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i've heard and seen many people list various w140's as 's320v' or s500w'....what exactly do such letters mean?
 

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what happened to using L for long wheelbase...because i've seen 's320l' on cars also...w140's.

thanks for the info though.
 

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W as in W140 stands for Wagen - German for auto body. Thus the W140 is the 140 body style. There are others that are consistent across the DB line.
SL - sports-light
C - Coupe
K - Kompressor (supercharger)
L - Long
D - Diesel
M - Motor (M117, M116, etc.)
E - Einspritz (injected)

MB recently screwed the whole thing up when the started putting the leters before the numbers, instead of after. A 450SLC used to mean a light sports coupe with a 4.5 liter engine and was easy to decode. If the engine was different in a car, it was sometimes indicated with the displacement after the "standard" numbers, such as a "450SEL 6.3" or "190D 2.3". Now we have the C230 which is a "C" class car and an E420 which is an E class car, nothing to do with coupe or injected.

Stick around on the board for a while and you will start to "decode" these numbers.[:)]
 

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JNLeChevet - 5/1/2005 2:02 AM

W as in W140 stands for Wagen - German for auto body. Thus the W140 is the 140 body style. There are others that are consistent across the DB line.
SL - sports-light
C - Coupe
K - Kompressor (supercharger)
L - Long
D - Diesel
M - Motor (M117, M116, etc.)
E - Einspritz (injected)

MB recently screwed the whole thing up when the started putting the leters before the numbers, instead of after. A 450SLC used to mean a light sports coupe with a 4.5 liter engine and was easy to decode. If the engine was different in a car, it was sometimes indicated with the displacement after the "standard" numbers, such as a "450SEL 6.3" or "190D 2.3". Now we have the C230 which is a "C" class car and an E420 which is an E class car, nothing to do with coupe or injected.

Stick around on the board for a while and you will start to "decode" these numbers.[:)]
So what's the "R" for..? As in R129 or R230..? Roadster..?
 

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JNLeChevet - 5/1/2005 2:02 AM

W as in W140 stands for Wagen - German for auto body. Thus the W140 is the 140 body style. There are others that are consistent across the DB line.
SL - sports-light
C - Coupe
K - Kompressor (supercharger)
L - Long
D - Diesel
M - Motor (M117, M116, etc.)
E - Einspritz (injected)

MB recently screwed the whole thing up when the started putting the leters before the numbers, instead of after. A 450SLC used to mean a light sports coupe with a 4.5 liter engine and was easy to decode. If the engine was different in a car, it was sometimes indicated with the displacement after the "standard" numbers, such as a "450SEL 6.3" or "190D 2.3". Now we have the C230 which is a "C" class car and an E420 which is an E class car, nothing to do with coupe or injected.

Stick around on the board for a while and you will start to "decode" these numbers.[:)]
So what's the "R" for..? As in R129 or R230..? Roadster..?
 

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ErikFinn,

Yes, R is for roadster except for the "pagoda" SLs which for some reason are W113s.

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Thanks Chris!
I see you have a R107; I'm jealous...! [:)]
I love that car, I'd love to have a late LHD SL560 someday... With US headlights...[8D]
And it is "R"107 isn't it, not "W"107? You sometimes see people refer to it as "W"...

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ErikFinn - 9/14/2005 1:34 AM

Thanks Chris!
I see you have a R107; I'm jealous...! [:)]
I love that car, I'd love to have a late LHD SL560 someday... With US headlights...[8D]
And it is "R"107 isn't it, not "W"107? You sometimes see people refer to it as "W"...

Erik
It's R107 or C107, if it's an SLC. So you want a 560SL, huh? Like mine?
 

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Oh yes please...! [:D]
And the right color as well...! [:p][:p]
Metal Gold..?
Only thing is the US models have less power than German ones due to stricter emission control..? I think the German one made 300HP..?
Love the US headlights..! [:p]
Otherwise that's just perfect, tan interior as well! Leather..? The only way for me!!!

When I bought my -93 SL500 I would have actually preferred a late SL560 R107. But they are extremely rare in UK where I lived. Not to mention finding a LHD as the brits drive on the wrong side of the road..!

[:D]

 

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ErikFinn,

The R107 560SL was produced for the US market. In Europe we got the 500SL. Having said that Sisu a German/Scandinavian based poster recently posted that quite a few 560SLs were finding their way back to Germany and quite a lot were for sale.

Left hand drive too! The Euro 560SECs certainly had 300hp (the coupe of the W126 S Class)but the 500SL produced 245hp. Not that much more than the US 560SL.

From information that Ike has previously posted the performance of the 560 and 500 looks pretty similar.

All SLs are special cars but the R107 does have something about it that makes you grin. It combines all the best Daimler Benz virtues in a stylish package that you can use everyday. What I particularly like is the feeling of being connected to the car. Modern cars isolate you.

Hope you get your wish. In the meantime the R107 forum is a good place to visit and Ike is a really helpful and enthusiastic host.

Chris.
 

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SSL - 9/15/2005 11:12 PM

ErikFinn,

The R107 560SL was produced for the US market. In Europe we got the 500SL. Having said that Sisu a German/Scandinavian based poster recently posted that quite a few 560SLs were finding their way back to Germany and quite a lot were for sale.

Left hand drive too! The Euro 560SECs certainly had 300hp (the coupe of the W126 S Class)but the 500SL produced 245hp. Not that much more than the US 560SL.

From information that Ike has previously posted the performance of the 560 and 500 looks pretty similar.

All SLs are special cars but the R107 does have something about it that makes you grin. It combines all the best Daimler Benz virtues in a stylish package that you can use everyday. What I particularly like is the feeling of being connected to the car. Modern cars isolate you.

Hope you get your wish. In the meantime the R107 forum is a good place to visit and Ike is a really helpful and enthusiastic host.

Chris.
Thanks for your info Chris, I appreciate it!
Now that you mentioned I recall yes, 560SL was not for sale in Europe, what a pitty. However, I recall reading from one of the British MB magazines that 560SL was available in Australia, RHD drive though, so would make an excellent import to UK... If you are enthusiastic enough and don't mind shipping from down under, that is...[:D]

Sisu has a R129 SL500, I've seen his posts on the R129 forum, I'll check the R107 forum as well, thanks. Unfortunately currently it is not feasible for me to import from Germany as the Finnish government would slap something like a 10 - 20K Euro tax on it. So much for the common market for the ordinary citizens...[:(!] ("Every animal is egual on this farm but some animals are more equal than the others...")[:(!]

One question though (although I realise this a W140 forum, not R107, but since we started already..), you mentioned the Euro W126 560SEC had 300HP; does it share the same engine with the R107 560SL...? If yes, would it be relaticely easy to update the US 560SL engine to match the performance of the 300HP Euro 560SEC..?

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The Euro 560SEC had more like 282hp, due to no Cats and no EGR etc.

Will Suomi let you import a 560SL form the US? Why would they tax a 15-20 year old car?
 

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No, Suomi won't...

I'd have to live in US for more than 6 months and own the car for more than 6 months in the US before I could import tax free. Additionally, because I just imported my R129 SL500 from UK tax free (lived in UK for 5 years), I'd have to wait something like 2-3 years before I could do it again... There might be a limit on the age of the car though for the tax free, I think it used to be 25 years... Not sure what it is now...

I always say Finland is more communistic than Russia, and I think it's true. Well, the right word would really be "socialistic" but that sounds too nice IMHO...[:D]

On the other hand we don't have much poverty here, but on the other hand you can't become very rich either, the government takes care of that, we have the world's highest taxation here in Scandinavia... Gas is +7USD/ US Gallon, Income tax can be more than 50%...

Did the SEC and SL share the same basic 5.6L engine though..?
 

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ErikFinn,

Regards your question about upgrading US Spec 560SL to match output of Euro 560SEC I am not qualified to comment. Logically the US specced cars were designed to meet US emission regulations so that presumably would need to be reversed.

Is the engine the same? Offhand I do not know for certain but I suspect that they are basically the same. (M117?)

Ike, as to output I have had a previous discussion with another US based poster who questioned the output of Euro 560s. His view was that they came with 242hp,279hp and very rarely 300hp. The latter was the ECE engine and had no catalytic converter.

However, by 1987 DB had refined the cat so that by that year all UK 560SECs, at least, had 300hp with the catalytic converter on board.

Chris.
 

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SSL - 9/15/2005 3:04 PM

ErikFinn,

Regards your question about upgrading US Spec 560SL to match output of Euro 560SEC I am not qualified to comment. Logically the US specced cars were designed to meet US emission regulations so that presumably would need to be reversed.
It would need to be reversed and it's a fairly painful process. I'd just leave it be, the car is plenty quick in US guise.

SSL
Is the engine the same? Offhand I do not know for certain but I suspect that they are basically the same. (M117?)
Basically yes, althought the SEC used a slightly different intake. (two inlets rather than one).
 
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