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I decided I wanted to remove the air compressor on my 404; I assumed it was for a trailer brake system, as the truck had a mondo huge hitch on it. The air compressor hasn't been hooked up in ages, and it looks like there isn't a pulley on the engine side for the belt even if I wanted to hook it up.

So, last night I extracted the air compressor; took about an hour or so, not too bad. This afternoon I started disconnecting all the various lines. Some appear to have been disconnected previously, as there were a couple of open connectors; almost all of them broke lose with minimal effort. When I broke the rearmost connections loose, a ton of rusty crap spilled out.

Things were going great until I went to remove this booster thing. I never really looked at very closely before, and after getting the big lines off, I went to remove the small lines. Hmm. These have brake fluid in them, and it's fresh - I know this because I flushed everything with ATE Super Blue. After a little more investigation, some googling, it appears that what I actually have is air-over-hydraulic brake assist (is that the proper way to say it?) My guess is the missing connections were for the trailer portion of the system. I looked up a couple of diagrams, but I couldn't make heads or tails of them; I may not have even been looking at the right diagram.

This is an ex-polizei truck, and from my tiny bit of research it appears that it would very likely have had air-assisted brakes.

So now the quandary is: do I put the compressor back in and restore the system to full operation, or do I continue to dismember it? I think the air-assisted brakes would be cool - and would definitely help - but to put the system back to original condition would be a lot of work and $$$ because it has been neglected for so long.

In the mean time, the booster is leaking (see pic), so I should probably "plumb around" that for the time being. My thought was to plug the two extra lines on the fitting under the spare tire area, which would isolate the rear brake line; what size plug do I need? Nothing in my random pile of hardware fits the junction.

So, should I restore it, or is it even worth the hassle?
 

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If you do a search (next time before tearing into stuff would be my recommendation ;) but been there, done that :) ) you'll find lots of great info on the 404 and air assisted brakes, I'm no 404 guy but the first 6 that come up in a search are chock full of info, for example(s):

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/unimog/1367098-plumbing-how-404-mog-air-assist.html

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/unimog/1570824-404-air-compressor.html

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/unimog/1364347-air-assist-brakes-upgrade.html

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/unimog/1439092-404-air-brake-system-maintenance.html

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/unimog/1503072-404-air-system-components.html

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/unimog/1312628-404-air-brake-quesiton.html

I think a lot of the hardcab 404 firetrucks had the assisted brakes, perhaps due to the water load they were carrying.

There's more, many, many more, but that will get you started.

Afterthought, is ATE Superblue road legal again? (was fine for off-highway) I thought they banned it because...well because it's blue (and no other reason, bureaucrats...)
 

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... I think the air-assisted brakes would be cool - and would definitely help - but to put the system back to original condition would be a lot of work and $$$ because it has been neglected for so long...
Air assisted? Or do you mean air over hydraulic - back to original condition?
What other options do you have?
 

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I had actually already read each and every one of those threads - and several others - but due to the missing pieces on my truck, or the diagrams not matching what I have, the puzzle wasn't coming together for me. It finally clicked when I started mucking with it. Now that I know what I have, I need to decide to restore the system or finish dismantling it, and in the mean time - so I can continue to drive the truck - how to bypass it.
 

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The Air Brake Booster (Not to be confused with the Vacuum Brake Booster) on the 404 is a Wabco Unit.

Complete Unit:
MB Part Number: 001 431 0114
Wabco: 470 004 000 0
Overview of the Unit:
https://expedition-imports.com/assets/images/470004.pdf


Rebuild Kit
MB Part Number: 000 586 5643
Wabco: 470 004 000 2
Overview of the Rebuild Kit:
https://expedition-imports.com/assets/images/pdf0005865643.pdf

Periodically we come across the complete units in NOS, but not that common. We were carrying the rebuild kits up until a couple years ago when Wabco was out of stock and was not running any more units. They had told us if we would go for 50 pieces, they would produce...we dropped it as there wasn't enough demand. I haven't checked recently but will send over an inquiry to the factory.

When it works its a great unit. When it needs work it can be a bare to find the parts.

I'd cap it in such a way that you can put it back into use when/if the parts become available.

Cheers,

Scott
 

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Afterthought, is ATE Superblue road legal again? (was fine for off-highway) I thought they banned it because...well because it's blue (and no other reason, bureaucrats...)
Technically, it's not legal, simply because of the color, but I came across a deal on Amazon and got it for $7 a liter, couldn't pass it up.
 

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They are air assist like the round cabs, you can have no air and still have brakes (unlike the square cabs)
Kinda brakes - your right leg will be able to beat up your left leg in short order, though.

I've been running ATE Blue and it's cousin ATE Red for years in my Rover. Never knew it was unacceptable and, now that I do, I don't care :)
 

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And I thought we were the only ones making dumb-assed regulations :grin
Or is there an unofficial competition amongst lawmakers :wink
 

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I was in the same position you were this past summer. I had been wrestling with making the air over hydraulic system work but in the end, it was just $$$ I could have spent elsewhere. Parts for the assist unit are impossible to find and I never could get my system to keep good pressure. In the end, I removed it all, had a hose shop create an adapter hose to bypass the booster hydraulics, and never looked back. Braking with no assist isn't a big deal and I got used to it pretty quickly. I'm also thankful for the added simplicity. It's nice when it works but when it doesn't, it's just an expensive parasite drag on you limited pool of horsepower. Pitch it, I doubt you'll be sorry you did.
 

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Here is the hose I had dabbed up. If memory serves, I had to cannibalize the adapters threaded into the booster and braze them onto more standard hardware in order to get the correct flare to interface with the existing brake lines.
 

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Last night I finished setting up my brake air booster bypass. I used the shortest of the booster brake lines to make a new line to go from the master cylinder to the distribution fitting. I get to bleed the system all over again - yay.
 

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Hi Guys,

Wish I had seen this before. To de-activate this unit you simply install the factory pre-bent hardline, (Master to Junction) and a couple of plugs into the junction block.

Readily available parts and makes it simple to go back if you eventually locate the original parts.

Line if memory serves me is 0004290701 (Not currently on our site, but in stock.)

Cheers,

Scott
 

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Wish I had seen this before. To de-activate this unit you simply install the factory pre-bent hardline, (Master to Junction) and a couple of plugs into the junction block.
I figured something like this had to exist, since there's thousands of Unimogs out there without air boosters.
 

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I am a new owner of a 1967 Unimog 404.1 with air assist setup. the air compressor is noisy. and I don/t even know if my system is working correctly or not anyway, so Im removign the compressor from service.

another reason I wish to remove it is its just a drag on the engine. I cant afford the loss of any power as Im at high altitude. removing the fan belt driving this should gain me a few precious HP.
I have contacted Scott at Expedition Imports for this pre-bent hardline to by pass the air booster.

Does anyone have a good diagram or photo of exactly what ports/lines get removed/replaced and what gets plugged?

Scott. If your reading this, I sent in a "ticket" to purchase, along with some other parts
If you have this pre-bent bypass line, I need one along with any documentation on how to plumb it.

thanks ALL
 

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I am a new owner of a 1967 Unimog 404.1 with air assist setup. the air compressor is noisy. and I don/t even know if my system is working correctly or not anyway, so Im removign the compressor from service.

another reason I wish to remove it is its just a drag on the engine. I cant afford the loss of any power as Im at high altitude. removing the fan belt driving this should gain me a few precious HP.
I have contacted Scott at Expedition Imports for this pre-bent hardline to by pass the air booster.

Does anyone have a good diagram or photo of exactly what ports/lines get removed/replaced and what gets plugged?

Scott. If your reading this, I sent in a "ticket" to purchase, along with some other parts
If you have this pre-bent bypass line, I need one along with any documentation on how to plumb it.

thanks ALL
 

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Y’all are nutz for removing any brake assist on a 404. I personally added it to mine. Heck I may someday go a step further and add hydro assist instead to make the brakes that much easier. Your leg gets real tired holding a truck in place at odd angles off-road
 

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Is it possible I DO NOT have air assist to the brakes BUT have an on board compressor for trailer coupling or something?

asking becuse im looking under my rig and seeing NO BOOSTER whatsoever anywhere near the master cylinder!!

what the heck?

I hear the brake system air hiss when I apply brakes. ??

see pics. Nothing I’ve seen on line with air assist booster looks anything like my setup!

I tried tracing any and all air lines from the compressor and no air lines go anywhere near the mast cylinder!!

could it be that this unimog simply has on board air to run equipment?
 

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