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I am starting this thread in hopes to put together as much info as possible about what this car had and if known where to get it. I am currently building an EVO II Replica and I want to put together a list of all known Parts and suppliers that anyone knows of. This will include

Engine such as 2.3 to 2.5 evo modding , 2.5-16 engines & managment system etc

Transmission it was different who knows,

Drivetrain The gearing was different was that all

Suspension it was adjustable how did it work,

Interior there was certain seats and steering wheel what all interior parts where different,

Exterior such as body kits and wheels.

Below is a list of stuff that was found to do this in the states. Parts will be added to list below as members reply with parts and numbers.

Body Kit


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Engine
NOTHING YET

Transmission
190E 2.3 16V (201.034 chassis) 717.404
190E 2.5 16V (201.035 chassis) 717.404
190E 2.5 16V Evolution (201.036 chassis) 717.404




Wheels

From Dealer Part #66470084 $480 each (can be bought in the US)

Interior
NOTHING YET


Suspension

No. Part no. Name
005 2013263665 TORSION BAR REAR
008 2013261081 RUBBER MOUNTING TORSION BAR TO FRAME
011 1233260926 CLAMP TORSION BAR TO FRAME
014 914125008322 SCREW TORSION BAR TO FRAME
020 1243200289 ROD FROM TORSION BAR TO SPRING CONTROL ARM
023 913021010001 NUT ROD TO TORSION BAR
026 000931008327 SCREW ROD TO SPRING CONTROL ARM
029 913004008004 NUT ROD TO SPRING CONTROL ARM



Braking system

NOTHING YET





SPECIFICATIONS

Bodywork Type: 4/5S SAL

Number of doors: 4

Dimensions

Wheelbase: 2665 mm 104.92 in

Track front: 1474 mm 58.03 in

Track rear: 1453 mm 57.20 in

Length: 4543 mm 178.85 in

Width: 1720 mm 67.71 in

Kerb weight: 1340 kg 2954.19 lb

Fuel capacity: 70 l 18.49 US gal

Aerodynamics

Drag coefficient: 0.3

Engine Type: 4-S DOHC 4 valves per cylinder

Bore x stroke: 97.30 mm. × 82.80 mm.

Bore / stroke ratio: 1.17

Displacement: 2463 cc 150.30 cu in

Compression: 9.7

Fuel system: Bo KE-Jet fuel inj.

Aspiration: Normal

Max. output: 238.2 PS (235 bph) (175.2 kW) @ 7200 rpm

Max. torque: 246 Nm (181.4 lbft) (25 kgm) @ 5000 rpm

Coolant: Water

Specific torque: N/A

Performance

0-100km/h: 2.1 s

Top speed: 250

Chasis

Engine location: Front

Engine alignment: Longitudinal

Steering: recirculating ball PAS

Turns lock-to-lock: 2.8

Turning circle: 11.6

Suspension front: I.S.CS.W.ARB.HLC.

Suspension rear: I.MLS.CS.ARB.HLC.

Brakes: VeDi/Di-S-ABS

Transmission: 5M

Drive: R

Top gear ratio: 1

Final drive ratio: 3.46




The Engine
The Cosworth engine was based on the 2.3-liter 8-valve 136 hp (101 kW) unit already fitted to the 190- and E-class series. Cosworth developed the cylinder head, "applying knowledge we've learnt from the DFC and BDA". It was made from light alloy using Coscast's unique casting process and brought with it dual overhead camshafts and four valves per cylinder, meaning 16 valves total which were developed to be the "largest that could practically be fitted into the combustion chamber".

In roadgoing trim the 190E 2.3-16 produced 49 hp (36 kW) and 41 ft·lbf (55 N·m) of torque over the basic single overhead cam 2.3 engine on which it was based. The 2.3 L 16 valve engine made "185 hp (137 kW) at 6,200 rpm and 174 ft·lbf (235 N·m) at 4,500 rpm, the oversquare 95.50 x 80.25 mm bore and stroke dimensions ensuring that it revs easily up to the 7000 rpm redline"[4]. Acceleration from 0-100 km/h (62 mph) was 8.0 seconds, and the top speed was 230 km/h (143 mph).

US-Specification cars had a slightly reduced compression ratio (9.7:1 instead of 10.5:1), and were rated at 167 hp (125 kW) @ 5800 rpm and 162 lb·ft (220 N·m) @ 4750.

The roadgoing version of the engine was reconfigured with reduced inlet and exhaust port sizes, different camshaft profiles, no dry sump configuration and Bosch K-jetronic replacing the specialised Kugelfischer fuel injection. These changes helped bring power down to the required 185 bhp (138 kW) specification, but still resulted in a "remarkably flexible engine, with a very flat torque curve and a wide power band". The heads for the engines were cast at Cosworth's Coscast foundry in Worcester and sent to Germany to be fitted to the rest of the engine, parts of which were different from the standard 2.3 including light pressed alloy pistons, and rings designed to withstand higher engine speeds, whilst con-rods, bearings and bearing caps were found to be strong enough as standard and left unaltered.

The 2.5 model
An enlarged 2.5 L engine replaced the 2.3 L in 1988 having double valve timing chain comparing to single chain that easy snapped at early 2.3 engines and increased output by 17 hp (12.5 kW) with a slight increase in torque. For the European market without catalyst the car delivered 202 bhp (150 kW). Catalyst equipped 2.5-16s produced a slightly reduced 197 bhp (147 kW). It is debated whether the 2.5 L engine was developed and built by Mercedes or Cosworth. Mercedes was not keen to broadcast the fact that their most sporting saloon car has an engine developed by a British company. However some cylinder heads from 2.5 L cars are stamped with the Coscast logo indicating they were cast at Cosworth's foundry just like the 2.3s. Cosworth also list a Project code "WAB" for the development of the 2.5-16 cylinder head just as they do for the 2.3-16 cylinder head

The Evolution models
With the debut of the BMW M3 Sport Evolution, Mercedes' direct competitor, it became obvious that the 2.5-16 needed a boost for the circuit. In March 1989, the 190E 2.5-16 Evolution debuted at the Geneva Auto Show. The Evo I, as it came to be called, had a new spoiler and wider wheel arches. Many changes were to under-the-skin components such as brakes and suspension. There was a full SLS suspension allowing vehicle ride height to be adjusted from an interior switch. All were intended to allow the Evolution cars to be even more effective round a track.

The Evo I's output similar to the 202 bhp (151 kW) of the "regular" 2.5-16. However this car had a redesigned engine of similar capacity but, most importantly, a shorter stroke and bigger bore which would allow for a higher rev limit and improved top-end power capabilities. Additional changes stretch to "rotating masses lightened, lubrication improved and cam timing altered". Cosworth also list a project code "WAC" for the development of the short-stroke Evolution engine.

Only 502 units of the Evolution model were produced for homologation in compliance with DTM rules. For those customers desiring even more performance, a PowerPack option engineered by AMG was available for DM 18,000. The PowerPack option included hotter camshafts, a larger diameter throttle body, more aggressive ignition and fuel management as well as optimization of the intake and exhaust systems. The net result was an additional 30 bhp (22 kW).

In March 1990, at the Geneva Auto Show, the 190E 2.5-16 Evolution II was shown. With the success of the first Evolution model, this model's 502-unit production was already sold before it was unveiled. This car retailed in 1990 for USD $80,000.

The "Evo II" included the AMG PowerPack fitted to the same short stroke 2.5 engine as the Evolution, as well as a full SLS suspension allowing vehicle ride height to be adjusted from an interior switch. An obvious modification to the Evolution II is a radical body kit (designed by Prof. Richard Eppler from the University of Stuttgart) with a large adjustable rear wing, rear window spoiler, and Evolution II 17 inch wheels. The kit served an aerodynamic purpose — it was wind tunnel tested to reduce drag to 0.29, while at the same time increasing downforce. Period anecdotes tell of a BMW executive who was quoted as saying "if that rear wing works, we'll have to redesign our wind tunnel." The anecdote claims that BMW did.

As mentioned 502 were made in "blauschwarz" blue/black metallic. But the last two, numbers 501 and 502 were made in astral silver.

The 16v AMG Power pack
Available only to 2.5-16 and Evolution I models, optional AMG Power Pack increased power to 224 bhp (166 kW) at 7,200 rpm and torque to 181 lb·ft (245 N·m) at 5,000 rpm, whilst pushing the top speed up to 155 mph. In their final incarnations, these engines produced up to 300 bhp (220 kW) in racing tune.

This is probably one of the most informative sites I have found in reference to the Evo II Mercedes-Benz 2.5-16v Evolution II
 

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Trying recreate an EVO II, from scratch, would be an expensive project.

Nearly completely different 2.5-16 engine internals and drivetrain, including TG differential.
Front SLS system
Different wheel liners
Different rear seat to fit wider rear tub
Different rear trunk lid
Brakes - four piston Brembo

Probably more, this was just from memory.

Update:

The engine has the bore and stroke of the Evo I, but almost almost every other internal component was revised.

The oil pump became chain driven.
The block was altered to suit the pump and four of the eight balancing counterweights were removed.
Lightened crankshaft and rebalanced to offset the loss of the counterweights.
Stronger tappets and valve springs
High-lift cams, which brought valve lift to 10.7mm instead of 9.5mm.
The inlet and exhaust ports were gas flowed and the compression ratio was restored to the 10.5:1 of the original 2.3-16.
Larger throttle body
Bosch Motronic, but with a re-programmed ECU.

Fully progressive limited slip differential with a locking ratio that varied from 0 to 100 percent. Using sensors in its electronics and hydraulics.
 

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I dont want to down any1 attempt to build a evo2 but it will take you $10,000 (Exterior only)to build the car not including the price of the car and hoping you car is a 16V to start with.

Now you will need to get the right suspension adjustable Camber arms, camber plates, New bushings, New shocks, H&R springs and new spring pads.



Some of the grinned off part is the area that needs to be cut off



Making the wheel well walls



^ not my car
 

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Just curious since I have never done a kit. Since the "White" parts were painted off the car, they are clipped and screwed and therefore removable like the later stock side skirts?

I assumed you had to mount permanently and the body shop would have to blend in then paint. Not to mention the extra cutting in the Evo II kits case, wow.

Sorry, a noob. I just realized my skirts come off after looking at them, I can see a thin Rubber seal against the body. No way would you want to paint the joint.


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the front swaybar used on the 2.3-16 is the same used throughout the 16V lineup (2.3, 2.5, EVO, EVO II). i think it even has a notch in it to mount the regulator rod on the front SLS.
 

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Every body says the bodywork is very hard I bought a 1986 190E 2.3 16V and am hoping to convert it to a Evo II replica can anybody give me a set of directions as to how to cut and fit the new body flares (body kit) as this way I can research with the local body shops as far as finding one well qualified to do the work..
 

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You have to wonder why the seller posted a picture of a REAL Evolution II and not one of his actual car. ;)
 

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did anybody see his 0-100km/h he said it was 2.1 seconds
wasnt it 6.8?
it would be the DTM tuned evo2's that would do close to 2.1 even then thats way to quick
 

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The Mercedes spec for the 2.5-16 Evolution II, 0-100 km/hr is 7.1 seconds

The non-US 2.3-16 did it in 7.9 and the never sold in the US 2.5-16 did it a nick faster at 7.7 seconds.
 

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where can i get the suspension off an EVO II for my 190E 2.3L? and will it bolt on or will i need to make modifications?
 

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where can i get the suspension off an EVO II for my 190E 2.3L? and will it bolt on or will i need to make modifications?
Go to the junkyard and find an EVO II, they are a dime a dozen ;)
Let me know how it goes, I will be interested in your new setup to be.
 

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Go to the junkyard and find an EVO II, they are a dime a dozen ;)
Let me know how it goes, I will be interested in your new setup to be.
ha ha if i could find a EVO II in a junk yard i would do what ever to take her home with me....i have yet to see a mercedes EVO II in person...:crybaby2:
 

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I dont know why you would want to do this. But anyway whatever you do, do it with a 2.3 or 2.6, dont ruin a perfectly good (or bad) 16v.
 

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The evo2 had front and rear SLS. You would need the whole SLS system and that wont be cheap. I don't even think the SLS pump will bolt up to the normal 2.3. Your better off getting an Air ride suspension
dang, guess i never put much thought into what makes em work lol....know of any lowering kits that are fairly cheap but still handle/ride good or even better?
 

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My 2 cents:
Why not wait 4 more years until the Federal 25yrs exemption clears and import it from Europe or Japan (generally better condition since so many Canadians are doing it).

Check out Pistonheads (MCP Motorsport : Mercedes Evolution II 190 LHD) or ‚•iŽ¿‚ȃƒ‹ƒZƒfƒX‚Ì‚Ý‚¨‹q—l‚ցIJ-AUTOƒuƒƒO (there are a couple on sale). If you build, you'll be spending tons of money & never recover that money, & no guarantee it will drive & handle like an EVO2. Buy one, who knows it may appreciate in value, at least it won't depreciate much.

Or do what the guys in M5board.com are doing, following Japanese auction sites www.ussauction.com (google for pwd). Mint M5s are selling for < $15K.
 

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Fevos look like shit no matter how much money you put into it, but it will still not even come close to the real cost of an evoI or evoII.
Super7 buy some springs and get some bistein HD shocks or just cut your stock springs or buy my stock 16V springs for cheeeap and keep them as are or cut a coil or 2 and get that quality low ride your looking for.
 

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Fevos look like shit no matter how much money you put into it, but it will still not even come close to the real cost of an evoI or evoII.
Super7 buy some springs and get some bistein HD shocks or just cut your stock springs or buy my stock 16V springs for cheeeap and keep them as are or cut a coil or 2 and get that quality low ride your looking for.
thats not a bad i dea....i like how your black 190 is sitting in your pic...thats what im kinda shooting for in ride height.
 
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