[coachgeo]

Saw that this had been mentioned and linked in a few threads but didnt actually sit in its own thread where I think discussion on this quality conversion would be great to have in one place.

Check out the ongoing build / updating thread at Pirate

My V8 Doka Unimog - Pirate4x4.Com

Love how he converted a domestic tranny (NV4500) and Atlas T case to Torque tube arrangement. HE KEPT the OEM style 3 point suspension with the torque tube as the 3rd (centeral) member. Impressive indeed.

PS- what domestic or Diesel; if any, is about the same size as the 350 he used here.

 

[techMOGogy]

I would have posted it but he doesn't post here (or belong that i can tell) so he can keep posting over at Pirate (where I have added to that thread)
I think he has removed the 'Mog' from that project - cool yes but it is to me just a truggy with Mog axles and a Mog body (just my 0.02 cents on it)

 

[coachgeo]

... cool yes but it is to me just a truggy with Mog axles and a Mog body (just my 0.02 cents on it)

IMHO it is still Mog just repowered and here is why I say that. What is most unique about Mogs is the 3 point suspension that uses torque tubes as the 3rd central member. This is the main design thru out the whole unimog line of suspension and a HUGE part of what makes them unique unimog. In his design he kept the torque tube working exactly as Ma Benz intended and for a 404... kept the designed frame flextion intact as well. Every one else's truggy uses a more domestic suspension with the ONLY thing Mog is the axles.

Each new version of Mogs MB has done pretty much the same as he did. Upgraded engine and transmissions but kept torque tube 3rd member suspension. Course they also updated the axles where he has not.

 

[DokaTD]

It's cool, but not a mog regardless of torque tubes or not.

 

[Snow mogg]

I think its bad ass. Agree with coach, its still a mog. He's working on a 416 with cummins and auto trans as well, now thats really sick :thumbsup:

 

[TRUKTOR]

I'm in the It's a Unimog Camp. Re-powered, but a Unimog
More than not. Dig the fact he built a mold and had a
Glass top built. Style might be utilitarian , but I appreciate
The effort required to go that route.
In the end though, it isn't worth arguing over one way
Or another - he pursued a goal and went for it . To me,
That is more important than where any of us might
Decide to draw the IS/ IS NOT a UNIMOG line.....
Cool truck .

 

[slothmog]

Well I don't know, mog or not.
He certainly has put an s**t load of love and work into it.
The air bag suspension seemed to work really well.
We traded rides in the pit at NWMF.
I must say it was REALLY smooth and comfy... full Cadillac like ride, especially compared to my implement carrier 406.
What ever it is, he's into it, and he seems to have the ability to dream and to make it happen. What ever floats your boat, or mog, or buggy.
Fun is where you find it.

 

[Simon4x4]

Pure genius.I'm only 4pages into the thread but I'm suitably impressed.
Not exactly what I would build, but at the same time impossible to fault.
I'd love a truck like it.

 

[krisinak]

That truck was at nwmf. The guys name is Brian. Yes it is awesome. I Have rarely meet someone so "into it". To paraphrase Brian, all that's left on it that's Mog are the axils and the cab. He has a switch panel on the dash to control each airbag independently ...how cool is that?

 

[techMOGogy]

Guy is a master builder and fabricator, no doubt about that and I think it is an interesting build for sure. But not sure of the need to discuss it here as well as over at Pirate?

 

[bandit86]

It's a mog. Taking a 300td diesel and putting it in a mog is taking away from the idea of a Unimog. If you guys are fine with that you should be fine with a engine and tranny swap

 

[DokaTD]

It's a mog. Taking a 300td diesel and putting it in a mog is taking away from the idea of a Unimog. If you guys are fine with that you should be fine with a engine and tranny swap

Just devils advocate

I sold my 404.0 OM617A Doka exclusively because it had the 617 in it. The truck lost some appeal and IMHO some reliability. Even after I fixed all the mistakes and poor workmanship from the initial installer, I always worried about it and always had some little issue pop up.

My REAL mogs are both dead reliable and I never wonder if they will start or perform to expectation.

Mogs have both distinct and vague characteristics that endear them to their owners. This particular engine and tranny swap would not be referred to as a mog at my house but more likely a mog based buggy this taking on a new life of its own.

No sense in debating it as we all look at them differently. For me, I see a stock mog and a glimmer comes to my eye and a smile on my face because I know I can start with a good soul and heart to make it my own. A customized mog will have me looking twice and even a third time to make sure I know if I'm getting a mog or a headache.

 

[coachgeo]

... all that's left on it that's Mog are the axils and the cab. ...

for sake of clarity only this is not true. The torque tubes, 3 point suspension system and frame are all still Mog.

 

[Mildcustom2]

It's no different than the hot rod guys building a 32 Ford Duece Coupe and stuffing a small block chev under the hood. It's still a Ford Duece Coupe. If you really want to get down to it given they way some of you are thinking. By your logic if it's not the original drivetrain it's not a Mog, so if you have done a diesel swap into your 404 then it's not a Mog either regardless of wether or not it's a Mercedes Engine or not, it's not numbers matching correct for that vehichle as that exact 404 was built.

Bam Bam has a Cummins engine yet you all still consider it a Unimog.

 

[tkv000]

Bam Bam has a Cummins engine yet you all still consider it a Unimog.

Be careful using "you all", that's a bold statement And a can of worms.

 

[coachgeo]

.... He's working on a 416 with cummins and auto trans as well, now thats really sick :thumbsup:

That one he's apparently been hired to do for someone else FWIW. I'ld hire him judging by his work quality. That write up has started at 416 Cummins DOKA Build - Pirate4x4.Com

 

[Mildcustom2]

Be careful using "you all", that's a bold statement And a can of worms.

It's a can of worms that can spur good discussions and debates.

If anything " you all " or a majority of " you all " got very horny over the whole build and race which really was very interesting.

But I notice your not disagreeing with anything I have said either

 

[tkv000]

Well just don't bunch me in with that group. Again, not to start a $%^&^ measuring contest, IMHO there is nothing the Cummin's can do that the already installed OM366a (or OM352a, both great engines, just like the more modern OM366a better) can't, the hellgeth boys have proven that time and time again. And if your looking for a clean install, hard to be the original engine.

 

[dxmedia]

It's no different than the hot rod guys building a 32 Ford Duece Coupe and stuffing a small block chev under the hood. It's still a Ford Duece Coupe. If you really want to get down to it given they way some of you are thinking. By your logic if it's not the original drivetrain it's not a Mog, so if you have done a diesel swap into your 404 then it's not a Mog either regardless of wether or not it's a Mercedes Engine or not, it's not numbers matching correct for that vehichle as that exact 404 was built.

Bam Bam has a Cummins engine yet you all still consider it a Unimog.

Humm, I agree and disagree

My 404.1 doka is matching numbers. I've a m180 HC engine sat in the garage. I don't want to swap the heads over since the one on the doka is currently original. When it gets sold off though, I'll sell the engine as part of the package, what the new owner does with it is up to them, but I bought an old original truck, and I sold on an old original truck with a few options.

I also concider that 404 a mog. What makes a mog IMO isn't just the engine, it's the frame, axles, suspension, character and quirkyness of them. That old (pulled apart now) rear engined v8 one which is all over youtube, still a mog My first diesel 404 with a ford engine, yeah that was a mog too.

What about the CASE ones, they aint even Mercedes

Just me tuppence.

edit : That was my 1001st post! I'm surprised you guys aren't fed up with my drivel yet, or am I presuming too much?

 

[Mildcustom2]

Well just don't bunch me in with that group. Again, not to start a $%^&^ measuring contest, IMHO there is nothing the Cummin's can do that the already installed OM366a (or OM352a, both great engines, just like the more modern OM366a better) can't, the hellgeth boys have proven that time and time again. And if your looking for a clean install, hard to be the original engine.

At the risk of blasphemy

Possibly, I actually think a Cummins powered Unimog could taken to its max potential roast any highly tuned 366a taken to its max potential. There just far more aftermarket power upgrade options for a Cumminsbengine like Bam Bam has than a 366a. Really it's like comparing a Corvette to a Ferrari. The Corvette is more affordable and far more produced so there's more options compared to a Ferrari who's tuning options are very costly and far and few between due to availability.