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Iran's foreign minister yesterday said, Iran would agree and fully cooperate with full nuclear inspections, if the US dropped all sanctions.
 

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It has never been about nuclear weapons, it has always been about having a big scary boogeyman in the heart of the ME so Americans won't mind the billions for Israel...
 

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It’s about Iran not using dollars to buy and sell their oil. Like duh ffs. Venezuela, Libya, and Iraq did the same thing and look what happened to them. Iran should be scared shitless but maybe they are too idealistic?
 

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Iranian Intelligence apprehends 17 Iranians who are accused of spying for the CIA.
If found to be correct..most of them will be executed without delay.
 

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It’s about Iran not using dollars to buy and sell their oil. Like duh ffs. Venezuela, Libya, and Iraq did the same thing and look what happened to them. Iran should be scared shitless but maybe they are too idealistic?

Libya and Iraq were governed by sadistic and dangerous regimes that were perfect examples of brutal dictatorships that the entire world should be overjoyed to be rid of.

Venezuela's collapse is 100% the fault of the communist bozo who was micromanaging the entire economy for so long. He single handedly took the richest, most diverse economy in South America and turned it into the poorest and most pathetic.

The U.S. is a net exporter of oil. Whatever oil we import, we buy on the world market for the same price as everyone else.

The U.S. is not without sin, but making us the villain wherever and whenever some country turns to shit is a sign of a particular ideological sickness, sometimes referred to as "Blame America, First".

Not everything is about oil and not everything is our fault.
 

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Yet somehow we pick JUST THOSE dictators to overthrow in JUST THOSE countries? There are shit head, barbaric, dictators all over the damn world: Why just those? Oil is TRADED in DOLLARS and it is the currency realm worldwide. This is not debatable. Little countries who start selling oil and refusing to do it in dollars are vulnerable IF they don’t have a major ally like Russia or China. We will topple their regime by any means necessary. Guess which single country is left who doesn’t sell their oil in dollars? Starts with an I and ends with a N.
 

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^ Down with your Imperialist Yankee Petro-Dollars you infidels! We will sell you our oil for one sexy looking goat a barrel :devil
 

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Yet somehow we pick JUST THOSE dictators to overthrow in JUST THOSE countries? There are shit head, barbaric, dictators all over the damn world: Why just those? Oil is TRADED in DOLLARS and it is the currency realm worldwide. This is not debatable. Little countries who start selling oil and refusing to do it in dollars are vulnerable IF they don’t have a major ally like Russia or China. We will topple their regime by any means necessary. Guess which single country is left who doesn’t sell their oil in dollars? Starts with an I and ends with a N.
Whoa, calm down, there. Dont blow a gasket.


Remember you mentioned 3 countries.

Iraq
Libya
Venezuela

Venezuela didn't fall apart because of the United States. It was flushed down the toilet solely by the arrogant stupidity of Hugo Chavez. Any attempts to blame the United States I shall respond to with ridicule.

Notice that all I said about Libya and Iraq was that they were ruled by brutal dictators and the world is much better off with them gone. Saddam Hussein in particular was a true genocidal maniac who murdered as many as 1 million of his own citizens because they were either the wrong ethnicity or the wrong version of Islam.

The United States has a habit of overthrowing dictators regardless of how much or how little oil they have. See Afghanistan and also Kosovo. No oil there but we bombed the shit out of both countries for the stated purpose of preventing the mass murder of innocent civilians.

I think a good case can be made for the United States to stop playing sheriff of the world. If you want to say that whenever some group of peasants starts getting mowed down by it's own government we should mind our own business, then go ahead and make that case. But please stop with the Big Oil conspiracy theories being behind everything bad happening in the world.
 

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Libya and Iraq were governed by sadistic and dangerous regimes that were perfect examples of brutal dictatorships that the entire world should be overjoyed to be rid of.

Venezuela's collapse is 100% the fault of the communist bozo who was micromanaging the entire economy for so long. He single handedly took the richest, most diverse economy in South America and turned it into the poorest and most pathetic.

The U.S. is a net exporter of oil. Whatever oil we import, we buy on the world market for the same price as everyone else.

The U.S. is not without sin, but making us the villain wherever and whenever some country turns to shit is a sign of a particular ideological sickness, sometimes referred to as "Blame America, First".

Not everything is about oil and not everything is our fault.
Well, in Iran's case it is.

The 1953 Coup was orchestrated by the CIA's Kermit Roosevelt, a grandson of the US President.
In the Anglo Persian Oil Co, the Persian partner had no right to see the company's books and no right to have representation / a seat on its board.
Iran went to court, and the issue went all the way before the international court of law in the Hague.
At the same time the US had already conceded to Saudi demands and agreed to a 50/50 profit sharing of ARAMCO, the joint American-Saudi oil Co.
The UK however refused to make any concessions, and the secularist and democratically elected Iranian President Mossadegh nationalized to Oil Co.
Note: The Anglo Persian Oil Co later became British Petroleum or BP with the British government the main shareholder since APOC.
Iran's Mullah's would have seen their influence decline under the secular president, and supported the CIA coup.
I somewhere have an old picture of a number of Iranian dignitaries at Tehran's Mehrabad airport, at the foot of those old rolling stairs to welcome the Shah back from exile. One of the first in line was a very young Ayatollah Khomeini. No kidding.

How The CIA Overthrew Iran's Democracy In 4 Days
https://www.npr.org/2019/01/31/690363402/how-the-cia-overthrew-irans-democracy-in-four-days
 

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U.S. brings squadron to Saudi Arabia as tensions rise with Iran

U.S. brings squadron to Saudi Arabia as tensions rise with Iran

 

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Saber ratteling..nothing more..from Both sides.

If the U.S. was going to attack Iran, they would have already done so.

I dont believe they will.

But....

If they do, the first Pay Backs will be directed at Saudi Arabia.

Maybe a little Attitude Adjustment would do them some good, because that event has been a Long Time Coming.
 

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Forget Iran...


Warplanes from four countries face off in Asian confrontation

Seoul (CNN)Warplanes from four countries faced off Tuesday in a chaotic and unprecedented confrontation above a small, disputed island off the coast of South Korea and Japan.

South Korea's Joint Chiefs of Staff issued a statement claiming they had fired more than 300 warning shots at a Russian A-50 command and control military aircraft early Tuesday morning after it had twice violated the country's airspace, the first such incident between the countries.

Moscow furiously denied Seoul's account of the encounter, claiming that South Korean military jets had dangerously intercepted two of its bombers during a planned flight over neutral waters.

But in a statement Tuesday afternoon, Japan's Ministry of Defense backed up South Korea's claims, saying the A-50 had flown over the islands and that Tokyo had scrambled fighters to intercept.

In a further complication, both South Korea and Japan said that two Chinese H-6 bombers had joined the Russian military aircraft on sorties through the region as well.

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TOKYO (Reuters) - Japan’s military scrambled fighter aircraft to intercept Russian and Chinese planes, it said on Tuesday, including an observation jet at which South Korean forces fired warning shots after it entered airspace over an island claimed by both Seoul and Tokyo.

Japan, like South Korea, identified two Chinese H-6 bombers and two Russian TU-95 bombers flying over the strait between the countries.

In addition, there was a Russian A-50 observation plane at which South Korea had fired warning shots after it passed close to the island it controls, known as Dokdo in South Korea and Takeshima in Japan.
 

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Well, in Iran's case it is.

The 1953 Coup was orchestrated by the CIA's Kermit Roosevelt, a grandson of the US President.
In the Anglo Persian Oil Co, the Persian partner had no right to see the company's books and no right to have representation / a seat on its board.
Iran went to court, and the issue went all the way before the international court of law in the Hague.
At the same time the US had already conceded to Saudi demands and agreed to a 50/50 profit sharing of ARAMCO, the joint American-Saudi oil Co.
The UK however refused to make any concessions, and the secularist and democratically elected Iranian President Mossadegh nationalized to Oil Co.
Note: The Anglo Persian Oil Co later became British Petroleum or BP with the British government the main shareholder since APOC.
Iran's Mullah's would have seen their influence decline under the secular president, and supported the CIA coup.
I somewhere have an old picture of a number of Iranian dignitaries at Tehran's Mehrabad airport, at the foot of those old rolling stairs to welcome the Shah back from exile. One of the first in line was a very young Ayatollah Khomeini. No kidding.

How The CIA Overthrew Iran's Democracy In 4 Days
https://www.npr.org/2019/01/31/690363402/how-the-cia-overthrew-irans-democracy-in-four-days

That was 66 years ago. Only 5 years after the U.S. was the hero of the world for carpet bombing Germany and nuking Japan.

How about we catch up to this century.
 

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That was 66 years ago. Only 5 years after the U.S. was the hero of the world for carpet bombing Germany and nuking Japan.

How about we catch up to this century.
That event 66 years ago laid the groundwork for this century.

Read: Iran found out the U.S. cant be trusted..a fact that will be carried into the next century.

Face it, Iran isnt going to lay down and succumb to the pressure.

Frankly, its about time somebody stood up to Imperial agression.
 

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That event 66 years ago laid the groundwork for this century.

Read: Iran found out the U.S. cant be trusted..a fact that will be carried into the next century.

Face it, Iran isnt going to lay down and succumb to the pressure.

You seem so sure that the United States is going to war with Iran. What happens if we don't? What if we just keep up what we've been doing for the past several decades and continuously chastise them for human rights abuses and for trying to develop nuclear weapons? If the worst thing that we do is place sanctions on them, how long will it be before you admit you were getting all upset over nothing?

And what if Iran actually attacks us or our allies? Not just a single boat or plane, but a full scale military attack.

I wouldn't rule it out because their "Supreme Leader", Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who has been in power since 1989, is the de facto king of the entire country. Their so called democracy is a sham. But the most dangerous aspect of their government is the fact that its constitution expressly spells out the primacy of divine revelation in creating and carrying out the law and is fundamental to all policy, foreign and domestic. These are religious zealots who are eagerly anticipating the end of the world and the final judgement of God.

The fact that there are plenty of Jewish and Christian zealots in America (and also in Europe and Israel) who are just as eagerly looking forward to Armageddon, should be enough to scare the shit out of anybody. I don't see a war starting in Iran over oil, simply because we already have as much as we can use and it's very cheap. Any amount that would be added from a regime change in Iran wouldn't make a significant change in availability or price. But I can easily see a war with Iran starting for religious reasons and some of the people in charge of the nuclear bombs actually want to see the world end and are eagerly looking forward to dying.


Frankly, its about time somebody stood up to Imperial agression.

"Imperialism" is defined by the Imperial power taking some or all political control over the subject nation. This didn't happen in any of the countries that we've attacked militarily in the modern era. Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Kosovo, Vietnam, Korea, Japan, Germany. In the countries where we overthrew their governments and then occupied them militarily, it was always a temporary occupation. In every single instance, we provided for a transitional government and then turned over the entire state to the native civilian power structure.

Right or wrong and whatever else you want to call it, it isn't "Imperialism".

What we did in Hawaii was most definitely Imperialism. We stole that sovereign nation right out from under the noses of the legitimate rulers with absolutely no justification. It was all about money for corporate America. Strangely, with the exception of a handful of current activists that nobody has heard of, nobody really has a problem with our shameful imperial aggression against Hawaii.
 
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