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The Vatican and Islam

A flustered flock of pigeons
Jan 24th 2008
From The Economist print edition

How to talk to Muslims (and others); Catholics seem unsure


WHEN 138 Muslim scholars sent an open request to leaders of the Christian world, from Catholics to Methodists, for a theological dialogue, they knew they were setting a cat among the pigeons. It was a fair bet that senior Christians would soon be looking over each other's shoulders, anxious not to be too liberal or too harsh in their reply.

And something like that has happened. America's Southern Baptists have blamed mainstream Protestants for responding too warmly; and even the usually well-organised Catholics have been less than co-ordinated. The Vatican's point man on inter-faith relations, Cardinal Jean-Louis Tauran, initially saw little scope for talking to Muslims about theology. But Pope Benedict XVI later agreed to receive some of the Muslim signatories. That process will start soon.

Easily the boldest Catholic response to the Muslim letter has been an essay by an Australian Jesuit scholar, Daniel Madigan, published this month. He took seriously the Muslim idea of a dialogue based on the commands of Jesus of Nazareth to love God and one another. Important as these commands were, they were not the basis of the Christian faith: God's love for man was a more basic point, the Jesuit argued. But for all his quibbles, he did engage with the Muslims' theological views in earnest.

As the largest of the Catholic church's religious orders, the Jesuits like to test the limits of dialogue. Before his death in 2004, a Jesuit pioneer of Catholic thinking on Hinduism, Jacques Dupuis, suffered many scoldings from the Vatican's doctrinal enforcer: then called Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger; now pope.

The Jesuits' new superior-general, elected this month, also exemplifies the order's belief in living “at the frontiers” of culture: like another recent holder of that office (who fell out badly with the Vatican bigwigs), Adolfo Nicolás is a Spanish expert on Japan. He takes office in interesting ecumenical times.
 

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Along those lines, my favorite Jesuit was Pierre Teilhard de Chardin.
 

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I think some people have gone into a state of obsession with Islam and should just stick it in the out box and get on with being themselves.
 

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I believe they have a point here, but to bring these faiths together in any consenus would be difficult to say the least. But if this could happen then and just maybe a lot of shit could be prevented and maybe just maybe some sort of inter religious understanding could be reached. Im a dreamer but im not the only one - peace on earth
 

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John was the backbone of the beatles, paul was the music man but john was the lyrics man and he put the words to the music. In later years Ringo took on Thomas the tank engine and entertained millions of children. They were great liverpool guys and deserved their fame. In later years it was John, Paul, George and Ringo but can anyone name the other two guys in the early years of the group?:thumbsup:
 

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What ya saying like ....entertained millions of children, I like Thomas !!!!!!
BTW Ringo was the only Beatle that wasn't a twat IMHO :). Sorry man I grew up with Zep and Hendrix not love love me do.
 

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What ya saying like ....entertained millions of children, I like Thomas !!!!!!
BTW Ringo was the only Beatle that wasn't a twat IMHO :). Sorry man I grew up with Zep and Hendrix not love love me do.
Thomas the tank engine, he was the voice (or should I say, talk over) for it. as for ledd zeplin and jimmy hendrix great music and a fantastic period in my life, especially Jimmy Hendrix:thumbsup:
 

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It's not widely known that the occasional character Barry, the Diner car went onto later fame as a film maker of considerable note.
 

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It's not widely known that the occasional character Barry, the Diner car went onto later fame as a film maker of considerable note.
Noted
 

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OFF TOPIC!!!

:yelrotflmao::ban::banghead:

Apostates!! Off with their heads!!!
 

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John was the backbone of the beatles, paul was the music man but john was the lyrics man and he put the words to the music. In later years Ringo took on Thomas the tank engine and entertained millions of children. They were great liverpool guys and deserved their fame. In later years it was John, Paul, George and Ringo but can anyone name the other two guys in the early years of the group?:thumbsup:
Easy.

Pete Best (replaced by Ringo) and Stu Sutcliffe (died from the brain tumor or something in 1962).

There are teo more as a matter of fact:

Mal Evans and George Martin had played some instruments during recordings, so they can be considered the part of the team as well.
 

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