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I'm getting a good deal on brand new 17" x 8 J ET 38 rims (A 211 401 3602) from a W211 car with brand new Michilin tyres 245/45/17, the guy just bought the car and upgraded to AMG kit and is selling his stock wheels and tyres, from your experience guys did anyone do this, I checked the bolt sizes on both:

W211 = M14x1.5x21
W210 = M12x1.5x40 alloy wheels
W210 = M12x1.5x21 steel whels

However shorter bolts for W210 are available as well, but the bolt on the 211 is 14 mm, while on 210 is 12 mm, the dealer said the rims won't fit, but I'm not sure because for them it is not in the book that's why they say it won't, but if it is possible what do I need and where to find it?

the offer is valid for two days only.
Please I need your help as soon as possible, if any body experience this without troubles please tell me.
 

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I was just faced with the same decision as I had a good deal offered on a set of W211 rims with decent Pirelli 210 winter tires on them. I was at my mechanic's at the time, so he took one of my 210 rims off and mounted up the 211 rim. It fit no problem, but as you noted already the bolt length is different. My 210 lug bolts were too short, they wouldn't even thread into the hub so I think difference has to be more than just the 2mm. If you were prepared to buy a different set of lug bolts you should be ok.

When we mounted the tire up (on the front wheel) the wheel didn't extend out beyond the side of the car, so it appeared flush. Since we didn't have the right bolts I didn't get to turn the wheel through the full left-to-right range, so I couldn't judge clearance inside the tire well. But I can't see any reason why they wouldn't fit.
 

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what is OE size? the tire specs he posted looked pretty close for a conversion, ie
still within a point or two....
 

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OE tire size is 215 55 16, which gives you a total diameter (tire plus wheel) of 636.5mm. The tire size in question (245 45 17) has a total diameter of 645.5mm or 9mm taller. This will result in fewer revolutions require per mile, which means your speedo will read lower than you are actually traveling. In order to keep the speedometer accurate you should use a 235 45 17 which has a total diameter of 636.5mm, identical to stock.
 

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W211 uses 14mm lug bolts and W210 uses 12mm lug bolts.

There are "conversion" lug bolts available, but not from Mercedes.

In addition, wheel offset is different, i.e. not as recommended by Mercedes.
 

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raymond- said:
forum members richard/e320, raylee, and I have gone this route, ie fitted 211 rims
onto our 210. so far, after a year, I've noted no problems.

W211 wheels on W210 - ShopForum
Yes, I have used it as indicated by you and I have had no problem for many, many months. With 211 2005 rims with wider factory tire
(225-55-16) came with it so I do lose about 2 miles per gallon on high way fuel mileage. That is only negative I can point out. As we know, original tire siz was 215-55-16
 

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Hey, farsal.

I have those exact wheels on my car.

They fit perfectly with the RAD custom lug bolts.

HOWEVER, you can't use the tires. They will rub on the front when you turn (they hit the upper ball joint stud). Wanna guess how I know? :)

Max size is 235/45-17.

Another word of caution: Once you change them and lose the extra bit of sidewall, that gap over the wheels is MUCH more apparent, so get ready to do some lowering, too. :D

Take care and enjoy the ride,
Greg
 

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gregs210 said:
Hey, farsal.

I have those exact wheels on my car.

They fit perfectly with the RAD custom lug bolts.

HOWEVER, you can't use the tires. They will rub on the front when you turn (they hit the upper ball joint stud). Wanna guess how I know? :)

Max size is 235/45-17.

Another word of caution: Once you change them and lose the extra bit of sidewall, that gap over the wheels is MUCH more apparent, so get ready to do some lowering, too. :D

Take care and enjoy the ride,
Greg
Thanks alot greg for your response, however I used the tyre size calculator to figure that, W210 originally come with 215/55/16 that's equal to 643 mm in overall diameter, and 235/45/17 is exactly the same in diameter except the tyre is wider, well I already have 225/55/16 which's equal to 652 mm diameter, and equal to 245/45/17, I know they're a bit larger but still within the acceptable range the difference is 1.4% only which's equal to 9mm, still you can go upto 2.5% max. difference up/down in overall diameter, I think my problem is not the tyre size, I'm afraid of the bolt size only, and I like to go a bit wider.

my car is Avangarde which's already low (I think in USA you call it sport) I've seen the cars in USA they have what we call here (Elegance) which's a bit higher (the clearence is visible in mine is not) that's why I'm suffering from pavements in the parkings.
just go to the link below and check the wheel and tyre sizes.

TYRESAVE: Tyre Size Calculator

Appreciate you response guys you're great help

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farsal said:
Thanks alot greg for your response, however I used the tyre size calculator to figure that, W210 originally come with 215/55/16 that's equal to 643 mm in overall diameter, and 235/45/17 is exactly the same in diameter except the tyre is wider, well I already have 225/55/16 which's equal to 652 mm diameter, and equal to 245/45/17, I know they're a bit larger but still within the acceptable range the difference is 1.4% only which's equal to 9mm, still you can go upto 2.5% max. difference up/down in overall diameter, I think my problem is not the tyre size, I'm afraid of the bolt size only, and I like to go a bit wider.

Hi, Farsal.

One of the reasons we have this forum is to share our experiences so we don't have to reinvent the wheel (no pun intended).

I spent literally months researching to find the wheels and tires I wanted for my car, only to have to replace the tires in the end because I trusted the exact same calculations on which you are relying. The difference between you and I is that I didn't have the benefit of anyone's experience and advice, and while you have that benefit, you're apparently content to ignore it.

While the OD of the 245/45/17 and the 225/55/16 are the same, you can run the 225/55/16s with 211 wheels just fine on your 210. (I also know that from personal experience.)

But the extra width and mild offset change means you CANNOT run the 245/45/17 on that wheel on your 210. Whether you choose to believe me or not, it will indeed rub in the front when you turn. So either you need to drop one size on the front (back is no problem for size) or you'll need spacers on the front, which is dumb.

I was trying to save you from the headaches I went through. But if you don't want to heed knowledgeable, sound advice, charge right ahead and find out for yourself. Just don't waste my time in the future.

Take care and enjoy the ride,
Greg
 

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farsal
I am running 245/40-18s in front with rare fender rubbing - only during hard
compression at high speed. But bear in mind that the ET is 30....thereby moving
the tire away from the infamous nut.

Your calculations show you're carefully looking at the critical specs, so that's
always good. But I see that in doing so (in using the wheel calc engine) it's
absent an important factor.... lateral dimension, ie tire width.

So, try this engine and see if that changes how strongly you feel about using
a 245 on a rim with ET 38.

Wheel Offset Calculator

you're not just concerned with the TALLER tire, but that it is wider. the 1" differential....with
same offset rims (ET38 on 16" as well as ET38 on 17") means that the tire will be half inch
towards the offending nut.....as well as half inch encroaching to the fender. add to that, any
plans to lower the car and you'll be looking at some serious clearance issues.
 

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Greg,

I agree with you on the reasons we have this forum is to share our experiences so we don't have to reinvent the wheel, that's why I'm here to discuss with you guys and gain some knowledge about the tasks that I plan to do, if I was ignorant I wouldn't be here, I would just go and fix the wheels on my car without consulting anybody, or on the other hand just listen to MB dealer and forget about the deal, anyway thank you very much for your time.


Raymond,

I appreciate your help, that offset calculator is very helpful, and the pic you posted made it very clear to me.


However I'm very close from dropping the idea from my mind, I like wider tyres, but I think that I should go for an offset around (ET34) in order to keep the wheel centered in the wheel compartment.
 

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what do you think of putting 211 wheels from a E320 2004 with 225/55/16 on a 2001 E320 S
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what do you think of putting 211 wheels from a E320 2004 with 225/55/16 on a 2001 E320 S
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Hi, Remtz.

They'll fit fine and look much better, those were the first ones I put on mine (and I have a set for sale if you're interested, pristine condition and the Michelins on them have about 3/5 of their life left...). The tires are slightly larger but will fit just fine, be aware your speedo will be slow by a few miles an hour, so watch the speeding.

You will, however, need custom lug bolts as the 211 chassis uses 14M bolts with a R14 ball seat.

Welcome to Otis Inc., LA sells the RAD (Germany) brand for around $60 a set including shipping, they are R14 ball seat with the M12 threads.

Take care and enjoy the ride,
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farsal said:
Thanks alot greg for your response, however I used the tyre size calculator to figure that, W210 originally come with 215/55/16 that's equal to 643 mm in overall diameter, and 235/45/17 is exactly the same in diameter except the tyre is wider, well I already have 225/55/16 which's equal to 652 mm diameter, and equal to 245/45/17, I know they're a bit larger but still within the acceptable range the difference is 1.4% only which's equal to 9mm, still you can go upto 2.5% max. difference up/down in overall diameter, I think my problem is not the tyre size, I'm afraid of the bolt size only, and I like to go a bit wider.

my car is Avangarde which's already low (I think in USA you call it sport) I've seen the cars in USA they have what we call here (Elegance) which's a bit higher (the clearence is visible in mine is not) that's why I'm suffering from pavements in the parkings.
just go to the link below and check the wheel and tyre sizes.

TYRESAVE: Tyre Size Calculator

Appreciate you response guys you're great help

Thanks
I have the American Sport version with 235/45/17 stock wheels. I was under the impression that the Sport and Non Sport models had the same exact suspension set up. Is my car lower than non Sport models? Are is that the case in Europe only?
 

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How come no one is mentioning the difference in the offset? With the new bolts mentioned, does it matter? It must, unless these bolts make up for it.
I am looking at a 8Jx16H2 ET 36 rims mounted with winter tires. My 2001 E320 wagon takes 7.5Jx16H2 ET 41. Both have 225 55 16 tires.

So, to make those snows work on my car, what do I need?
Burgie
 

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tires should be 215/55/16. If stock.
What are the rims off of?
You need the seat shape and the thickness of the mount to calculate the difference in lug length if any.
36et will fit with those tires the tires will just not be stock diameter.
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The rims are said to be stock off of a 2004 E320. They are five spoke, and part number A2114013302

The hub of the wheel and the car seem to mate up OK, and when pressed on (since my lug bolts would not hold the wheel on correctly) the tire clears just fine. In looking through a number of previous threads, it looks like getting those 12mmx1.5 26mm shank R14 ball seat has worked for everyone who has tried, right?
Burgie
 
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