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I'm looking for feedback from members who have purchased Unimogs from Expedition Imports or Atkinson Vos, to help me to make my purchasing decision.

When I retire this fall, my wife and I plan to buy a Unimog, build an overland-type camper box, and do full-time RV living in the slow lane for about five years.

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Either is highly reputable. Do not hesitate buying from them. Others are also equally good, but these two are great. I wouldn’t hesitate to buy, sight unseen, anything from Expedition Imports.
 

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Either is highly reputable. Do not hesitate buying from them. Others are also equally good, but these two are great. I wouldn’t hesitate to buy, sight unseen, anything from Expedition Imports.
Who else do you think I should be looking at?

Have you purchased a Unimog from Expedition Imports or Atkinson Vos?
 

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Most on this list know of one or both those vendors and will only have good things to say!!! Do you know what size of vehicle your looking for as some mogs are better suited to camperization than others.. Give us some information on what your end goal is???
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Most on this list know of one or both those vendors and will only have good things to say!!!
I appreciate that many members know of them and will say good things about them.

But what I'm really looking for, is actual feedback from any members that have purchased vehicles from them.
 

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I have been buying and selling to Scott at IE for years, you will not find a more honest seller. I have also dealt with Simon at AV and have had good luck with them as well. Since you are here in the states, Scott would be a better bet. It just works easier being here in the same country makes life much easier when buying a Unimog. But don't limit yourself to only those two sellers, as there are many private sellers out there with great trucks for sale as well. You just need to figure out what you model fits best for your needs, and how much work are you willing to do yourself. If money is no object than buy one already done, just make sure you take the wife along to look at it before you buy!
 

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Scott at EI is one of the grand old men for unimogs in the US specifically but not limited to the 404.

AV is a massive resource for Ag and other working trucks and carries an amazing reputation in both information and supplying the odd bits and bobs.

Andy at VK Cars has had a hand in brining many high quality trucks into North America and is generally regarded as a top notch dude.

Merex in Germany is able to supply nearly gaggenau/wurth level service and support and is known to not sell crap, ever.

Hellgeth is the Vulcan’s forge for trucks that go fast, faster, fastest! Expensive but speed is a function of money and you are hard pressed to do better in terms of ROI.

Schussler offerers a wide range typically and offers renewal services if you want a turn key showroom truck.

The real questions here is not who but what; what do you want to use as the base truck and what do you want it to do? What are the limitations and restrictions you can accept? Unimog are amazing at what they are amazing at and a real donkey show at what they aren’t. The trick is recognizing the differences and harmonizing your want & need list to target trucks.

An good example is the fact that despite coming from the fatherland they are not designed for or intended for prolonged high speed highway travel. Despite having eight speeds in three ranges plus a gear splitter that effectively doubles this, you don’t go any faster as all these gears are to make it go slower! They are heavy and thirsty and expensive and a mystery to a significantly large fraction of mechanics in the US; they are not like other trucks. They are not a 4wd Winnebago.

But it’s not all doom and gloom. They are an amazing all conditions hauler and within reason if you can’t get there in a unimog you have no business being there. Sand, snow , mud, rocks, swamp: unimog can do it. Need to build a camper that’s a scale model of your house? Unimog can haul it. Need that camper to cross the Altar? Done.

It’s mostly a matter of matching the reality of the truck to expectation of the user. Race trucks can fly and do 80mph but they make very poor long term middle of nowhere working machines. Ag trucks can just about stop the rotation of the earth with traction and working rigs can carry so many implements you have no idea where the people fit but they top out at 45 and need WOT going down hill.

What do you want unimog to do for you and we can help you find and configure a solution.
 

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I have been buying and selling to Scott at IE for years, you will not find a more honest seller. I have also dealt with Simon at AV and have had good luck with them as well. Since you are here in the states, Scott would be a better bet. It just works easier being here in the same country makes life much easier when buying a Unimog. But don't limit yourself to only those two sellers, as there are many private sellers out there with great trucks for sale as well. You just need to figure out what you model fits best for your needs, and how much work are you willing to do yourself. If money is no object than buy one already done, just make sure you take the wife along to look at it before you buy!
Thanks, Von.

The overland Unimog was my wife's idea.

I e-mailed Scott today. His web site only lists two square-cabs that aren't Dokas, and both of them are short-wheelbase vehicles with 6-lug axles.

I'm also trading e-mails with one of Simon's employees on a couple of vehicles that might work for me. I don't mind flying over there to inspect them, and I've got a customs broker lined up to handle things on this end.
 

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Puzzling question to tell the truth.

I lived and worked in the UK for several years back before the beginning of time and I am perfectly comfortable with doing business there. But when I needed a front axle for my ancient 406 which I could not find in america, I eventually bought the part from AV and was astounded at how difficult it was to get answers to simple questions about the part they were offering. The process literally took months.

If I had a choice between purchasing a vehicle in the US that would be accessible for inspection, detection and rejection versus a purchase from the UK that would require a long distance dialogue or trip to the UK, I would have to go through the closer process and determine I could not find the mog of my dreams before I would ever consider an overseas purchase as a viable alternative.

When you have to tell the UK dealer that their quote includes VAT ("Value Added Tax": is it still 20%?) not required for an export sale, you realize that you may speak the same language, but you are working off a different business model, and you have to pay close attention to the details.

The replacement axle was fine, by the way, and the details were all as finally understood, but there was alot of uncertainty until the part finally arrived.

So I have bought parts, not a vehicle, from both Expedition Imports and from Atkinson Vos, as well as from several other excellent parts sources in the US: my recommendation is to start as close to your geographical location as you can, and only extend your radius when you decide you cannot find what you need here.

Of course, if you are looking for a right hand drive Unimog, better to start in the UK or South Africa or Japan or Australia because the selection will be better.

But if your question is North American source versus UK source, the answer is pretty clear.

I have no experience purchasing a vehicle from either of your chosen suppliers, so I am probably not helping you with the specific input that you are requesting. Pretty unlikely that you will find a response from someone who has bought a unimog from both prospective vendors and can offer a candid recommendation.

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Puzzling question to tell the truth.

I lived and worked in the UK for several years back before the beginning of time and I am perfectly comfortable with doing business there.
I have spent some time in Europe also.

But when I needed a front axle for my ancient 406 which I could not find in [A]merica, I eventually bought the part from AV and was astounded at how difficult it was to get answers to simple questions about the part they were offering. The process literally took months.

If I had a choice between purchasing a vehicle in the US that would be accessible for inspection, detection and rejection versus a purchase from the UK that would require a long distance dialogue or trip to the UK, I would have to go through the closer process and determine I could not find the mog of my dreams before I would ever consider an overseas purchase as a viable alternative.

When you have to tell the UK dealer that their quote includes VAT ("Value Added Tax": is it still 20%?) not required for an export sale, you realize that you may speak the same language, but you are working off a different business model, and you have to pay close attention to the details.

So I have bought parts, not a vehicle, from both Expedition Imports and from Atkinson Vos, as well as from several other excellent parts sources in the US: my recommendation is to start as close to your geographical location as you can, and only extend your radius when you decide you cannot find what you need here.

Of course, if you are looking for a right hand drive Unimog, better to start in the UK or South Africa or Japan or Australia because the selection will be better.

But if your question is North American source versus UK source, the answer is pretty clear.

I have no experience purchasing a vehicle from either of your chosen suppliers, so I am probably not helping you with the specific input that you are requesting. Pretty unlikely that you will find a response from someone who has bought a unimog from both prospective vendors and can offer a candid recommendation.

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Thanks. Your input is not without value.

EI would probably be my first choice, due to geography. I've been looking at a lot of other sellers across the U.S., but I'm not finding what I'm looking for ( BTW, the thread for "What kind of Unimog am I looking for?" discussion is located here: https://www.benzworld.org/forums/unimog/3026376-what-kind-unimog-do-i-want.html ). So I started looking elsewhere, to include AV.
 

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I’m based in the UK and AV are about to some work on my U1300L. No complaints so far !
If you’re looking to find the right vehicle, take a look at ACPrice too - they’re only about 5 miles away from AV and did all the initial work on mine.
https://www.acprice.co.uk/second-hand-unimogs

Finally there’s South Cave Tractors:
https://southcavetractors.com/used/
Those are the only three Unimog specialists in the UK, but all have excellent reputations and may widen your choice a little.

Both companies offer an “inspection report” on second hand Unimogs where they crawl all over it & give you a full report on its condition for £250-£300 (+ 20% VAT).

You might want to consider flying over for the biggest off-road expedition vehicle event in the world. It’s in Germany next month:
https://www.abenteuer-allrad.de/en/

I’m expecting to see every conceivable vehicle and supplier there...

If there’s anything you need from the UK, I’d be happy to help





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If you are in the Northeast, you should add the Unimog Center in NH on your list. UnimogCenter ? Unimog information, specs and for sale. The owner George Bull is low key but very knowledgeable about Mogs, he has inventory in NH but also on occasion makes trips to Europe and goes to auctions and imports them. He is quite picky and if he doesn't see one that meets his standards he doesn't buy one just to pack out his inventory. I bought my 1300L from him and know another person nearby who has bought from him. The only issue with George is he is sole proprietor and is always busy.

The key thing as another poster mentioned is to realize that unlike a typical conventional dealer relationship, many folks just sell them and don't maintain a service staff as the volume is too low. The owners can be helpful on possible service sources but there are few if any factory trained Unimog mechanics in the US. Mercedes dealers at most regard them as "illegitimate step children" and you should expect that if you do have them work on a Mog, you are paying a mechanic typically very high service rates to learn on the job. They can in theory order parts direct through Mercedes. IMO if you don't want to be in charge of servicing and maintaining a Mog, you are in for a frustrating experience.

Vermont Unimog has a slick website but over a two year period of looking for Mogs, I was never able to reach them on the phone, have a message returned or ever had response to emails. This was few years ago but that was my experience.
 

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Scott is a solid provider. Straight shooter. He has to be... there is a lot of clowning around out there and he runs a legitamate business. He won’t advise you wrong with regards to bringing in a risky truck etc. That said would prepared to travel to see ANY Mog first hand. Picture can be very misleading. Scott is a great guy to help you import it successfully. He knows the laws and procedure. My first truck was purchased from Scott and I completed the titling myself. He had all documents lined up.
 

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I’m based in the UK and AV are about to some work on my U1300L. No complaints so far !

If you’re looking to find the right vehicle, take a look at ACPrice too - they’re only about 5 miles away from AV and did all the initial work on mine.
https://www.acprice.co.uk/second-hand-unimogs

Finally there’s South Cave Tractors:
https://southcavetractors.com/used/
Those are the only three Unimog specialists in the UK, but all have excellent reputations and may widen your choice a little.

Both companies offer an “inspection report” on second hand Unimogs where they crawl all over it & give you a full report on its condition for £250-£300 (+ 20% VAT).

You might want to consider flying over for the biggest off-road expedition vehicle event in the world. It’s in Germany next month:
https://www.abenteuer-allrad.de/en/

I’m expecting to see every conceivable vehicle and supplier there...

If there’s anything you need from the UK, I’d be happy to help





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If you are in the Northeast, you should add the Unimog Center in NH on your list. UnimogCenter ? Unimog information, specs and for sale. The owner George Bull is low key but very knowledgeable about Mogs, he has inventory in NH but also on occasion makes trips to Europe and goes to auctions and imports them. He is quite picky and if he doesn't see one that meets his standards he doesn't buy one just to pack out his inventory. I bought my 1300L from him and know another person nearby who has bought from him. The only issue with George is he is sole proprietor and is always busy.

The key thing as another poster mentioned is to realize that unlike a typical conventional dealer relationship, many folks just sell them and don't maintain a service staff as the volume is too low. The owners can be helpful on possible service sources but there are few if any factory trained Unimog mechanics in the US. Mercedes dealers at most regard them as "illegitimate step children" and you should expect that if you do have them work on a Mog, you are paying a mechanic typically very high service rates to learn on the job. They can in theory order parts direct through Mercedes. IMO if you don't want to be in charge of servicing and maintaining a Mog, you are in for a frustrating experience.

Vermont Unimog has a slick website but over a two year period of looking for Mogs, I was never able to reach them on the phone, have a message returned or ever had response to emails. This was few years ago but that was my experience.
Thank you.

I'm not in the Northeast, and I wouldn't want to have to drive or ship a Unimog to the west coast from there.

I have an extensive background in vehicle repair. If I buy a vehicle that's in decent shape and have a full set of shop manuals, I should be fine.
 

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Thank you.

I'm not in the Northeast, and I wouldn't want to have to drive or ship a Unimog to the west coast from there.
But you have no problem shipping from Europe? Have I missed something?
 

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But you have no problem shipping from Europe? Have I missed something?
Just a couple of oceans- it's not possible to drive from England to the U.S., even in a Unimog. :wink

Unimogs are much more expensive here in the U.S., in part because if a Unimog is here, that means that somebody has already probably already paid a bunch of money to ship it from Europe to the U.S..

Or to express it in the inverse, Unimogs are much less expensive in their native Europe, which makes it much easier for me to absorb the expense of shipping one here.

So if I buy one on the east coast, then I'd be paying for the shipping from Europe to the U.S. in the form of a higher price, PLUS I'd then be faced with the time, expense, and risk of shipping and/or driving it all the way across the U.S. to get it home. That doesn't make good financial sense to me.

That said, if there's one on the east coast that will work for me, and somebody has a reliable/safe/affordable shipper, I'd have to take a look at it.
 

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I have had two shipped from Germany, and they both landed in Georgia. I picked them up from Sean's place.

The U1250, a buddy and I drove to Montana in January. It was a light winter, and we just hit snow in Wyoming. 13 states, 2200 miles, 5.5 days -
we meandered around a bit, and had a great time.

The U1450L, I drove solo, and I was on an express run to Los Angeles. Straight across on the south / middle route, stopping only for fuel, a snooze, and dropping some G-wagen / MB parts in Albuquerque with BurqueDOKA. 4 days and change. The U1450L was like a race car compared to the U1250. It still is.

The shipping costs, all in, were under $5K in both instances, and the road trips costs were about the same as any other road trip. The shipping to the West Coast was more expensive (at the time, at least), so it was close to a wash....plus I got to do a couple of long drives in UNIMOGs, which was fun.


Heavy headwinds (right on the nose) on both trips showcased the incredible aerodynamic design of the Square Cab UNIMOGs. The Photo with the Semis was actually a technique I used on the second trip- I'd draft a semi, and the OM366A did not have to work nearly as hard....and there were plenty of semis to draft. I could hang with them in that truck, not so much in the Green one.

The Headwinds were really hellacious on both trips. We were so tired of battling them on the first trip heading West across Nebraska, that I turned right and headed north, just to jump onto secondary roads and turn them into side winds. They had died down by the time we hit Colorado.

Fun Trips, nonetheless.
 

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Wow, I guess that's something to think about. It is physically possible for me to drive a Unimog across the U.S., and I would have the time to do it. If it's cheaper to ship to the east coast, maybe I could do that. Sort of like a much slower version of the Cannonball Baker Sea-To-Shining-Sea Memorial Trophy Dash.

I guess I better contact AV and see about that. They're quoting me £5000-£6000GBP to ship a Unimog to Tacoma Washington. That's $6,358.98-$7,630.77 USD.

I do wonder about the highway wear to the new 495/70R24 Michelin XM47 tires that I plan to have them put on it...
 

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That's steep on shipping from the UK. 6K Pound Sterling is >$10K Canadian monopoly money. Several years ago I shipped a 1550 RORO from Belgium to Halifax for <$3K Cdn via WW. Andy from VK Kars BVBA sold me the truck and arranged for the shipping. He was first class to deal with. Cheers...
 
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