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Hi all,

I'm just hoping to contribute to the forums since I have gotten so much good information here. I have spent the past few weeks making some updates to my 1983 300CD--most recently shocks and brake pads (laughably easy replacements with basically no mechanical skills and few tools)--and decided I needed to remove the muffler. There was nothing wrong with the muffler, but like so many things I have researched I fell victim to swirling and sometimes contradictory rumors, and finally decided to act on the advice of a diesel mechanic who told me that removing the muffler would reduce backpressure and help the engine.

So off to the muffler shop. For $30 they simply cut the muffler between the brackets and put in a straight pipe. I kept the muffler.

The first thing you notice with the muffler off is that you can see right through it. In other words, the 300CD muffler is essentially a straight pipe with slotted openings to baffles or whatever. To my eyes, it looked more like a resonator than a muffler. I left my resonator in palce... thank goodness.

To my ears, it is more of a resonator than a muffler, too. The exhaust noise post removal is the same as before, but there is a bit more drone from under the car (not rumble... that would be good. DRONE, which is not necessarily good). While I may be getting slightly less back pressure (which is in doubt since, having seen the inside of the muffler, it is a straight shot from front to back), the trade off in drone sound is not worth it. I really can't tell any difference in power.

At first, I thought I was getting alot of turbo whine, too (which, in my world, would be good, to a point), but then discovered that it was because of a serious exhaust leak at the bottom of the firewall that was slowly killing everyone in the cabin. That cost $275 to fix. Now I have no whine, no rumble, an imperceptible decrease in backpressure, no change in performance, and a drone at all speeds. Epic fail. I advise against it.

The only ray of sunshine is that I kept the muffler. I'll have it welded back on next year in time for inspection.

If you are wondering, I got Monroe shocks and ceramic pads from a local parts shop after having a hard time finding shock recommendations online. I know there are better shocks, but these were very cheap and the improvement was immediate and appreciable; I doubt, for my purposes, that the HD's or any other expensive shocks would be worth the price difference. I will say that I put HD's on another vehicle and they are great shocks.

For those who may be stalling replacement of brake pads, you simple need a punch (or anything thin, like a sturdy nail), a hammer, and a screwdriver. Use your jack to raise the car one corner at a time, remove the tire, find the pins that hold the pads in, give them a small whack with the hammer and punch, knock the pins out (this take just one or two whacks... once the pins are out a half inch or less they move freely), watch the spring fall on the ground, use the screwdriver to take the pads out (carefully press againt the piston to decompress it if you have trouble getting the new pads in, since they are thicker), put the new pads in, replace the spring, tap the pins in place, and replace the wheel. Go to the next corner. Now, if you are not an IDIOT (like me), be sure to pump the brakes numerous times after you finish all four sets of pads, to re-pressurize the system... before you drive away. BEFORE YOU DRIVE AT ALL. Otherwise when you take off for the maiden voyage you will have NO BRAKES, none, nada, nicht... and screech like a little girl when you first try to stop (at least, that's what someone told me happens).

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Which muffler are you referring to? If it was in the middle of the car, that's the one I had removed on the SD. I did not get the chance to pear into it tho.

MB refers to it as a muffler, but as you've found out I think it's just a resonator too. I can't tell any difference in performance, but the sound is better, at least to me.

Our inspections don't look for these things.

I agree, brakes are easy.
 

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Which muffler are you referring to? If it was in the middle of the car, that's the one I had removed on the SD. I did not get the chance to pear into it tho.

MB refers to it as a muffler, but as you've found out I think it's just a resonator too. I can't tell any difference in performance, but the sound is better, at least to me.

Our inspections don't look for these things.

I agree, brakes are easy.
I removed the back one. I left the front one (what I am calling a resonator) in place. I considered removing both. So what is the change in sound for you since we removed different parts?

There is an argument that under the Texas Transportation code, turbocharged vehicles aren't required to have a muffler, but I have never tested it. The new pipe (in the rear, where my muffler was) is pretty shiny, and easy to see from behind. I really think the only perfomance boost I got was from the loss of the weight of the muffler... and it was pretty heavy as mufflers go.
 

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I noticed more of a difference removing the rear muffler, then the center.
I've removed either or on three different cars. I will always remove the rear first on any w123 in the future. Next up is removing the rear box on my buddies euro 280.

Mine is straight piped. Too much drone. I bought a glasspack to install.
Ah, so the drone is a real issue with a straight pipe, then. I was worried about that. I watched a few Youtube videos of (mainly kids) thrashing their W123's that were straight piped, but the audio is always from outside the car. I really don't mind a diesel growl and a turbo whine... I actually think it is funny considering the car is really not much of a performance model. I think only way to get a turbo whine is to put a cold air intake on (such as the one advertised on eBay, and YouTube:
When I was working on the engine and had the bend from the airbox to the turbo off, I chased all dust out of the garage and started it up just to see how it sounded and the turbo sound was PRONOUNCED. Like a mini Mack Truck. However, I cannot see what prevents water from getting into those setups, and I have enough to deal with without water in the engine... Also, what little I can gather on the cold-air intakes is that there is no performance boost (which I think is wholly incredible considering the obvious constriction of the stock setup, but it is on the internet so it must be true).
 

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Ah, so the drone is a real issue with a straight pipe, then. I was worried about that. I watched a few Youtube videos of (mainly kids) thrashing their W123's that were straight piped, but the audio is always from outside the car. I really don't mind a diesel growl and a turbo whine... I actually think it is funny considering the car is really not much of a performance model. I think only way to get a turbo whine is to put a cold air intake on (such as the one advertised on eBay, and YouTube: YouTubeWhen I was working on the engine and had the bend from the airbox to the turbo off, I chased all dust out of the garage and started it up just to see how it sounded and the turbo sound was PRONOUNCED. Like a mini Mack Truck. However, I cannot see what prevents water from getting into those setups, and I have enough to deal with without water in the engine... Also, what little I can gather on the cold-air intakes is that there is no performance boost (which I think is wholly incredible considering the obvious constriction of the stock setup, but it is on the internet so it must be true).
Isn't the stock intake a cold air intake?
 

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I removed the back one. I left the front one (what I am calling a resonator) in place. I considered removing both. So what is the change in sound for you since we removed different parts?

There is an argument that under the Texas Transportation code, turbocharged vehicles aren't required to have a muffler, but I have never tested it. The new pipe (in the rear, where my muffler was) is pretty shiny, and easy to see from behind. I really think the only perfomance boost I got was from the loss of the weight of the muffler... and it was pretty heavy as mufflers go.
The engine is louder, but not offensive, to me anyway. Almost drone like.

On a 126, there are two center mufflers, so I gained lightness too (stole that quote from Colin Chapman).

I understand turbos act similarly to mufflers.

Meant to spell peer, not pear.
 

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I taped this today, no center mufflers, there are two on an SD, but otherwise it's the same engine as a 123 turbo. A straight pipe back to an OEM Ansi muffler.
 

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I taped this today, no center mufflers, there are two on an SD, but otherwise it's the same engine as a 123 turbo. A straight pipe back to an OEM Ansi muffler.
center muffler delete - YouTube
Nice video. Off the subject, I am jealous of your working tach.

I am not hearing any drone in the video.
 

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It is louder, but I don't have a radio in this car and don't miss it. The human ear can hear more than the video too.

Your tach may need an amp, located under hood on the left fender, an upside down trash can looking thing, it unscrews. They fail routinely.

Both odometers failed recently and I have the Bowden cable on the transmission adjusted for maximum horsepower when accelerating "briskly".
 
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