Hi different Dave, lol, thanks for your persuasive reply, I will start searching for a sds kit, (anyone recommend anywhere?) I am one of the lucky ones in that I am very busy working long hours and don't get as much time to spend on my limo as I would like and the great British weather doesn't help either and without a garage it's little and as often as I can, bring on retirement! Also the plastic drivers seat undertray and surround with lumbar and pulse switches are as rare as rocking horse poo, in an unbroken state, I've given up trying to get one, I will keep you posted on stripping a door out in my quest for the soft close set up, thanks again, Peter