Where to Put Floor Jacks??
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I really hate to flame on you but that's the most irresponsible response I have ever read on this forum. Just shove the jack anywhere under the car and pump????? Yeah right!!! Are you on some kind of medication or you just want to piss me off???lvfjmbusa said:
Well, not to distract any further, thanks for your response, but NO, I will not put the floor jack any place under the car and pump anything. It just doesn't work that way.
The last time that I raised the rear of my car, I used the differential case to lift it. The rear subframe did flex during the operation, but it settled back down into place once I removed the tension from the jack.
This isn't ideal, but nothing other than a lift really is. I had the front on jackstands and needed to get the rear up. I tried to jack on the plastic lift point, and it lifted the car off of the front jackstand on the same side. That was very much less than ideal.
I had to put the rear tires on 2x8's to get just a bit of lift before putting the front on stands, or there was no way to get the jack under the differential case. Lifting just the rear would not pose this problem, but you won't be able to lift the front once the rear is in the air.
This isn't ideal, but nothing other than a lift really is. I had the front on jackstands and needed to get the rear up. I tried to jack on the plastic lift point, and it lifted the car off of the front jackstand on the same side. That was very much less than ideal.
I had to put the rear tires on 2x8's to get just a bit of lift before putting the front on stands, or there was no way to get the jack under the differential case. Lifting just the rear would not pose this problem, but you won't be able to lift the front once the rear is in the air.
You probably don't have an owners manual because if you did even your half dead brain would have noticed that the owners manual doesn't tell you where to put floor jacks. And even if it did, I'm sure it'd not say to put it anywhere under the car. Have you even read the owner's manual? Do you even know what it looks like? If you can find me the page it says to put a floor jack anywhere under the car and go on with your business I'll apologize publicly on this forum for flaming you. But until then, take your retarded comments somewhere else. I don't get angry much at people suggesting anything on the forums but you just crossed the line in my book and I can't help but lash oput at you. I can't believe you even have the balls to reply after you completely suggested something so unsafe in your original response. You probably don't even have a 210 car and just think that throwing any response here is OK.lvfjmbusa said:
Of course, if I can't jack up a car I'd not be working on it. But whether you like it or not, I will be DIYing my rear brakes and thank goodness I'll not be looking to you for any help. I post here to get suggestions to issues and opinions and hope that when others read the responses they can use the suggestions later when they have similar issues. To suggest that anyone just put a jack stand anywhere under the car is irresponsibly unsafe, whether you believe it or not!!!!!
Thanks Matt. I will ask my SA tomorrow. They wouldn't mind telling me. I have worked with them in the past and they seem to support all my DIYs, especially now that I'm out of warranty. Sometimes I get the idea the just don't want to see me at the shop anymore!!!
OK, I know what you're talking about. Unfortunately you don't understand what I'm talking about and please forgive me if I was harsh earlier. I'm not talking about changing tires. I have to do a brake DIY and even though that requires taking the wheel off, the car still has to be supported adequately so that as one works on the brakes (there's a lot of hard torquing required), the vehicle is still stable and will not tip off on the stands. The regular jack for changing the tires will not hold the car stable enough for this operation, hence the need for a floor jack. For a lot of vehicles, the recommended placement location for a floor jack is usually not same as for the tire changing jack. Infact, for the 210, it's not even possible to locate a floor jack where the tire jacks go. The floor jack would have to be placed somewhere under the car's frame, a very solid location, otherwise the vehicle may buckle under its own weight. If, for example you place the floor jack under the driver's side foot area, guess what, the darn thing will make a pretty nasty hole right through the floor. So, I hope now you understand why I flamed you for suggesting what you did. Friends again????lvfjmbusa said:
The rubber pad is right for floor jack. I understand, that Darkman is going to use floor stands to have whole rear lifted. About 1 foot from the door under the floor you'll see a "frame" it is unibody, so this is uniframe, but strong enough to hold the car with proper stand.
On the other hand why not to do one wheel at the time? You can use just a jack, slide removed wheel under the car for additional safety and work without worrying about the stands.
In any case don't forget to block front wheels very well.
On the other hand why not to do one wheel at the time? You can use just a jack, slide removed wheel under the car for additional safety and work without worrying about the stands.
In any case don't forget to block front wheels very well.
Thanks Kaj. I'm scared of using the tire jack because it slipped on me once during a simple tire rotation. I was doing the rears at the time and this, after blocking the front or one of them, I don't recall. Something went really wrong and to this day, I don't know why the jack slipped. Parking brake was on and my grage floor is concrete and flat!!! But I do like your idea of using the free wheel for xtra safety.
Then you have to support the car. This is a problem if the jack is located where the stand needs to go.
I put "normal" stands from Sears between the plastic jack points and the metal rib toward the inside of the car (look underneath to see what I mean). I could not have fit the stand there with the jack under the pad. I did look for a better place to put the stands, but didn't find anything that looked at all secure. I certainly did not want to put the stands under the suspension members. Once it's in the air and you're looking for a place for the stand, you'll see what I mean.
This car is designed to be raised on a lift. It is not designed for easy jacking, but we have to make do.
You could probably raise one side with the tire-changing jack, put a stand under the car and move to the other side. I don't know about you, but I really don't want to crank that jack if I have a hydraulic unit around.
I put "normal" stands from Sears between the plastic jack points and the metal rib toward the inside of the car (look underneath to see what I mean). I could not have fit the stand there with the jack under the pad. I did look for a better place to put the stands, but didn't find anything that looked at all secure. I certainly did not want to put the stands under the suspension members. Once it's in the air and you're looking for a place for the stand, you'll see what I mean.
This car is designed to be raised on a lift. It is not designed for easy jacking, but we have to make do.
You could probably raise one side with the tire-changing jack, put a stand under the car and move to the other side. I don't know about you, but I really don't want to crank that jack if I have a hydraulic unit around.
good lord, that MB jack is for emergency use only. when performing maintenance
and mods, i only reach for the floor jacks. i jack them up at the bumper pad
high enough, then slide the jack stand(s) in. when operating underneath the
car, redundancy in car support is important.
and mods, i only reach for the floor jacks. i jack them up at the bumper pad
high enough, then slide the jack stand(s) in. when operating underneath the
car, redundancy in car support is important.
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