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Does anyone here also own or has owned the SL series that came before the 107's:

There is one listed on CL near me:

1971 Mercedes Benz 280SL Convertible 40k Miles 4 Speed A/C CHEAP!

Thinking I may just check it out to get a sense of the series. I like the chassis but I imagine these older cars would cost a pretty penny to maintain considering many of the parts would not be as accessible.
 

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I used to have a 230SL. A very, very different car than an R107.
 

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oh that is luscious...
 

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I've owned 4 113's in the past 20 years. A 230, a 250 California and 2 280SLs. I just sold the last one a couple of months ago.
The maintenance costs are reasonable. Major parts are still readably available from the dealer. The guy is correct that 4 speeds are very rare in a 280. I think the only ones I've seen were imports, grey market as it were, from Europe. If she's a true 40K cart the 18.5 may be a goo price. You will need to see and drive the car.
I think the 113 is becoming a collector as opposed to the 107 so it depends on what you want to do with it. I tried to find the site of a guy in CA that had a great writeup on what to look for when buying these but I can't find it now. To do a full up high quality resto now will cost you in the neighborhood of 75 to 100K. There is a guy in Maine http://www.sltech113.com that you can use to do an inspection if you are interested in the car.
Good luck and best wishes. The 113 is a great car and a completely different beast than the 107. On a side note if I were going out to find another 113 I'd personally look for an early 230SL instead of the 280.
 

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I would look at the 280 just to know more about the model. I am in no position to buy another car right now. I just got my 107 in February and am enjoying it.
 

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If the car is genuine (and I bet it isn't!), that's a steal for a 40k mile, last-year Pagoda.
 

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If it is as advertised, that's a fair price....depending on real condition.
 

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A good example of a W113 here is at least AUD$50,000. (USD$35,000). That is good, not excellent. Again, they are even more in the UK and Europe. You can pay up to GBP80,000 for a concours manual example in the UK.
 

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Well a lot cars are priced lower because of the economy. Even 107's are selling lower on ebay and listed lower on CL.

What do you guys mean by genuine/real? Are you referring to the low miles?
 

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A member of the MBCA chapter has one, and although it's a great car, it is a 1960's car and feels and drives "much older" than a 107; some of the parts are phenomenally expensive, making it difficult for those less well-heeled to enjoy more than occasionally.
 

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Well a lot cars are priced lower because of the economy. Even 107's are selling lower on ebay and listed lower on CL.
In the UK mint low mileage R107s appear to be selling for considerably more of late. In the past 18 months I have seen a couple go for £40,000+ (US$60-80,000 depending on exchange rate) and really nice ones are retailing now between £25-£30,000 (US$37,500-$45,000 at today's exchange rate)

Mint low mileage W113s are always closer to £50,000 (US$75,000 today).

The economic impact means that people with really, really nice cars are being forced to consider selling them so more of them are coming to the market. But, those with cash to play with are more prepared to spend it on something tangible rather than earn nothing on deposit or see it disappear as markets fall or financial products fail.

If the W113 advertised is as good as it seems then the price is way too low which probably means it isn't.

As you don't want to buy it however it doesn't matter. Worth going to see it though.
 

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Well a lot cars are priced lower because of the economy. Even 107's are selling lower on ebay and listed lower on CL.

What do you guys mean by genuine/real? Are you referring to the low miles?
I'm referring to the low miles, condition, and history. The miles could be undocumented, the car could have been in a big accident, patched and painted (badly), the engine could be near its end, it could be a lot of things for that low price. On the other hand, it may just be someone who's desperate to sell because he lost his job and can't pay his bills. That's why, if you're interested and you have the money, you should check it out. You wouldn't lose money on that car if it's a good one.
 

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What was different on the 250 California over a normal 250? ARe they more desirable?
The California only had the the removable hard top. The soft top storage area was removed so it could have a bigger rear seat area. So if you are in a climate where you aren't concerned about rain, etc it was fine. Since I lived, at the time, in Germany and my wife wasn't going to help put on and off a 100 lb top frequently it wasn't as useful to us. It is, however, much rarer than the normal 250. I can't remember the last time I've seen one so I guess I should have kept it.

n the other hand the 250 in general is the least desirable of the 113's. The 230 and especially the early ones just seemed lighter, nimbler, and generally more sporty. At least to me. The 280 seemed to be softer, and more a doctors car with out much real extra power or handling.
 

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True enough but I don't know how MB prices compares with other manufactures' for chrome. On the other hand, what you get is good thick solid stuff. Not at all like the thin crap from the Asian after market guys.
 

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The California only had the the removable hard top. The soft top storage area was removed so it could have a bigger rear seat area. So if you are in a climate where you aren't concerned about rain, etc it was fine. Since I lived, at the time, in Germany and my wife wasn't going to help put on and off a 100 lb top frequently it wasn't as useful to us. It is, however, much rarer than the normal 250. I can't remember the last time I've seen one so I guess I should have kept it.

n the other hand the 250 in general is the least desirable of the 113's. The 230 and especially the early ones just seemed lighter, nimbler, and generally more sporty. At least to me. The 280 seemed to be softer, and more a doctors car with out much real extra power or handling.
I may be wrong, and I don't have the experience of having owned a W113 (more's the pity :) ) but I think maybe the 250SL will become more desirable due to it's rarity, and it didn't have much less power than the 280SL.

Like I said, i may be talking out of my arse.
 
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