT WITH MILES IND. AND ENGLISH LEGEND

519 REAR AUDIO SYSTEM

524 PAINTWORK - PRESERVATION

531 AUTOMATIC ANTENNA

543 SUN VISOR WITH MAKE-UP MIRROR L. AND R., BE-

570 FOLDING ARMREST, FRONT

581 AUTOMATIC AIR CONDITIONER

592 ALL-ROUND WD-GREEN GLASS,HEATED REAR WINDOW-VSG

611 EXIT LIGHTS FOR DRIVER DOORS

640 15-HOLE LIGHT ALLOY RIMS

668 PACKAGING FOR SHIPPING VEHICLES WITH TIE-DOWN HOOK

802 AEJ 06/1/M/X
 

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Hey thanks for running the VIN so fast! It's a convoluted mess right now. Guy said it was "euro" (yes, I've learned that is key word for modified by anybody but Merc/AMG lol). I want to go Gen 1 route I think. What all do I need? And can it be retrofitted with a 5-speed tranny (manual). I did some quick research on ebay germany and it seems they are saying the 5-speeds from a 190e 2.6 will bolt up. Does that make any sense at all?
 

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I guess the most important questions are (while the engine work gets sourced and finished) with the body and running gear.

What shocks to use with H&R sport springs?

What wheels?

Where/how can I find the gen 1 AMG bodykit (not the wide body though!).

Anybody know of a Silberpfeil/AMG) steering wheel that's period correct?


I don't want this car to turn into a mutt like my S74 RENNtech/Lorinser did.

Ricky
 

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What is a good place to get all the wood re-finished and matching? I want all the AMG interior wood also. There is none on ebay/ebay.de right now. Just some chinese crap that won't match anything else in the car.
 

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190e gear box wont bolt up
do a search there is hours of reading re manual box swaps!
"Euro" just means a 126 thats an import to the US and not a low compression big bumper USDM car
 

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A true euro car should have...what a16 character VIN? 99% of all "euro" Mercs I see are a mess of aftermarket crap, .8% are destroyed beyond repair, and .2% are in good shape--its such a shame.

Thanks for the tip about the tranny. I will search up tomorrow (hoping I have time to do lots of reading in the near future here).

How about those Recaro seats? Were those ever used in the gen 1's?
 

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It's duraflex that's the problem. I have yet to see a car (any car) with a duraflex body kit of any kind that's not warped or cost thousands upon thousands to fit right--and only marginally right even at that point. Duraflex to me is like armor all. I wouldn't let either touch a merc of mine. Am I wrong about it?
 

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Hahah well that's true it is a want but... Well what direction do you want to see me go with the car?
 

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Thank you very, very much for the wood resto link. I saw that thread but couldn't find it in all the commotion last night. I do have a set of burl door centers coming from Germany. I figure I'll source all the wood and that outfit can re-do tue entire mess so that it will match up.
 

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How I spent money

Hahah well that's true it is a want but... Well what direction do you want to see me go with the car?
Well the US spec 380SEC for '82 ad '83 was an awful slug, it only puts out a miserable 155 hp ..

I would dump it entirely and buy a newer euro spec 500 engine or if you can find one and afford one, get a 300 hp ECE spec 560 euro. I am putting one mine real in soon!!!

The 500 engine is the best bang for the buck I think, then mate it to a good 2.65 or a 2.82 LSD for lots of low end grunt (though be careful especially in rain, they are tail happy cars and can really wash out on you if you get too frisky at low speed or starting out.. don't ask me how I know it)

Put in a first gear start module; though they are not in business now, Bergwerks made the best ones for these cars and look for a used one;

H & R or eibachs are best mated with Bilsteins, HD or comforts. In 15+ years with both of them, I have noticed no appreciable difference between them in emergency, cruising or canyon carving ability or comfort, the only difference is the amount of rebound in them and it is slight, so either would work well..


I bought a Remus box that I was lucky to find but it was very very expensive. You could look into Timevalve, Borla or Eisenmann for this car.

These cars are really meant to be long distance high speed cruisers, though, not hot rods.

They are at their best gobbling up huge amounts of macadam at a stretch.

They were engineered to cruise all day at their top speed, which for the 560 engine was 149 mph.


IF you can find any and afford them, AMG springs are good, though I have eibachs, along with AMG tri-Y headers and downpipes; I got a pair and absolutely love them.


If you are in a stazte like Michigan that allows it, run the car without cats/precats. A GREAT way to gain power.

Keep all fluids fresh, good NGK plugs, and cosmetics good.

Go for bigger 16" or 17" wheels (I like AMG Pentas) or nice W140 replica ASA wheels from tire rack, I am running 225x50x 16 for 15 years and it s just right.

(I don't care for staggered wheels).

ATE or Mercedes Benz rotors are just fine.


Top it all off with a good W126 skid plate to protect your lowered car.


And of course, buy euro headlights. Do that first.


That is how to spend your money to best effect. Fancy body kits and stereos to me are a waste of time and money though a decent sound system just needs good speakers, maybe subs and tweeters and a good amp and a $150 player and you are there.

Here's a peek at what I did (above) and what it looks like.











 

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Well it's not much to look at (yet) but here are two pix:



 
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