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Yeah, some lawyers, car salesmen, realtors and politicians can lie and look you straight in the eyes....the rest of us, not so much. It's a dark art, just ask any of the aforementioned people.

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.......remembered about the 92 white ebay car......I was really pissed when I found it had a bad HG,...... I always wondered how and why did the lower front air dam so scratched and gouged?.......I found every leaf,stick,gavel, known to mankind stuffed everywhere! also the large colony of black ants living it. I can see her hauling ass around dirt roads in the country with this car!
ha, sounds all to familiar. Mine had gravel & dirt in every panel part imaginable! That wasn't the worst......Put it this way:

Purchased the 87' 300E back in Jan 2010. After it was dropped off, running mind you, off toe truck. Took for a spin up the road about half a km. Didn't even get it home before I had to pull over seeing steam & noise happening from under the bonnet :D

Got it home. Opened the bonnet & when cooled, removed rad cap to find a strange coloured coolant. Then removed oil filler cap which revealed chocolate milk was in there instead of engine oil.

On pulling engine down, found nice shiney forged pistons but est of engine, head, block, corroded beyond belief......so.....hence the rebuild.

The only unreplaced running gear part so far & it's never been on the road is the diff :eek:

But it's been resprayed, great interior so, it gets rebuilt!
 

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Actually it's not. Sorry.
It's not what, a "dark art" or possible to lie and look someone in the face? And take notice I said some of those people and not all. I know you work at a MB dealership and this wasn't necessarily directed at you.;)

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Customers lie more than anybody else.

There's even an expression for it: Buyers are liars.

It's not what, a "dark art" or possible to lie and look someone in the face? And take notice I said some of those people and not all. I know you work at a MB dealership and this wasn't necessarily directed at you.;)

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Customers lie more than anybody else.

There's even an expression for it: Buyers are liars.
Ooooo Oooooo !

I got one of those sayings !

What is the difference between Car Salesman and computer geeks ?

Computer Geeks know when they are lying.

I was one of them for 15 years - Computer Geek - and I often had to lie about why the friggin' computer thing didn't work. Reason : I HAD NO FRIGGIN IDEA !
 

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Customers lie more than anybody else.

There's even an expression for it: Buyers are liars.
Yeah I know the expression. But it can germinate from a certain expectation when you walk into a dealership and see 'combat rooms' and all the shenanigans that go with that. It's refreshing not to see that and yes, it's possible to have a pleasant experience where the lying part is irrelevant.

But....there's really not much a typical buyer can lie about. If he lies about his credit, that comes out. If he lies about his intentions, that comes out. The buyer can certainly lie about their trade-in vehicle, if that's what you mean.

One of the funniest, movie bits ever related to buying a car is with Albert Brooks and a MB salesman (Hans) in Lost In America. I read that Brooks actually did the voice of 'Hans' as well, which would make this bit even more brilliant.:D

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I bought the car for my wife. Originally got her an old Buick Roadmaster but the toad still hasn't given us the title and I'm going to have to prosecute the little toad.
I grew up with German cars in the UK and remember how the 190E was my fathers dream car that he never got to own and how my mum used to repeat the same old rhetoric about how mercedes was the king of the cars. I'm an engineer, I worked at Jaguar cars R and D for 9 years around the time the W210 was launched and rememeber how even in the UK the rumours of Lopezs poor quality influence at Mercedes was legendary. I worked in Germany for a while with some mercedes benz powertrain engineers. I never thought that much of the engine in terms of airflow and engine physics but the older stuff...in terms of durability...
Truth be told I'm more of a Porsche/BMW ing enthusiast type- where you hear the engine and feel the road more but for my wife longevity and durability is more important along with security.
So when it was time to get the wife a car (now I'm an engineer in the USA), I thought about a utilitarian car that was tough and that I could look after and fix up. I showed my wife these videos


This one made her cry and get really upset

And she also liked this one

I bought the 1993 400E about 3 weeks ago for about $2250 with 148K miles. So far so good. No rust, good condition- the seller certainly knew about mercedes and how to look after them. Transmission is a bit slippy but so far my adjustments are a temporary solution. Intend to change out the fluid for F fluid and change out the K1 spring for the ammended type. If I end up spending between $1000-1500 in the next year I still think it'll be worth it- cheap motoring and a great car. It's a statement for me against mindless consumerism and disposable cars. As Mercedes say in their advert:

"Nothing will make a driver more faithful to a car than a car that is faithful to its driver".
 

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Well, the Force was strong with me on that day.

I was in Saudi Arabia, returned back from work and having the regular chat with my father (in homeland Lebanon) on the intertubes.

Few pic sharing later, I was on the verge of exploding in my pants. I had to get it no matter considering sights of a 500E in Lebanon are quite rare.

Price? After negotiations, 8,000$. That's a little more than the average price of a similar 300 / 320. We have high custom rates on cars, which explain the discrepancies with the US market.
The previous owner was burdened with a V8 car and its running cost.

I'm still investing in it to bring it back to pristine condition. Plenty of experienced independent MB specialists to work with.
So far, transmission, harness, wheels, suspension, brakes, all have been refurbished / replaced.
Cosmetically, all lights, grill, emblems, have been replaced as well. It will most likely get a paint job once the winter season is over.
The interior received a new steering wheel, center console, and Kenwood audio system.
The list is still growing...

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After some idiot backing the truck to my daily drive 85 Celica GT and total it my lifetime boss want some German car, so got the 95 E320 early 97 for 38K with less than 30k miles on the clock. It was maintain and taking care by an independant German car shop untill the warranty expire then I do most of the maintenance consider as avid DIY mostly by maintenance book until I got the 97 W210 in mid 2008 and joint this forum then thing even got easier by the help of folks in here. It got 220 + K miles on it now still running strong beside the nuisance of the infamous oil leak from front right HG plan to R/R sometime soon.
 

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Growing up in the 1980s, the W124 was revolutionary. It was so cutting edge, and I remember at the time that a lot of articles in car magazines would compare almost any four door sedan to a 300E. I remember when the seat controls in the shape of a seat came out. And I remember the latch for the glove box being on the left, closer to the driver's hands. Nobody else was thinking like that at the time.

Sometime in the late 1980s, I went to Germany to visit family, and one of my uncles took me to the Mercedes factory. I remember engineers in lab coats and squeaky clean floors. I came home with a stack of books and brochures, all in German, which I didn't know how to read. I read them all anyway.

Fast forward to today, and I've spent 15 or so years autocrossing and road racing. Priorities changed, and I stopped doing big, National level events, so the need for a tow vehicle went away. I also have a girlfriend about two hours from me, and, sick of driving a manual transmission F250 diesel back and forth, I sold it. Originally, I wanted a 190E 2.3-16, but decided I didn't want a limited production, rare car with rare parts as a daily driver. It occurred to me that maybe a W124 could be a perfect fit. European and "interesting," yet still reliable and easy to service and find parts for.

So, the hunt began. I looked nationwide, for weeks. V8s, wagons, sedans, I was interested in the whole lot. I preferred the look of the pre-facelift cars, and didn't relish the notion of the biodegradable wiring of the late cars, but talked myself into a late one anyway. I figured maybe I'd find one that had already had its wiring harness replaced, and I'll be honest, I wanted the extra power of the M104. I found my E320 on cars.com, with a mere 21K miles on it. I drove up that day and bought it. The top of the car has been repainted - I can tell the clear coat was failing before, and I continue to find stuff about the paintwork that I don't like, mostly a poor job of masking. But, it's got service stamps from a Merc dealer in Fort Lauderdale, and I knew I'd probably never find another one with such low miles and a replaced wiring harness. I bought it.

I've put 7000 miles on it since August. :thumbsup:

I need to rewire (or have someone else rewire) the throttle body, and it needs a new headliner and shocks. Otherwise, it's essentially perfect. It has lived up to all my boyhood expectations of what a thoroughly engineered German sedan could be. And, it's not a BMW like all my motorsports friends drive. :D
 

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In 2001, I was driving a 1994 Ford Explorer which needed some repairs and was put into a friend's shop for about a week. I also had a VW so keeping the Ford in the shop for a week was no problem.

Friends of ours that we had know well for 15 years had just had twins and they found that they couldn't put 2 carseats and a 7 year old into the back seat of her daily driver comfortably so they garaged the car and bought a minivan. When the explorer needed work, they offered to LEND me their 1991 300E for as long as I needed it. My momma didn't raise as fool...

Man, what a car! It had 48K miles on it (for a 10 year old MB!), handled perfectly, had all the power I ever needed, etc. Then my Explorer was ready for pickup. The owner of the MB (Rob) said... "you wanna buy it? Why don't you keep it for another week, have it checked out, and we'll talk."

I took it to the local MB dealer and they had the records for every factory scheduled service done to the car for the last 10 years. They checked it out and found nothing needing attention. The owners had it professionally detailed in their driveway once a month. There was a no food/soda rule for the car. Rob showed me the original invoice for the car. $48,500. in 1991!

One week went by. Rob said "Give me 50% of whatever Bluebook is". My wife told me she would divorce me if we didn't buy it. It was a no brainer...


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I forgot to mention (but AutoScapes post reminded me) that THIS ad aired when I was growing up. He walked out with only bruising, as I recall....

Chapman's Peak.

Sorry I can't embed it.



I bought the car for my wife. Originally got her an old Buick Roadmaster but the toad still hasn't given us the title and I'm going to have to prosecute the little toad.
I grew up with German cars in the UK and remember how the 190E was my fathers dream car that he never got to own and how my mum used to repeat the same old rhetoric about how mercedes was the king of the cars. I'm an engineer, I worked at Jaguar cars R and D for 9 years around the time the W210 was launched and rememeber how even in the UK the rumours of Lopezs poor quality influence at Mercedes was legendary. I worked in Germany for a while with some mercedes benz powertrain engineers. I never thought that much of the engine in terms of airflow and engine physics but the older stuff...in terms of durability...
Truth be told I'm more of a Porsche/BMW ing enthusiast type- where you hear the engine and feel the road more but for my wife longevity and durability is more important along with security.
So when it was time to get the wife a car (now I'm an engineer in the USA), I thought about a utilitarian car that was tough and that I could look after and fix up. I showed my wife these videos

Fifth Gear's W124 Built Quality Test Part 1 - YouTube

This one made her cry and get really upset

And she also liked this one
Faithful (Long) - YouTube

I bought the 1993 400E about 3 weeks ago for about $2250 with 148K miles. So far so good. No rust, good condition- the seller certainly knew about mercedes and how to look after them. Transmission is a bit slippy but so far my adjustments are a temporary solution. Intend to change out the fluid for F fluid and change out the K1 spring for the ammended type. If I end up spending between $1000-1500 in the next year I still think it'll be worth it- cheap motoring and a great car. It's a statement for me against mindless consumerism and disposable cars. As Mercedes say in their advert:

"Nothing will make a driver more faithful to a car than a car that is faithful to its driver".
 

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A friend gave us an inherited 1990 300E 2.6 after having dumped $1000s into not fixing a rough idle and stalling problem. I've got it 99% fixed after spending a few $100 on parts (mostly, the air meter thing).
The air meter thing did you mean MAF (Mass Air Filter) sensor? So far that was my major (?) repair for the past 2-3 years.
 

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Ohhh great thread john! read all of em, and now its my turn!!
Originally, my first car was a 1995 w202 c280, (black and black)it was alright got it for 2200$ spent 1400$ for ac/tuneup.. spent another 1200$ for tires.. 2 weeks after i got rear ended.. Ouch. car was totaled... some body shop i used to hang out at totally got me, but oh well.. he convinced me to sell it to him for $200.. i was like wait... give me $200 more.. and you give me some work on my 300e

My mom had an 87 300e she got for 1200$ and it was literally just sitting, or her boyfriend and her barely drove.. this car was the original reason why i got the c280, as i wanted something a little sportier, etc.. but man my first drive of the 300e, it was AMAZING! (i learned from smaller camrys,hyundais, etc) obviously had my little Japanese tuner car stage, my cousins drove an sti, tt supra, and s2k at the time.. and it was when fast and furious was cool.. hey i was young!

What made you purchase a 124?
my mom would always complain about gas on the car, and little problems.. she sold it to me if i paid for a year of registration, and for the tags, good deal.. was something like 500$? it was an 87 300e, anarchite grey metallic, palamino interior (great paint/interior combo) this car was great (came with slk rims), but i never really paid attention, as i thought all old benzers were old and slow.. anyways the guy who bought my car for $400.. he flipped it, spent like 800? and sold it for 5k.. but he did give me brand new tires, tranny flush, coolant flush, and little things here and there, i didn't care as this was about when i got my first socket set (craftsman) and i did little things like spark plugs, cap and rotor, ovp, etc.. car was running amazing, looked great, updated headlights and tailights.. (interior wasn't that great, but someone donated me some brand new seats, so my interior was kind of grey and palamino, but *shrug* it was comfy*
got in a fight with some girl.. whom i still love, but its not working out too great.. got a little too pissed, went canyon driving with a buncha friends, they had is300s, bmws, infinitys, some deer or cayote jolted across, and my friend got scared and floored his brakes.., to avoid him i swirved, hit the side of the mountain.. ouch... and so did some other guy (he was in an e34 bmw) he hit the rail.. car was totaled..... but me and my passenger were fine, smoked a ciggerette and called AAA.. the car isn't fine, but literally i felt almost nothing.. and i've been in crashes before (rear ended, t-boned, etc in hondas, mazdas..) man was the W124 such an upgrade from the w202..

after doing lots of thinking, i was looking at bmws, as a ton of kids have em, and their not too expensive, my girlfriend had one, it was fun to drive.. and way better on gas than the w124.. one of my cousins kind of fell out of the japan tuner scene, and went to the euro tuner (no not the slammed wheels, and stupid offset right now) he has an aa stage 3 supercharged e46 m3.. i took it for a test.. the clutch honestly got tiring as a daily, and it had way too much power.. and reliability.. yeah its not something i can daily.. nor afford.. i knew i couldn't afford em, but meh.. i still leaned towards bmw.. drove a couple lightly modified/stockish m3's.. still too expensive.. so my realistic car was a 330ci zhp.. beautiful, fast, and reliable.. but man WAY out of my pricerange..

i was going to get a e30 bmw.. but meh.. drove them, their fun but a little small.. was going slowly into the w124 scene, and also started to look at the w201.. but.. i remembered how i loved the w124, and basically made a list, and convinced myself despite me not being able to afford, etc.. w124 was it.
scowered the forums, and craigslist, and lots of crap, lots of good cars, but i didn't have the money.. saw a 95 e420, first v8 w124 i drove.. was in bad condition, but the owner said he'd let it go for $1200!!! turns out i'm friends with the guy now, and he helps me pull stuff out at the junkyard, has a ton of tools.. hes still trying to get rid of it.. but it was ehh.. too much damage..

i kept on looking, and man i wanted the coupe, cause both the windows go down and its a coupe.. talk about swagger.. and i did my studies on the m103 and thought i knew what i was getting myself into, but i ALWAYS wanted more power when i drove my 300e, and was looking around for more 400e/e420s but couldn't get one in price range that were decent.. so i was set on getting the 3.2 m104 300ce..

craigslist, most of it was crap, i was set on "the most expensive benz is a cheap benz" i knew this, as i experienced, as was trying to find something clean with maintanence.. i was going to buy it from a forum member, but he was a real ass about it, but it was a 93 300ce sportline, prestine shape, needed work.. but it wasn't too bad. and interior was clean....

but i messed up.. i went all the way to palm springs, (2 hour drive) saw a benz on craigslist.. paint was shot, interior shot, i knew it needed work.. but the guy had a new harness, headgasket done, even had to have a cylinder rebuilt, had receipt for the hg, not the harness.. he had an asking price of 1800$.. condition was alot crappier than i thought.. and i ran a carfax.. turns out mileage was rolled back 100,000 from some dealer, his aunt bought it from that dealer, he bought it from her, they had no idea.. but i thought the engine had potential, as he had some receipts, and eta harness condition was good...so i talked him down to $1350, and took it home.. MAN DID I MAKE A MISTAKE! btw color is smoke silver, mushroom interior [dont ever buy a desert car unless its clean and has maintenance]
i spent $300, and kind of got ripped off on the most half ass inspection, by a indy recommended from here..
but the car basically needs a new suspension, new window seals all around, new window regulators all around, ton of engine work (hopefully the conrod/lifter/camshaft isn't going) as it developed some weird tic.. needs vacuums, a rat chewed through the harness that i didn't see etc etc..
its a nightmare.. all i want to do is get rid of it now.. but i already spent about $600 with tags and everything...

now its dead in my garage with a ton of problems..

so i'm attempting to repair the wiring harness, and a few things to get it running.. and maybe sell it for $1000 - $1500, if it runs and doesn't stalls, junkyards only want to give me $500 - $600 max.. and its too bad i'm going to have to contact the guy with the 93 sportline, cause i told him if i get rid of it ill buy his car.. but ill literally be broke.. so i've posted some threads to see what i can get if i part it out.. but technically i keep thinking if i get this running and refresh the suspension and fix things here and there.. it'll run decent for a long time.. but i really want a nice interior.. and some great working windows.. so yeah.. still deciding, but repairs arn't going too bad.. i think.

the w202, i went to an expensive indy, who did good work, but was a bit too expensive, and later on.. i guess the car just didn't like me...

the w124, the bodyshop owner who bought my 202, did a bunch of stuff for me.. but i got ripped off by an aftermarket audio installer.. did a terrible job, i pretty much blew $1800

my w124 coupe.. i made a mistake, and if i fix it hurray.. but man did this car teach me ALOT about the w124.. and man is the m103 so much easier to work on that the m104..
i also realized i had the same engine in my w202 :p and the m103 still feels better to me, but this cars in bad shape so well see..

so if i get it running nice, i wont sell the coupe, and itll be my huge project daily beater car.. if i sell it, i'm probably going to buy the sportline, and that will be my project..

i know i've had some terrible luck and some terrible decisions with my cars, but i learned! "3rd times the charm i guess" just pay, you get what you pay for most of the time, and make sure it has been taken care of, and take care of it so it will take care of you..

never again will i buy such a messed up w124.. but my next w124 will either be the vert, or the e420 (most likely e420)

i know its been a long post, and my structure sucks, its 3:30 am and i got work in 5 hours so.... yeah theres my story! but because i bought such a messed up car, i was able to learn alot.. someday i hope i can be like some of you mechanics out there, and extreme diy ppl and fix other cars too..
 

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I actually got a W124 because I couldn't afford a decent W123...I got a W123 because after 25 years riding motorbikes I had to get a car license for work, and a mate had a cheap 230TE for sale..loved it.
When it finally rusted through I couldn't find another W123 230TE so I got a W124 230TE...and I liked that so ended up with a 300TD.
Which is nice.

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The air meter thing did you mean MAF (Mass Air Filter) sensor? So far that was my major (?) repair for the past 2-3 years.
the M103 engine in the earlier 300E's is KE-Jet (CIS), not LH or whatever EIS. Instead of a MAF, there's a mechanical air flow sensor plate that modulates the fuel pressure via a hydraulic system in the fuel distributor. this part was all gummed up.
 

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Being 21 (almost 22) the W124 is a reliable, comfortable and remarkable vehicle that still looks profoundly modern despite it being a 1990 and as old as I am. I've driven a 98 BMW 328, 95 BMW 530i and those were great cars but the W124s build quality and engine response is superior but not as good as a a handling car.
 

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When I was younger my uncle had a 1991 300E - white on black. First car I ever drove :D (was 11 at the time). I loved the styling and attention to detail on them. Ever since then I have had a soft soft for the w124. When I was 21 and finally can afford a Mercedes, I came across a 91 300E, charcoal on black leather at a local auction house. I bought it and took her home. Ran good, only issue was the engine leaking oil from the headgasket. I ran a carfax on it and turned out the odometer was rolled back previously so she got returned and I got my money back. Lost $100 on that one but meh could have been worse! Ever since then I have been looking for a coupe version.
I searched high and low and could not find any for sale here.

Fast forward a couple years and I am searching on a local salvage auctions site and I see a smoke silver 1995 E320 convertible. The car looked clean and well maintained, I didn't care what I'd have to fix to get her back on the street - I just couldn't let it go to scrap. I picked her up and had her towed back to my place. I found a sticker for a repair shop inside the door jamb and called them. They couldn't give me the owners information due to privacy laws so i asked them to pass my information on to him. He got into contact with me and turns out the vehicle was his moms vehicle. I did get a folder full of service records from him :). She didn't need much other then the body damage fixed and stil ltrying to fix the soft top which will not open. She runs like a charm :)
 
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