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I am looking into buying a C55 but I dont know where to find one. Any advice?

Also, is there a way to turn a c43 into a c55 today?
 

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C55's were only made to special order by customers at MB. About 4500 C43s were made from...

C55's were only made to special order by customers at MB. About 4500 C43s were made from 1997 to 2000, but only about 30 C55 cars were ever made.

As you can see its very rare. Here in the UK, there are about 2 or 3 C55s in the whole country !

Your best bet to get one is from Germany. Last time i checked www.mobile.de website there was one for sale few months ago by one of the key members of the AMG owners club of Germany. It was fully loaded, low mileage, and was for sale for about 55k Euros (about 60k USD). You have to keep visiting this site and one day you may see one up for sale again.

As for converting a C43 to C55, thats too expensive, and not worth it IMHO. You can wait and get the new C55, which is coming out in February 2004 (this will be a regular production model, not special order like the "old" C55.)

Here is a link with some info about the forthcoming C55 AMG:

http://www.sportscartesting.com/news/mercedes/id699/pg3949

Personally, I prefer the "old" W202 AMG cars. I own a C43, and I think the new generation of C-Class cars, including the C32, is not as solid. Purely my opinion, no offense to any W203 owners out there !

Best of luck.
 

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Converting a C43 to a C55...

I recently contacted AMG in Germany some months ago and inquired about modifying my car to be a C55. Unfortunately, only a C43 can be converted to be a C55 for a modest price of 25,000 Euros in Germany at AMG's facility excluding taxes and shipping. All other spec w202 C-classes would require to many changes to be a C55. If you got a C43 go for it!!!
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Converting a C43 to a C55 isn't an entirely difficult affair because the C43's chassis has...

Converting a C43 to a C55 isn't an entirely difficult affair because the C43's chassis has reinforced structural points that differ from the original spec chassis cars. This is done to compensate for the added weight of the V8, which makes the car extrememly nose-heavy under serious driving. Not entirely a bolt-in procedure, but in my opinion it is definately a feasible alternative than to finding one and buying one for $30+K.
Hell, earlier this year I did a 5.0L installation in a W124 chassis. Not an original 500E, but just as fun when I tested it out [8D]. Personally, I would love to do a W202 C55 conversion, even maybe a W203 C60. Have you ever even heard of that? The possibilities are endless with the chassis.
 

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Re: Converting a C43 to a C55 isn't an entirely difficult affair because the C43's chassis

Converting a C43 to a C55 isn't an entirely difficult affair because the C43's chassis has reinforced structural points that differ from the original spec chassis cars. This is done to compensate for the added weight of the V8, which makes the car extrememly nose-heavy under serious driving.
That's a very interesting statement, considering the V8 weighs less than the inline six (M104) fitted to the 1994-1997 (MY) C280 and C36.

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Re: Converting a C43 to a C55...

I recently contacted AMG in Germany some months ago and inquired about modifying my car to be a C55. Unfortunately, only a C43 can be converted to be a C55 for a modest price of 25,000 Euros in Germany at AMG's facility excluding taxes and shipping. All other spec w202 C-classes would require to many changes to be a C55. If you got a C43 go for it!!!
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The C43 conversion to C55 (when done at AMG's facility) includes more than just dropping the engine in.

It includes most of the modifications performed to the CLK55, such as bigger transmission pumps, improved transmission program, heavier driveline (hubs and half shafts from R129), etc.

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Re: Re: Converting a C43 to a C55 isn't an entirely difficult affair because the C43's chassis

That's a very interesting statement, considering the V8 weighs less than the inline six (M104) fitted to the 1994-1997 (MY) C280 and C36.

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It is true that the 4.3 V8 is actually 20kg less than the inline six, but the overall weight of the C43 is 1570kg, as compared to 1490kg, the weight of a C280. The C55 is heavier than them both. I suppose that added weight comes from the additional upgrades (suspension, transmission, brakes, etc.) needed to sufficently harness the power. Either way, the chassis of the AMG models must be reinforced to some degree.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Converting a C43 to a C55 isn't an entirely difficult affair because the C43's

That's a very interesting statement, considering the V8 weighs less than the inline six (M104) fitted to the 1994-1997 (MY) C280 and C36.

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It is true that the 4.3 V8 is actually 20kg less than the inline six, but the overall weight of the C43 is 1570kg, as compared to 1490kg, the weight of a C280. The C55 is heavier than them both. I suppose that added weight comes from the additional upgrades (suspension, transmission, brakes, etc.) needed to sufficently harness the power. Either way, the chassis of the AMG models must be reinforced to some degree.
You said "added weight of the V8" but now you compare a C43 v. a C280, and state that the engine is lighter. The C36 does not have a V8 and weighs more than a C43.

I am just looking for accuracy in statements, thanks.

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Re: Re: Re: Converting a C43 to a C55 isn't an entirely difficult affair because the C43's cha

It is true that the 4.3 V8 is actually 20kg less than the inline six, but the overall weight of the C43 is 1570kg, as compared to 1490kg, the weight of a C280.
er, no, this 280 has the alloy V6 - the older one was heavier again. You will find that the weight difference is all in the upgraded running gear, oh, and two extra cylinders...
The 202 did not need any stiffners - if anything it needed some removed!
 

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I have such a car & have been thihking of selling, where are you from
How much Kevin?
I might know someone interested.
I would have been until I got a trade in price on mine the other day against the new 203 55 which was a joke, so have gone right off cars for now!
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Converting a C43 to a C55 isn't an entirely difficult affair because the C43's

It is true that the 4.3 V8 is actually 20kg less than the inline six, but the overall weight of the C43 is 1570kg, as compared to 1490kg, the weight of a C280.
er, no, this 280 has the alloy V6 - the older one was heavier again. You will find that the weight difference is all in the upgraded running gear, oh, and two extra cylinders...
The 202 did not need any stiffners - if anything it needed some removed!
So are you saying that the Alloy V6 in the C280 was lighter than 4.3 V8? Are you suggesting that the "two extra cylinders" increase the weight of the C43? Clarification needed.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Converting a C43 to a C55 isn't an entirely difficult affair because the C43's

That's a very interesting statement, considering the V8 weighs less than the inline six (M104) fitted to the 1994-1997 (MY) C280 and C36.

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It is true that the 4.3 V8 is actually 20kg less than the inline six, but the overall weight of the C43 is 1570kg, as compared to 1490kg, the weight of a C280. The C55 is heavier than them both. I suppose that added weight comes from the additional upgrades (suspension, transmission, brakes, etc.) needed to sufficently harness the power. Either way, the chassis of the AMG models must be reinforced to some degree.
You said "added weight of the V8" but now you compare a C43 v. a C280, and state that the engine is lighter. The C36 does not have a V8 and weighs more than a C43.

I am just looking for accuracy in statements, thanks.

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Where do I say "the added weight of the V8"? That's not what I said...read my quote. Apparently, the added weight comes from the running gear, not the V8 motor.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Converting a C43 to a C55 isn't an entirely difficult affair because the C43's

It is true that the 4.3 V8 is actually 20kg less than the inline six, but the overall weight of the C43 is 1570kg, as compared to 1490kg, the weight of a C280.
er, no, this 280 has the alloy V6 - the older one was heavier again. You will find that the weight difference is all in the upgraded running gear, oh, and two extra cylinders...
The 202 did not need any stiffners - if anything it needed some removed!
Check the specs. The C43 car weighs more than a C280, although the V8 isn't heavier than the inline six. Also, if you were building a high performance car, wouldn't removing stiffeners compromise handling?
 

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Hello again, I have also been asking about the new 55, only to be told that it will be some time next year but no costings yet.They thought i should be asking for in excess of 30k.The other car i have been thinking about (as my kids are to big for the 911) is the new M5,but no firm date has been set but 500 bhp sounds like alot of fun !!!. I have been driving a X5 for a few weeks & that is better than expected. Do you still heve your 911 ?
 

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I certainly think the high twenties at least. It is a special market though - more so than any other car so it will be a question of waiting for someone with the committment..
I'll put it to my friend, but don't hold breath, he has an M3, and I think little money...

No, the 911 has gone pon an early trade in with a 911/4 on order for March. Or maybe a Cayenne (ugh) - but its her money, so have to go with it.

Rather than the M5 - and lets face it, the traps on the roads now are too prolific so that you can never begin to use 500hp - is the new 6 Series which sounds pretty good, on course to put Mercedes in the dark.
 

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C Class weights...

It is true that the 4.3 V8 is actually 20kg less than the inline six, but the overall weight of the C43 is 1570kg, as compared to 1490kg, the weight of a C280.



Check the specs. The C43 car weighs more than a C280, although the V8 isn't heavier than the inline six. Also, if you were building a high performance car, wouldn't removing stiffeners compromise handling?
This should answer your questions:

Early C280 - 1520 Kgs. Cast in line 6.
C36 - 1610 Kgs. Cast inline 6.
The C36 is an evolution of the 280 - other than bumber and skirts, same body, but a reworked engine and heavier running gear.

Later C280 - 1480 Kgs. Alloy V6
C43 - 1570 Kgs. Alloy V8.
C32 - 1560 Kgs. Alloy V6
The C43, as the 36, is an evolution on what is basically the 280. Again same body other than reworked skirts and bumpers, the 430 V8 engine and heavier running gear.
The C55 came in very limited numbers, much the same as the 43, but with the normal aspirated AMG 55 V8 and weighed 1600 Kgs.
The C32 is the current model, same Alloy V6 (but bored and stroked for 3.2L) with forced aspiration.

Weights are approx, but show that differences are due to newer engines and running gear and not body.
The 202 was built like a tank and needed little stiffening - although the 203 C32 model admits to being stronger than the 202 to take the same 340+ hp that the 202 C55 was providing, implying that MB did not think the 202 was strong enough...
 

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[8D]Thanks for clearing that up. We have different models over here in the states, so so...

[8D]Thanks for clearing that up. We have different models over here in the states, so sometime information gets [email protected]$$# up.
 

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Re: C Class weights...

It is true that the 4.3 V8 is actually 20kg less than the inline six, but the overall weight of the C43 is 1570kg, as compared to 1490kg, the weight of a C280.



Check the specs. The C43 car weighs more than a C280, although the V8 isn't heavier than the inline six. Also, if you were building a high performance car, wouldn't removing stiffeners compromise handling?
This should answer your questions:

Early C280 - 1520 Kgs. Cast in line 6.
C36 - 1610 Kgs. Cast inline 6.
The C36 is an evolution of the 280 - other than bumber and skirts, same body, but a reworked engine and heavier running gear.

Later C280 - 1480 Kgs. Alloy V6
C43 - 1570 Kgs. Alloy V8.
C32 - 1560 Kgs. Alloy V6
The C43, as the 36, is an evolution on what is basically the 280. Again same body other than reworked skirts and bumpers, the 430 V8 engine and heavier running gear.
The C55 came in very limited numbers, much the same as the 43, but with the normal aspirated AMG 55 V8 and weighed 1600 Kgs.
The C32 is the current model, same Alloy V6 (but bored and stroked for 3.2L) with forced aspiration.

Weights are approx, but show that differences are due to newer engines and running gear and not body.
The 202 was built like a tank and needed little stiffening - although the 203 C32 model admits to being stronger than the 202 to take the same 340+ hp that the 202 C55 was providing, implying that MB did not think the 202 was strong enough...

Correction..

C43 was born from Mercedes 4.3L V-8 which also found on CLK430 and E430.
However for C43 AMG put more aggressive CAM, tuned ECU, and more Free Flow Exhaust on C43.

E430/CLK430 275hp/295lb-ft
C43 302hp/302lb-ft


Regardz,

J Irwan
 
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