[ally_230ce]

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[W124 V8]

What!? That the 500E is better than the M5 !?

But its a matter which 500 and which M5!??[]

 

[CowtownBallin]

ally_230ce - 2/25/2005 11:30 AM

It's not true []

 

[Professor Booty]

Is there supposed to be a picture or something? I don't understand.

 

[ally_230ce]

I was trying to post a small 15 second clip but I'm not able to attach it, so I'll try the link, I knew there is a difference in the power of the W124 500E and the various versions of the BMW E34 M5, with the M5 being ahead on most, but nothing prepared me for this. Guys have you noticed capacity to power BMW packs a harder punch for ex. 1992 525i 2.5/196bhp v/s 1991 260E or 300E(2.6)/167bhp, maybe due to a more advanced engine-management system VANOS to Mercs CIS (let's face it) my choice has always been Merc over BMW upto now but honestly I'm impressed.

http://www.e34.de/downloads/M5vs500E.mpeg

If that isn't convincing see what's in the works.

http://www.discovery-automotive.com/portal/modules.php?name=Static_Content&id=4

Ally

 

[ilikemercedes]

REMATCH!!!! Both cars need the same tires, be in the same shape mechanically, and the dude in the benz needs to lay off the throttle. This thread totally fails to deliver.

 

[W124 V8]

Yes, i know this Clip, and must say, no worries, you could see that the Benz Driver is to stupid,he miss the Start signal!

So I have a 500E and i have drivng against a Old e34 M5 and my 500E was better on the 1/4 miles.
But i was wondering, because the M5 was faster as i thought![]

 

[EuroCoupe]

Guys have you noticed capacity to power BMW packs a harder punch for ex. 1992 525i 2.5/196bhp v/s 1991 260E or 300E(2.6)/167bhp

This is most always the case. BMW can deliver more horsepower/cc than most auto makers. Torque is a different story. The horsepower comes from things like valve timing and rpm capabilities. This is why Mercedes slaps a supercharger or turbo on the current models to compete with the M's. If BMW sticks to the normally-aspirated route, they will need to be building 7, 8, and 10 liter motors over the next decade to compete with these 600hp monsters Mercedes is putting out. The next Benz release is the 6.3L normally-aspirated motor making 500hp. They will then probably supercharge or turbocharge it because if BMW made a 6.3L motor it would put out over 600hp. (BMW has been good at sticking to 100hp/liter in the M cars.)

 

[Professor Booty]

You are trying to compare an M5 to a 500E. The M5 and E55 AMG are a more reasonable match up. The M5 is at least 5 years newer than the W124. This video is no reason to doubt Mercedes engineering.

 

[ally_230ce]

Professor Booty - 2/27/2005 9:44 PM

You are trying to compare an M5 to a 500E. The M5 and E55 AMG are a more reasonable match up. The M5 is at least 5 years newer than the W124. This video is no reason to doubt Mercedes engineering.

The E34 models came out in 1988 intended to rival the W124 (first out in 1985/86) and ended in 1995 (same as W124) M5s have come in various models starting prior to the E34 range and upto current (let's just compare the same year), go ahead professor pick a year, and I'll give you the numbers (I think the Merc-Porsche co-engineered 500E line started in 1992).

Ally

 

[Guest]

The M5 is probably quicker but I can't drive one because I don't own a baseball cap or lots of 'bling'[8D]
Give me the 500E any day.

 

[Professor Booty]

ally_230ce - 2/27/2005 9:01 AM

Professor Booty - 2/27/2005 9:44 PM

You are trying to compare an M5 to a 500E. The M5 and E55 AMG are a more reasonable match up. The M5 is at least 5 years newer than the W124. This video is no reason to doubt Mercedes engineering.

The E34 models came out in 1988 intended to rival the W124 (first out in 1985/86) and ended in 1995 (same as W124) M5s have come in various models starting prior to the E34 range and upto current (let's just compare the same year), go ahead professor pick a year, and I'll give you the numbers (I think the Merc-Porsche co-engineered 500E line started in 1992).

Ally

Well I know the 5 series and E class are in the same class but the E500 and M5? I always thought the M5 was a step above the regular 5 series as the E55 is to the E class. In my mind an M5 and an E500 aren't a very good match up. But no matter, sorry for interrupting the discussion.

 

[JR_Rider]

I think that you are confused. The w124 500e/e500 was a Mercedes powerhouse!! It was engineered in collaboration with Porsche after all. The w124 was definently the competitor of the e34 m5, though I find it very hard to believe the m5 is faster because it is less powerful. The only logical explanation would be the fact that is has a manual transmission.

 

[Schmohey]

That and the driver.

 

[rbadina]

what you had seen is thrue but let`s compare an BMW M5 wich in that period was a tunning company(not like now a sport division at the factory) and an BENZ 500 AMG it is an diference! i hope i made my self clear enough.

 

[lino]

Gentlemen, the e34 ///M5 has a getrag manual transmission which gives it an advantage and also that car came with 2 different engines. One had the 3.6 liter I6 and the other had a 3.8 liter I6. The 500e is a spectacular car in every respect and was fast, yet it flexed its muscles in midrange more so than takeoff.

Here are some other interesting links I have to share with you:

Go to the following site:
http://boostjunky.com/topten.html

Look at the specs of #1 Erik Kilander and then go here for a closeup of his car:

http://www.zsh.net/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album30

Go to the following site:
http://www.eurotuned.com/bmw/multimedia.htm

Click on:
BMW_E30_M3_Vs_Supra_Turbo.avi

 

[lino]

One more e34 to look at:

1000hp e34 m5 vids
this car runs 9.4 @147

http://www.vsmotor.no/avi/vsmotor-m5-gardermoen.avi

Here is the same car on a road course drifting and just displaying disgusting amounts of power (big video but worth the d/l):

http://www.vsmotor.no/avi/vsmotor-m...n-september.avi


Enjoy!

 

[IGOR 500SE]

So sad , just cant find now clip with Volvo 240 Wagon vs W124 500 ...[] You know winner [?]

 

[redwood]

Manual trans. cars are always quicker unless you have a 500hp. autobox. On the top end is where it counts, 140 to 160mph. Straightline speed on the Merc. will leave those bimmer bitches scratching their heads.
I have beat an E34 M5 in my 400E!! from highway speeds on up to the speed governor.
NO BIMMER BITCHES!

 

[aNtHrAx323]

Also, didn't M5s come standard with limited slip diffs? The 500E driver definitely wasn't intelligent, but he did a pegleg burnout for the first 10 seconds. Power isn't any good if you can't put it to the ground.