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Toyota Production Shutdown
Friday, 05 December 2008 13:19

Workers at the Toyota plant in Georgetown will have a long break for the holidays whether they like it or not.

The company tells WTVQ 36 News it is shutting down production at its plant from December 18th through January 12th.

Toyota says the production stoppage is because of a bad economy, poor sales and reduction in requests for new vehicles.
Toyota usually stops production temporarily during the holidays, but this year's stoppage is nine day longer than normal.

Toyota says employees will still be paid during this extended stoppage

WTVQ 36 News - WTVQ-TV - Lexington, Kentucky - Toyota Production Shutdown

Toyota adding idle time at Georgetown
By Scott Sloan - [email protected]

Toyota's Georgetown plant, hampered by declining sales of its vehicles, will shut down more often than normal this December and January.

The plant typically closes for the holidays from Dec. 24 to Jan. 1, but this year, it also will stop production on Dec. 18 and 19, as well as Jan. 5-9, 16 and 19, which is Martin Luther King Jr. Day. The factory typically has not shut down for that holiday.

The plant, along with all but one of Toyota's North American plants, announced last month that it would shut down on Dec. 22 and 23. It has also previously said it would shut down on Jan. 2 since it falls on a Friday.

On most days, Toyota's workers will be given the choices of coming to work and doing non-production jobs such as training, or taking paid vacation or unpaid time off.

However, on three of the days in January — Jan. 5, 6 and 19 — Toyota will require employees to use paid vacation. The company has required employees to do that before in years when holiday dates fell in such a way that workers would have come back for just one day in a week.

But this is the most it has asked of employees at any one time.

"We've never had a condition like this with sales being so poor and having to make production adjustments," Toyota spokesman Mike Goss said.

The automaker told workers at all of its North American plants on Friday to expect these shutdown days. The number of days at each plant will differ, though, based on inventories of the vehicles produced at each site, Goss said.

Toyota announced its North American sales for November earlier this week and said the number of vehicles sold dropped by more than one-third.

Sales of the Camry, which is produced at Georgetown, fell 28.8 percent from the same period a year earlier, while the Georgetown-produced Avalon saw sales fall 61.6 percent.

Camry sales, though, are down just 5.6 percent for the year, faring far better than SUVs and pickups.

The Tundra pickup is down 28 percent year-to-date and 56 percent in November

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How dare they require them to take a paid vacation day. Those fucking cocksuckers. We need to get UAW in there to stop this mistreatment.
Why do you think they give them paid days?

And pay that is equal with UAW rates?

Toyota does everything but blow the employees to insure that the UAW doesn't get a foothold in that factory. I have a friend who I have known since kindergarten who is asst. HR director out there. She and I have dinner pretty often so I keep up.

In effect the UAW did its job without even being in the factory.
 

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You missed the Joke Bear.

Toyota is living proof that there is no use for the unions. They build more reliable, more valuable, and longer lasting cars then anything the UAW has put there name on. Free enterprise rules. The unions can go fuck themselves, when you have no need to work hard for your job you won't.
 

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You missed the Joke Bear.

Toyota is living proof that there is no use for the unions. They build more reliable, more valuable, and longer lasting cars then anything the UAW has put there name on. Free enterprise rules. The unions can go fuck themselves, when you have no need to work hard for your job you won't.
I got the joke. I was just following it with some facts I heard today.

But I disagree about the unions. They set the standard of living and wage scales for pretty much everyone, union or not. The bad elements are mostly non existent in current contracts but the unions still get the rap for 30 year old sins.

Folks at Toyota and Honda get the same benefits as UAW guys do simply because of the union. IBM, as another example pays equal or better than other similar companies in order to keep CWA or IBEW out. So the union benefits IBM employees also. Then the entire IT industry base is raised to a middle class wage as both IBEW/CWA jobs are at a scale, IBM is in the same range and others like Microsoft or Bob's IT Department keep up to get talent.

Not all bad.
 

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Toyota does good by its workers because of the unions. Fear has a way of correcting errant behavior. Unions go away, and Toyota's benevolence disappears as well. Unions then come back bigger than ever.
 

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I got the joke. I was just following it with some facts I heard today.

But I disagree about the unions. They set the standard of living and wage scales for pretty much everyone, union or not. The bad elements are mostly non existent in current contracts but the unions still get the rap for 30 year old sins.

Folks at Toyota and Honda get the same benefits as UAW guys do simply because of the union. IBM, as another example pays equal or better than other similar companies in order to keep CWA or IBEW out. So the union benefits IBM employees also. Then the entire IT industry base is raised to a middle class wage as both IBEW/CWA jobs are at a scale, IBM is in the same range and others like Microsoft or Bob's IT Department keep up to get talent.

Not all bad.

But aren't more and more of these type jobs being outsourced, no need to look any further than members of the BWOT for the proof. Isn't the outsourcing expanding instead of leveling off and what I suspect after this next round of layoffs for the current crisis, when the work does come back, the new hiring will not be done here but offshore.
 

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Toyota does good by its workers because of the unions. Fear has a way of correcting errant behavior. Unions go away, and Toyota's benevolence disappears as well. Unions then come back bigger than ever.

It has not had much effect here...........
 

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So... If I pay my guys well and give them the shirt off of my back your telling me that I am doing it because of the union??? Not because I value my good employees and want to keep them. ?The unions have not been contributing anything positive to society other then greed and extortion for the last 20 years.
I have worked on several split jobs over the years. The non- union guys show up and work and get the job done. The union wants a special entrance just for union employees, and even though they got 1/2 the job the have a picket crew outside the entrance harassing everyone coming through the gate. they are a bunch of fucking cry babies that want every job handed to them because they hold a useless card that says I pay money to a organization that will harass, extort and bully you so I don't have to work for a living. What a joke.
 

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But aren't more and more of these type jobs being outsourced, no need to look any further than members of the BWOT for the proof. Isn't the outsourcing expanding instead of leveling off and what I suspect after this next round of layoffs for the current crisis, when the work does come back, the new hiring will not be done here but offshore.
YES, more and more are being outsources, on all levels. Right now, if I don't actually fly to NYC and yell across the conference table at directors I would end up with 75-90% Indian or Chinese programmers. And by yell, that sometimes means yell. I have to explain that work has to be done repeatedly as quality control is nonexistent and the concept of schedules apparently does not exist on the same plain of reality. I have a stack on my computer that shows the actual cost associated with re-doing offshored work and the impacts to end clients. And I have to repeat that over and over again.
 

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mcbear, being that you're an advocate of government solving all our problems, can you not agree that brother government has rendered unions obsolete with all their fair labor laws, rules and regulations?

In the day where sweat shops and near slave labor warranted them, unions were good, although, corrupt. They were used not only to help the workers get a fair shake, but they lined the pockets of it's leaders which helped the employers to eventually gain concessions they otherwise would have had no hope of winning. The corruption within their ranks soured the public's perception of them. Unions have, ultimately, lost their usefulness. We are in the day where employers had better walk the tight rope or OSHA and the Department of Labor along with the EEOC will come down on you hard with excessive fines, imprisonment and the liquidation of your business.
 

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mcbear, being that you're an advocate of government solving all our problems, can you not agree that brother government has rendered unions obsolete with all their fair labor laws, rules and regulations?

In the day where sweat shops and near slave labor warranted them, unions were good, although, corrupt. They were used not only to help the workers get a fair shake, but they lined the pockets of it's leaders which helped the employers to eventually gain concessions they otherwise would have had no hope of winning. The corruption within their ranks soured the public's perception of them. Unions have, ultimately, lost their usefulness. We are in the day where employers had better walk the tight rope or OSHA and the Department of Labor along with the EEOC will come down on you hard with excessive fines, imprisonment and the liquidation of your business.
How about all the perks the union leader got, I heard the Jimmy Hoffa got a really nice pair of concrete shoes.
 

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The UAW is the primary reason the Beg Three is going under--w/ inept management close behind--and the primary cause of outsourcing to other countries. Bear can have his unions, but they are killing our economy!
 

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GM says it "disappointed" and "betrayed" consumers

DETROIT (Reuters) - General Motors Corp on Monday unveiled an unusually frank advertisement acknowledging it had "disappointed" and sometimes even "betrayed" American consumers as it lobbies to clinch the federal aid it needs to stay afloat into next month.

The print advertisement marked a sharp break from GM's public stance of just several weeks ago when it sought to justify its bid for a U.S. government on the grounds that the credit crisis had undermined its business in ways executives could never have foreseen.

It also came as Chief Executive Rick Wagoner, who has led the automaker since 2000, faces new pressure to step aside as GM seeks up to $18 billion in federal funding.

"While we're still the U.S. sales leader, we acknowledge we have disappointed you," the ad said. "At times we violated your trust by letting our quality fall below industry standards and our designs became lackluster."

The unsigned open letter, entitled "GM's Commitment to the American People" ran in the trade journal Automotive News, which is widely read by industry executives, lobbyists and other insiders.

In the ad, GM admits to other strategic missteps analysts and critics have said hastened its recent decline.

"We have proliferated our brands and dealer network to the point where we lost adequate focus on the core U.S. market," the ad said. "We also biased our product mix toward pick-up trucks and SUVs."

But GM also says in the ad that it was hit by forces beyond its control as it tried to complete a restructuring earlier this year.

"Despite moving quickly to reduce our planned spending by over $20 billion, GM finds itself precariously and frighteningly close to running out of cash," the ad says.

A failure of GM would deepen the current recession and put "millions of job at risk," according to the ad, which also highlights the automaker's pledged restructuring and intention to begin repaying taxpayers in 2011.

GM spokesman Greg Martin said the ad was an attempt by the automaker to present "a pledge directly to the public."

"We believe we need to deliver this commitment unfiltered since quite a bit of media commentary has not kept pace with our actual progress to transform the company," Martin said.

Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd, a Democrat from Connecticut who is central to the effort to craft an auto bailout bill, on Sunday said GM should replace Wagoner.

GM says Wagoner has the support of the company's board.

GM says it disappointed and betrayed consumers | U.S. | Reuters
 

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mcbear, being that you're an advocate of government solving all our problems, can you not agree that brother government has rendered unions obsolete with all their fair labor laws, rules and regulations?

In the day where sweat shops and near slave labor warranted them, unions were good, although, corrupt. They were used not only to help the workers get a fair shake, but they lined the pockets of it's leaders which helped the employers to eventually gain concessions they otherwise would have had no hope of winning. The corruption within their ranks soured the public's perception of them. Unions have, ultimately, lost their usefulness. We are in the day where employers had better walk the tight rope or OSHA and the Department of Labor along with the EEOC will come down on you hard with excessive fines, imprisonment and the liquidation of your business.
First, I am not an advocate of government solving ALL of our problems.

Second, there is a place for unions in that many companies work to the very edges of the regulations in dealing with their employees. And, as we have seen just this past eight years, many regulations are just not enforced.

Your example of OSHA rings hollow this past few years as miner after miner died because OSHA and the DoL failed to enforce Regulations that were on the books and enforce safety. DoL has, in the past been VERY uneven in their actions.

Even Toyota plays fast and loose with the rules by utilizing temp employees, avoiding the benefits system well beyond the contract dates. Because they are the big dog in the area, a blind eye is turned.

The concept that all unions are corrupt is a decades old concept that does not prove out in the real world and does not stand up to scrutiny.
 

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So... If I pay my guys well and give them the shirt off of my back your telling me that I am doing it because of the union??? Not because I value my good employees and want to keep them. ?The unions have not been contributing anything positive to society other then greed and extortion for the last 20 years.
I have worked on several split jobs over the years. The non- union guys show up and work and get the job done. The union wants a special entrance just for union employees, and even though they got 1/2 the job the have a picket crew outside the entrance harassing everyone coming through the gate. they are a bunch of fucking cry babies that want every job handed to them because they hold a useless card that says I pay money to a organization that will harass, extort and bully you so I don't have to work for a living. What a joke.
Let's look at that split job again. Did your pay scale and that of your crew match or come very close to that of the union crew? I would bet so.
 

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You obviously have no first hand experience with union corruption, then.
um, I grew up in the coalfields of eastern Kentucky and one of my family's acquaintances was one of the hitmen on the Yablonski murders.

I also have dealt with unions from the management side for much of the past 20 years in getting projects completed so I know that the conditions NOW are much better and more professional than they were in the past. I have dealt with good union actions and bad union actions. I have found that once you understand how to deal with them, much like how to deal with corporate management, things work much smoother and the "corruption" excuse goes away.

"Union corruption" is not a broad brush concept. It exists just like "corrupt politicians", "corruption management" and "unethical xxxxx". It exists but it is not the standard nor is it the rule.

Blaming unions for the woes of this country is just a crutch for people to lazy to dig into the real underlying causes of economic issues.
 

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I may not particularly like unions, nor agree with past excesses of unions, or employers.
But until a better working model is found, they are a necessary component in a system of checks and balances.
 
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