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Any thoughts on comparing the W124 and W210? I actually started my Benz journey 20 years ago with a "gray market" W123 300D that I bought new right from the MBZ dealer in Freiburg. It cost me $9000 when I converted the Deutsche marks. Had it shipped to San Francisco for $1100. It was a non turbo and had a 4 speed manual that outperformed the turbodiesel that MBZ USA imported at the time. I put 225,000 miles on it and only replaced one clutch. It had an awesome growl at 80 mph, and made you feel like a Mack truck on the freeway. I would still have it today except some old lady ran a stop sign and plowed in to my passenger side and the insurance company totaled it.

So I bought an 87 300E for me and and 88 300E for my wife. Put 200,000 on the 87 until..... yup, some bozo ran into my rear quarter panel, knocked the rear axle, and insurance totaled it. Still have the 88 300E with 181,000 on it. The W124 may be the finest overall automobile I have ever driven. It has an incredible road presence, a fine balance between sporty and elegant. The straight 6 engine is so smooth and quiet and relatively maintenance free. I have never done anything to either tranny and never opened the head on either one. I suppose a little more power would be nice, but 25-27 mpg on the highway is pretty nice.

Last year when my 87 300E was totaled, I bought a very slightly used 98 W210 E320 with 30k on it in pristine condition. I thought no sedan could rid ebetter than the W124 until I bought the W210. I put 17" rims from a 2004 E500 on it and it handles like a sports car. Looks incredible to. I think the W210 body is the most beautiful sedan ever made. It blends all the trademark character trait of past Benz sedans into one sculpted piece of art. However , the first thing my 18 year old son noticed was how the seats had changed from the W124. It seems mbz decide to take the springs out of the seats, maybe to cut cost, or weight. They are still great seats, but just different. They just don't have the same luxurious feel as the W124.

I just found a 92 300CE for my older son in mint condition with 90k on it. I have to believe this will be a collectors car some day. The lines are so elegant and smooth. Sits a little lower and wider than the W124 sedan. Bottom line is, now I am on the prowl for a 300CE for myself just to have and hold on to.

Any thoughts out there?
 

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Get a 380SEL/SEC W126... Or for that matter get any W126. HEHE shameless plug for the W126!![:D][:D]
 

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TheRazz - 5/8/2005 9:29 PM

Get a 380SEL/SEC W126... Or for that matter get any W126. HEHE shameless plug for the W126!![:D][:D]
Im with ya on that one! The 124 coupe is very nice
but for about the same $, you can get into a nice SEC series coupe w/ the same timeless lines of the 124. Nice to hear of your good luck with your 300e's maintenance wise, sorry to hear youve had not such good luck from people hitting you[:(]. Hoops, what did you have to give for your boys 92ce anyways and what color combo?
 

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bc,

Paid $6400 for the 92 300CE. Its smoke silver with tan leather in perfect shape. I do like the SEC, but have always thought they were high maintenance. Maybe I should reconsider. Is the 5.6 V8 a good one?
 

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Its all relative hoops. A 8 cyl will be more costly to run but the same, or about cost to buy. Like many others will advise, no matter what you buy, try to buy with documented records and put $2 g's away as a costly repair/maintenance will cost you. Very good buy on that ce only if its been up to date mechanically otherwise id favor a 150,000 mile car thats been excessively maintained for the same $. My 91 300e i bought for $5500 w110k from second owner with ALL service records but the car is 14 years old and needed some minor mechanical attention....i.e. Fuel filter (a must for you),plugs, wires, injectors(3rd time replaced),sway bar bushings(4),coolant flush w/ new thermostat, rear end fluid change to amsoil synthetic to stop slight howl,major detailing including wet sanding paint and major interior cleaning of 20 hours for both (DIY). New wheels and tires and ive got $7700 into it and it looks/runs how i want it to and i enjoy it very much. Look into that sec as that body is as timeless as the 124 imo. good luck, bc
 

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247hoopsfan - 5/8/2005 8:47 PM

It seems mbz decide to take the springs out of the seats, maybe to cut cost, or weight. They are still great seats, but just different. They just don't have the same luxurious feel as the W124.
Why did they remove the springs from the seats?

So it would be easier to check the battery cells by lifting a lighter rear seatbench out. [:)]

If you take a long trip with the 210, your back will notice it. *oooh!*.
 

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If anybody knows where can I get a repair manual for my W123 200 year 1979, on the net to doewnload it for free,plz leave me the name of the site

Thank you in advance
 

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If you take a long trip with the 210, your back will notice it. *oooh!*.
Ditto on this one. I went the same route the original poster did (minus crashes).
W123 was bulletproof, but it sucked more diesel, than W210 gas. No ABS didn't worry me too much, but lack of airbags? You don't appreciate them, till you REALLY appreciate them.
W124 with 2.5 l diesel had great economy and decent performance, but I was uncomfortable with my long legs.
Than in W210 I drove 2300 miles continuously with single overnight stop.
Did I mention, that my wife averaged 36 mpg on E300DT ?
I wish I could keep the speed below 75 mph. :D
 

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Why did they remove the springs from the seats?

So it would be easier to check the battery cells by lifting a lighter rear seatbench out. [:)]

If you take a long trip with the 210, your back will notice it. *oooh!*.
There were problems with W124 seats, with special inserts produced to address.

Get the W124 service CD and view all the technical bulletins regarding seat problems.
 

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The 210 seats are great for a couple of hours; after that the 124 seats were better. I do get 27-31 mpg on the hwy, sure couldn't pull that off in the 124. 100k plug change will be a bear to do, but sure beats the 15k frequency of my old 124.
 

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W123 300D ...TANK...of Benz's finest achievements! (beside the SLR or 500E [my fav's!]) Performs like a race car. Is it a coincidence that almost every taxi in Europe (and most other countries) was and probably still is a 123? I don't think so. Fuel efficiency comparable to today's standards...born in 1975! "Million-Mile cars". The W123 is the most popular sedan in the world. Over 2.5 million sold world-wide...sounds like McDonalds...YUK!

Choice? ...easy as 123 (LOL)

Dont get me wrong...I love my 124 2.5 turbo. I just prefer the lines of the 124. I expect to hord a few 123's in the near future though. So lock up your daughters!
 

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Is it a coincidence that almost every taxi in Europe (and most other countries) was and probably still is a 123? I don't think so. !

You are at least a decade behind. It is W210 now. Can't blame them, even the W123 can last forever, the W210 is burning like 1/2 of the fuel, while providing way much better performance.
 

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You are at least a decade behind. It is W210 now. Can't blame them, even the W123 can last forever, the W210 is burning like 1/2 of the fuel, while providing way much better performance.
Even a few years from here. A W210 is rare now, W/S211 is the standard one, a few other models (W221, W/S203) but of course one in a million (perhaps less) could be a W123.
 

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In Germany, of course, taxi's are the latest E-Class (normally) ...yes that means 211...excuse my excitement about the 123 ...I guess what I meant to say is the outcome of it's popularity/reliability lead to it's majority in numbers on the road world wide

I'm trying to think of any another model (any automobile brand) that has had that kind of influence on history...any ideas?

I should probably start a new thread on that one ;)
 

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I'm trying to think of any another model (any automobile brand) that has had that kind of influence on history...any ideas?

I should probably start a new thread on that one ;)
I see a trend that MB Sprinter might be in vans/commercial chassis category what W123 was in passenger cars.
Remember the older VW Bus?
 

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VW Vanagon (spelling?) another staple...The hippie-cadillac!

Rabbit/Golf? ...had a friend with an 81 rabbit diesel I think that thing had 400K on it and started up first crank every day in the dead of winter...it once was yellow but had since been painted black via the soot bombs!
 
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