[IWantedaJag]

Big problem was, when the Kurds and Marsh Arabs rose up, daddy Bush didn't support them at all.

Other reason daddy Bush didn't topple Saddam was probably because older, wiser, heads predicted what did in fact happen after Saddam was toppled. A case of better the devil you know.

 

[stockdill]

he always said the american people gave him the mission to free kuwait-

he got the world behind it and did it. and left.

took a lot of heat for it, even from his own son

 

[Teutone]

Back on subject, I'm reading somewhere that Russia is to deploy several hundred "military advisors" to Iran, not to mention a shitload of fighter jets, warships and submarines (in the Persian Gulf?!! - you'll be able to SEE them from the air!) to Iranian bases. Syria is already a de facto Russian proxy, could Iran become so too? Is Vlad's strategy to control access to Gulf oil and therefore force countries to buy Russian crude?

In general, Russians are not well liked in Iran. Because ancient treaties going back to Zarist times, oil exploration in Iran's North along the Caspian Sea has to somehow involve Russia. When oil was found there during the Shah's time, the wells were promptly capped.

Historical precedents:
In 1941, both the UK and USSR invaded Iranian territory. There was a short lived Soviet Republic of Gilan (a Iranian province along the Caspian), the proxy Socialist Republic of Mahabad, Autonomous Republic of Azerbaijan (the Iranian part), and there was another short time enclave near the border with Turkmenistan (forgot the name).

 

[Teutone]

U.S. Sanctions Turn Iran’s Oil Industry Into Spy vs. Spy

U.S. Sanctions Turn Iran’s Oil Industry Into Spy vs. Spy

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/08/world/middleeast/iran-oil-sanctions-spying.html

 

[Teutone]

Gibraltar Supreme Court says Iranian tanker is free to sail

Gibraltar Supreme Court says Iranian tanker is free to sail
Ruling to release vessel that was commandeered by UK came despite last-minute US attempt to detain it.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/08/gibraltar-supreme-court-iranian-tanker-free-sail-190815141537675.html

 

[Teutone]

US issues warrant to seize Iranian tanker off Gibraltar

US issues warrant to seize Iranian tanker off Gibraltar

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/17/us-issues-warrant-to-seize-iranian-tanker-off-gibraltar.html

 

[Shane]

U have to wonder if all this borderline walking is worth it as usual.

 

[Teutone]

Reporter's Notebook: Here's How Iran Is Functioning In The Face Of Sanctions

Reporter's Notebook: Here's How Iran Is Functioning In The Face Of Sanctions

The Iranian capital remains vibrant. But inflation has soared, and in a week of reporting in Tehran, NPR's Steve Inskeep found some residents openly critical of their government.

www.npr.org

 

[GreenT]

This is how wars start....

 

[CHILCUTT]

"The Saudi's have been attacked".

What the Fukc are they doing to Yemen.
That video is discusting.

 

[sualk54]

Kinda ironic that the run time on the video shows as 9:11 😈

 

[stockdill]

This is how wars start....


i give him two weeks

 

[GreenT]

Now that we will have forces on the ground there if any of them happens to be shot or killed the excuse for an attack on Iran it's a given.

 

[GreenT]

"The Saudi's have been attacked".

What the Fukc are they doing to Yemen.
That video is discusting.

What about Yemen...


On 21 March 2015, after taking over Sanaʽa and the Yemeni government, the Houthi-led Supreme Revolutionary Committee declared a general mobilization to overthrow Hadi and expand their control by driving into southern provinces. The Houthi offensive, allied with military forces loyal to Saleh, began fighting the next day in Lahij Governorate. By 25 March, Lahij fell to the Houthis and they reached the outskirts of Aden, the seat of power for Hadi's government.Hadi fled the country the same day.

Concurrently, a coalition led by Saudi Arabia launched military operations by using air strikes to restore the former Yemeni government. The United States provided intelligence and logistical support for the campaign. According to the UN and other sources, from March 2015 to December 2017, between 8,670–13,600 people were killed in Yemen, including more than 5,200 civilians, as well as estimates of more than 50,000 dead as a result of an ongoing famine due to the war.

The conflict has been widely seen as an extension of the Iran–Saudi Arabia proxy conflict and as a means to combat Iranian influence in the region. In 2018, the United Nations warned that 13 million Yemeni civilians face starvation in what it says could become "the worst famine in the world in 100 years."

The international community has sharply condemned the Saudi Arabian-led bombing campaign, which has included widespread bombing of civilian areas. The bombing campaign has killed or injured an estimated 17,729 civilians as of March 2019 according to the Yemen Data Project. Despite this, the crisis has only recently begun to gain as much international media attention as the Syrian Civil War.

The US has been providing bombs to aid the Saudi forces and airstrikes in Yemen. In March 2019, this has led the United States Senate to pass a resolution to end US support of Saudi Arabia. It has since been vetoed by President of the United States Donald Trump, and in May, the Senate failed to override the veto.

 

[CHILCUTT]

Sell some more weapons to the Desert Hogs in Sordid Arabia

 

[GreenT]

The point is all the allies we have are client states... SA, Israel. Those that don't buy weapons from us are pariah states that could die of starvation for all we care.

 

[Teutone]

It used to be so much easier in the old day's. Usually the reverse of obvious. If after attacks AK47's were found, chances were the arms were supplied by CIA.
If the Russian's were actually behind something, M16's were more likely to be found. And so forth.

Rocket's and sophisticated drones may not be as available in the international or underground arms market.
Well. drones more likely, but who will provide the expertise and training aside from the US and China.
Beside the surprising technological sophistication attributed to Iran, there is oil producer Russia who would profit from higher oil prices, and lets not forget that apart from Iran, Israel probably has the more advanced technology and capability with both drones and rockets.

Yemen's Houhti offer to discontinue drone / rocket attacks towards KSA came as a surprise.
Did someone make an offer Iran couldn't top?

 

[Teutone]

Saudi Arabia and Iran Make Quiet Openings to Head Off War

Saudi Arabia and Iran Make Quiet Openings to Head Off War

Weeks after the Middle East seemed on the verge of war, Saudi Arabia and Iran are seeking ways to ease tensions. A warming relationship could have far-reaching consequences.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Teutone]

Iran says Chinese state oil firm has withdrawn from $5bn deal

Iran says Chinese state oil firm has withdrawn from $5bn deal

The Chinese company has pulled out of the deal in what appears to be the latest economic setback due to US sanctions.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Teutone]

Explosions on Iranian oil tanker off Jeddah's coast cause spill

Explosions on Iranian oil tanker off Jeddah's coast cause spill

Suspected rocket attack damages Iranian vessel causing an oil leak off Saudi Arabia's port city of Jeddah.

www.aljazeera.com