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Whyever not? :crybaby2:

You have to remember that trade is a 2-way street and Europeans have been buyers of US made airplanes and helicopters for decades.

Why should you not occasionally repay the compliment, if it makes commercial sense? :)
 

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It's Boeing's own damn fault. They were in the midst of a scandal in 2004 involving Air Force's weapons buyer, Darleen Druyun and the promise of jobs for herself, daughter and son-in-law at Boeing, in exchange for steering weapons contracts to Boeing. It is this scandal that has set up the present situation that opened up bidding to Northrop. It clearly says so in the article. Furthermore, it also said that the fueling tankers offered by Northrop and Airbus were larger and fit the specifications better than the Boeing proposal.
 

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hahahahahaha
now the right is crying foul, hahahahahaha
Let's wait a few days and we will hear of all of the layoffs this is going to bring about. Hey badbenz, how does it feel to have people like Bush at the helms? Jayhawk, how does it feel to see the dow drop 350 points while you were touting that the DOW was up 450?
I guess now it's time make some money out of the misery of others. I would short Boeing like dropping a hot potato.
 

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hahahahahaha
now the right is crying foul, hahahahahaha
Short of the person that started this thread who is crying?

Even if you don't figure in the past issues with this contract it is simple. Boeing offered an inferior product and should not have won.
 

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The best company one on this particular bid.
 

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Actually Airbus sweetened the pot with a plant in Alabama so the US job market should do pretty well, depending on WHAT is actually made/assembled there. It is a shame for the Boeing folks, however, that contract would have gone a long way toward more US jobs than the winner and would have put airplanes in the sky faster.

Reading the debriefings will be interesting to see if Airbus actually had a better bid [bigger is not always better] or if Boeing was being punished.

Either way, my cousins who weld titanium in Seattle will be negatively impacted.
 

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Pelosi points finger at McCain on Boeing

Pelosi points finger at McCain on Boeing

The controversy over the Pentagon decision to award a $35bn refuelling tanker contract to EADS spilled into the presidential race yesterday, when a senior Democrat suggested that John McCain, the Republican nominee, was responsible for the deal being "outsourced" to a European company.

Nancy Pelosi, the Democratic House speaker, said Boeing had been on course to supply the US Air Force with tankers until Mr McCain "intervened".

"My understanding is that it was on course for Boeing before. I mean, the thought was that it would be a domestic supplier for it," Ms Pelosi told reporters.

"Senator McCain intervened, and now we have a situation where the contract may be - this work may be outsourced."

The air force originally chose Boeing to supply it with 100 tankers. But Congress cancelled the deal after it emerged that Darleen Druyun, a former top air force acquisitions official, had held illegal job discussions with Boeing while still negotiating the deal. Ms Druyun admitted boosting the value of the deal to help Boeing.

Mr McCain has pointed to his aggressive investigation into the Boeing deal as evidence that he is willing to stand up to powerful corporate interests.

The tanker scandal claimed the career of former Boeing chief executive Phil Condit. Ms Druyun and Mike Sears, Boeing's former chief financial officer, were sent to jail.

The suggestion by Ms Pelosi came as Boeing supporters on Capitol Hill opened a new line of attack against the deal, which ultimately could be worth more than $100bn as the air force replaces its entire fleet of about 600 in-flight refuelling tankers.

Pat Roberts, a Republican senator from Kansas, where Boeing has a strong presence, claimed the decision to award the deal to EADS and Northrop Grumman, its US partner, ran counter to US trade policy.

Mr Roberts said the decision "defies common sense" because the US was pursuing a subsidies case against Airbus, a subsidiary of EADS, at the World Trade Organisation.

"This is an outrage. It truly makes me question our trade agenda," the Kansas senator told the Senate finance committee.

Mr Roberts' attack follows a spate of criticism in Congress. The decision stunned most analysts, who expected Boeing, which has supplied the US military with in-flight refuelling tankers for five decades, to win.

Boeing will have 10 days to lodge a protest with the Government Accountability Office, the oversight arm of Congress, after it receives an air force briefing.

FT.com / Companies / Aerospace & defence - Pelosi points finger at McCain on Boeing
 

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Mr. Roberts' outrage causes me to truly question our trade agenda. Why put something out for bid if you're going to get pissed off when your guy doesn't win? What a crock of bullshit.
 

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Looks like, as I mentioned earlier there would be some action after the debrief. Seems the Air Force changed the spec from a medium sized to full sized plane after specs on the RFP were released. That is a no-no.

For those that might be thinking "bigger is better", back when they spec'ed out the C17 they changed spec after the initial RFP, Boeing got the new specs and got the bid. Problem was they moved to a HIGH stabilizer [for better short takeoff]. Not a problem for the plane but a big problem for EVERY hanger in the Air National Guard as the new T tail would no longer fit in the hangers when hail or storms were in the area or the planes could not be rolled in for maintenance. Cost a large fortune to retrofit every hanger in the ANG. And 60 planes were damaged by hail prior to cover.

So here is the new scoop.

Boeing to protest rival's $35B deal
The Chicago-based aerospace company will fight the loss of the tanker Air Force contract to EADS and Northrop Grumman.

March 10, 2008: 6:30 PM EDT

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Boeing Co. on Monday said it will formally protest a $35 billion Air Force contract awarded to European Aeronautic Defence and Space Co. and Northrop Grumman Corp.

Boeing's chairman and CEO, Jim McNerney, said in a statement the Chicago-based aerospace company "found serious flaws in the process that we believe warrant appeal."

The award to replace 179 air-to-air refueling tankers is the first of three major Air Force contracts to replace its entire fleet of nearly 600 aging tankers and could be worth $100 billion over the next 30 years.

Boeing (BA, Fortune 500), which was debriefed by Air Force officials on Friday about why EADS and Northrop Grumman won the high-stakes deal, said Monday that it had "serious concerns" about the fairness of the competition, citing "inconsistency in requirements, cost factors and treatment of our commercial data."

"This is an extraordinary step rarely taken by our company, and one we take very seriously," McNerney said.

Representatives from EADS and the Air Force did not immediately have any comment.

Boeing hinted at the basis for its protest, claiming the Air Force changed its method for evaluating the two tankers even after issuing a request for proposals. These changes allowed a larger tanker to be competitive even though the Air Force originally had called for a medium-sized plane, Boeing said. Air Force officials have indicated that the larger size of the tanker offered by the EADS/Northrop team helped tip the balance in its favor.

Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., who represents a state that is home to many Boeing jobs, continued to criticize the Air Force's decision after Boeing announced its plans to protest the deal.

"The Air Force's short-sighted decision to place the future of America's aerospace industry and national security in the hands of an illegally subsidized foreign competitor is simply wrong for America," Murray said.

Once Boeing files its protest, the Government Accountability Office will have 100 days to issue a ruling. A protest could delay execution of the tanker contract by nearly a year, according to Loren Thompson, a defense analyst with the Lexington Institute, a think tank.

Boeing says it will protest $35B Air Force tanker award. - Mar. 10, 2008
 

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