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what are the other options for non sls 500sel

i want to lower my car, esp in the front but i dont want issues in the rear with bottoming out etc...
i just got my body work done and rolled the fenders and i usually ~85 percent of the time dont have anything in the rear seats, and just a sub box in the boot

but there are those times that i would like to put my two little girls in teh back so they can ride in true luxury along with their strollers etc and mom....but i dont want rubbing issues or other issues

is it more the characteristics of the shock or the spring that will determine the stiffness....
ive been thinking about the HR spring and HD bilsteins but it might be too low in rear...i actually dont mind the way it sits in the rear stock with a little gap, but the front is quite high..any options?
 

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I think Eibach also made springs, but they are probably NLA. The H&R option is the best-- you can get thicker spring perches for the rear, and that might be enough to "adjust" the rear height. I haven't heard anyone really complain about bottoming out on H&Rs with HDs.
 

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I think Eibach also made springs, but they are probably NLA. The H&R option is the best-- you can get thicker spring perches for the rear, and that might be enough to "adjust" the rear height. I haven't heard anyone really complain about bottoming out on H&Rs with HDs.
+1...

Lorinser springs exist but are very rare. I love my H&R's, no were near bottoming out with 2 nib shims. You might want to go 3 nib on the sel if that's your concern.
 

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Eibach Springs

Guys,

The Eibach Springs were rebadged by AMG and delivered as there solution.

I have both sets at home and there are identical.
 

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BADwayz love your car, what is your spring/nib setup, drop height? I have some 17" Monoblock IIs that I want to install and a full AMG body kit just like yours! TIA
 

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sounds good

u know with the HD bilsteins vs the regular bilsteins, what exactly is the difference, is the damping just stiffer?

the shcoks themselves wont change ride hight, right?
 

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shocks don't control ride height... but you want to match your shocks damping characteristics to those rate of your spring.
The closest match we have readily available is H&R w/ HD.

never touched in the rear, only in the front on rare occasions. This combination has been tried and tested 100's, quite possible 1000's of times:)

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good good,

things like the spring perches and nubs, where can get those from, i dont seem to see them on the various parts sites

also, when i do my suspension, im wondering what other components should be done in the same go around

right now, my car, tends to do that "railroading" i guess they call it, where the street kinda tells it where to go , rather than me....living in LA doesnt help but even when i was in florida it did it.

one shop in florida said my calipers were sticking, when i slowed down and that caused pull, they rebulit calipers and charged me alot and it still occured..
they also placed a new tie rod i think

i konw recently when i wen t to mr mb for initial visit, they said my ball joints were worn...would that cause those symptoms

i wanna try to get this done in one sitting, i think, if thats recommended....and i guess if i need it
 

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what size wheels and tyres are you running? if the rest of your suspension isn't in Order I'd tend to that first.

Your car is tram-lining...and yes, if things like ball joints/LCA bushings etc are worn it will allow the front of the car to follow the crown. How is it going down the highway?

Jonathan
 

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right now i have 245 45 17 and 275 40 17 with the amg 3 piece staggered set

im planning on getting new tires because the fronts are gone, and i think the suspension set up has partly to do with it...i was thinking of going down in size to the 235 45 and 265 40 set up

i got my 3 piecers 5 yrs ago, and before that i had the 205 70 14 bundts. im not sure but it may have something similar like that back then but cant say for sure

going down the highway, on a smooth road, its lovely, even over those rolly bumps where the roads dip, it takes them well. it will follow the dip and then come back up to level..it never ever bounces around.

one thing, andi dont know if this is true cuz its gray market but its always looked a little higher i back than US vers, but that may be because of US SLS models i was lllooking at....tho ive seen 300sd sunk to ground .




 

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Have you had a good full alignement done by a place that specialises in or knows Mercs? Mine tramlined when i put my Lorinsers on, untill i shelled out for this. If you are changing springs or anything else though, it would need doing afterwards.
 

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BADwayz love your car, what is your spring/nib setup, drop height? I have some 17" Monoblock IIs that I want to install and a full AMG body kit just like yours! TIA
My setup was done 28 years ago, you'll have to modify modern parts to your car's set up, cant buy it new. As far as how much its lower, Im not sure. I can barely fit a slim jack under my jack points, and a lot less under the center of the car.

if the rest of your suspension isn't in Order I'd tend to that first.

Jonathan
Very good advice

Seriously, you are afraid that THIS will bottom out if you go lower? Ive never seen one this HIGH before, looks like you can drive over a curb and not bottom out.
If you only lower the front, it will have a crazy rake that only drag strip Camaros should rock. You can lose A LOT of height front and rear and have no worries. Or just take it down an inch all around and keep the stock look.
 

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u know im not entirely sure of the offset of my wheels. and im not too keen on taking them off right now just to check

badwayz, that last pic, actually the left side is a little on the sidewalk, so that might decieve the stance it is....but yeah overall, ive always thought our car sits higher than US cars, even well before the wheel change 5 yr s ago

my fear of bottoming out, comes from my jetta Mk 3 with neuspeed sports and bilstin sports from back in the days, it was reasonably low and sometimes bottom out....im older now, and i dont wana deal with a car like an ol mercs acting like a tuner car....

yes i want it lower but i just wanna get that right balance

another Q, if i lower the car, wont i have to adjust control arms to prevent camber errors?
 

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u know im not entirely sure of the offset of my wheels. and im not too keen on taking them off right now just to check

badwayz, that last pic, actually the left side is a little on the sidewalk, so that might decieve the stance it is....but yeah overall, ive always thought our car sits higher than US cars, even well before the wheel change 5 yr s ago

my fear of bottoming out, comes from my jetta Mk 3 with neuspeed sports and bilstin sports from back in the days, it was reasonably low and sometimes bottom out....im older now, and i dont wana deal with a car like an ol mercs acting like a tuner car....

yes i want it lower but i just wanna get that right balance

another Q, if i lower the car, wont i have to adjust control arms to prevent camber errors?

If you get new suspension pieces or change the height, you should always get a full allignment done, and they will set your car back to 0 tow and as close to 0 camber as they can. I have around -3 degrees of camber, but because my tow is perfect I get very minimum wear on my tires.

And I understand that you dont want to slam you car, I think a nice 1"-1.5" drop all around would give your car a great improvement without comprimising the car
 

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appreciate all advice given, and i feel much more confident in getting this done now....as a car that has been in the family for its entirety, i always prided it being in original condition, but ofcourse i have some of the tuner bug in me so i want to sport it up some,...without destroying it....hopefully in 13 more yrs my little girl will be driving it....
 
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