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Has anyone else reduced their visits to this forum because the pages have been loading very slowly for the past couple of days?
 

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Yes and sometimes will not load at all. Quite annoying.
 

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I notice you are both in the NE region.

It could be an issue with your ISP's DNS server. That happened to me and they got it
sorted out which is amazing considering I have Charter as an ISP.

There has been a lot of online chatter about Comcast's DNS issues that started about Aug 10th
and have yet to be resolved. One thing gets fixed on the and another issue crops up.
I am just using Comcast as an example. See if your ISP has another DNS server to try.
Also just enter the IP address of Benzworld and see if the main page loads any faster.
If it does then it is more than likely a DNS server issue. IP address for Benzworld is 174.36.87.151
 

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Been aggravating the hell outa me since I joined in July. I sped up loading time noticeably by blocking most of the adverts. But it did nothing to relieve the page load errors, which still occur about 20% of the time. FF3 gives me "DNS not found", MSIE gives HTTP501/505. Especially ticks me off when I compose a response, then lose it to a page load error. I've gotten into the habit of copying text to Notepad, anticipating it will get eaten when I try to upload.

My provider (HughesNet, Germantown MD) has several DNS server addresses, same problem no matter which I use. Contacted BenzWorld webmaster 3 times. First time I got a "no DNS problems here" one-liner, 2nd and 3rd times didn't even get a response.

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Usually DNS problems occur with an ISP's DNS server.

BW has had the same URL for years and years. The current IP of 174.36.87.151 is static
and has been the same for at least a year.

It would help if people could that are having problems could list their ISPs. You do not
have to use your ISP's DNS server. There are others out there that are free to use.
The DNS server settings just have to be changed in the internet options of the user's
operating system.
 

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I didn't actually say it was a DNS issue. You assumed, so did the otherwise unresponsive webmaster. I only mentioned that FF3 reports a vague and otherwise undefined DNS error. Note further that the MSIE error has nothing to do with DNS (HTTP501/505). And before you ask, yes - I've reverted both browsers to HTTP1 for days at a time. No change. So I do not take either browser error literally, their error message cache is simply too limited to accurately define this issue.

I'm more inclined to believe it's a server time-out issue. Premium members may be able to speak to this. The standard membership suffers advertising overload, which means there are dozens of external links that must be extended for each and every page load. If/when member browsers don't respond to each and every packet, the BenzWorld server simply drops the page to that member's address (times out). That's what it looks like from this side anyway.

By the way, I'd be interested in your take on why I see this problem about 20% of the time while browsing BenzWorld, but less than 1% of the time when browsing the entire rest of the Internet.......

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I didn't actually say it was a DNS issue. You assumed, so did the otherwise unresponsive webmaster. I only mentioned that FF3 reports a vague and otherwise undefined DNS error. Note further that the MSIE error has nothing to do with DNS (HTTP501/505). And before you ask, yes - I've reverted both browsers to HTTP1 for days at a time. No change. So I do not take either browser error literally, their error message cache is simply too limited to accurately define this issue.

I'm more inclined to believe it's a server time-out issue. Premium members may be able to speak to this. The standard membership suffers advertising overload, which means there are dozens of external links that must be extended for each and every page load. If/when member browsers don't respond to each and every packet, the BenzWorld server simply drops the page to that member's address (times out). That's what it looks like from this side anyway.

By the way, I'd be interested in your take on why I see this problem about 20% of the time while browsing BenzWorld, but less than 1% of the time when browsing the entire rest of the Internet.......

//greg//
I'm in the UK & I have never had any issues since joining the Forum as a standard member at the beginning of the year. I'm using FF3 & my ISP is British Telecom.
 

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I didn't actually say it was a DNS issue. You assumed, so did the otherwise unresponsive webmaster. I only mentioned that FF3 reports a vague and otherwise undefined DNS error. Note further that the MSIE error has nothing to do with DNS (HTTP501/505). And before you ask, yes - I've reverted both browsers to HTTP1 for days at a time. No change. So I do not take either browser error literally, their error message cache is simply too limited to accurately define this issue.

I'm more inclined to believe it's a server time-out issue. Premium members may be able to speak to this. The standard membership suffers advertising overload, which means there are dozens of external links that must be extended for each and every page load. If/when member browsers don't respond to each and every packet, the BenzWorld server simply drops the page to that member's address (times out). That's what it looks like from this side anyway.

By the way, I'd be interested in your take on why I see this problem about 20% of the time while browsing BenzWorld, but less than 1% of the time when browsing the entire rest of the Internet.......

//greg//
Quite simply your ISP ISP. Only a minute percentage (<1%) of the W211
regulars have even responded to this thread is clear that the majority
of the W211 readers and forum participants are not having an issue. That
is not an assumption, that is a statistical fact.
I promise not to assume anything ever again even if it is an attempt to
help out another member. And for the record regardless of what your post
previous to mine was, I still believe it is an ISP DNS issue. Pages load here
like they are on my fiber LAN. Blazing fast.
You may also be right that the advertising links are an issue with the very
few that have posted a problem. There URLs are always changing as ads
change to different images etc...
 

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This topic is barely two days old, so what's with the bum's rush to quash it? Not counting your clear bias, there are three members that see the problem, two that don't. So your "<1% of W211 owners" proclamation may not turn out to be as supportable as you think. And W211 is just one category of dozens on the BenzWorld server. In your enthusiasm to cast blame elsewhere, you've avoided addressing the MSIE HTTP501/505 error - which clearly has nothing to do with DNS. Nor have you considered why I have experience this problem with a good 20% of the page loads here, and less than 1% of the time elsewhere. As have I'm sure the others that have chimed in here so far. Cut us some slack Quick Draw.

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I also have experimented super slow page loads here, not anywere else.
 

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RE: Slow Page Loads

Same issue here in the Charlotte area. In fact, it took 90 seconds just for the page to load after I selected "reply" to this thread. It has been painfully slow for just over a week now. I am not having this issue with other sites.
 

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Discussion Starter · #13 ·
For the "experts:"
While Benz World web page-loading takes well over a minute to load for me, MB World (and any other web page I visit) takes less than 2 seconds to load. I am by far NOT an expert, but I'm leaning in the direction that it's a Benz World server issue. I just wanted to know if it was on my end or not.

Guys, no more sniping, OK? ;)
 

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Now we are getting some more people that have problems. I stand corrected.

Based on what I am reading I owe Greg a mulligan on my snappy reply.

As far as the MSIE HTTP501/505 error I did not get it on Firefox or Safari, but then booted
into Windows XP Pro and using Explorer this place slows way down and I did get the
MSIE HTTP501/505 error that Greg pointed out.
Apparently up through Vista MS is aware of the issue and blames it on some sites not
using HTTP Protocol 1.1 or better. There are workarounds listed at MS for the issue
when a site is using HTTP 1.0.
This site is 1.1, but it is linked to so many sites that it is a guess as to which ones are
causing the problems.

I a not assuming that everybody on Windows is using Explorer, but the ones that are
are most likely to experience slow loads. I did using MS IE7, then used the Windows
version of Firefox and it was huge improvement. I have not tried Chrome, Opera,
Camino etc...

Safari seems fine on both Mac and Windows, but I have had it hang for 5-10 seconds
and then speed right back up here.

So what browsers are causing people the most grief on Windows or Mac?
 

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Given that reverting browsers to HTTP1.0 is not a solution either, I put no more faith in the accuracy of the MSIE error than I expressed previously about the FF error. Both browsers are simply digging into their very limited cache of error messages, and throwing out what the problem they think the reason might have been.

I'm still suggesting that the solution lies in extending the BenzWorld server timeout period. When some unknown number of page loading connections cannot be made (in time) between the multiplicity of external advertising links and the requesting browser, the server in the middle (BenzWorld) simply drops the page. FF interprets it one way, MSIE another.

As you can see not all of us - having failed to obtain satisfaction from local solutions - are sitting on our hands out here . What harm can it do to extend the BenzWorld server timeout parameter - if for no other reason that just to prove me wrong ?

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I am also experienceing extremley slow loading web pages on this site only. This is through multiple computers, different Isp's and also different web browsers. Very frustrating.
 

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Slow in SoCal

I'm in SoCal (the OC) and have been having very slow page loads on this website only. Both on my Ipad (on AT&T 3G and a wireless network) and on my computer at home on Cox cable. Must be something going on, never had this problem before.
 

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Now we are getting some more people that have problems. I stand corrected.

Based on what I am reading I owe Greg a mulligan on my snappy reply.
You're a stand-up guy, Noodles.

So what browsers are causing people the most grief on Windows or Mac?
IE v8.0.6001.18702
 

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You're a stand-up guy, Noodles.



IE v8.0.6001.18702
Please tell my wife that :D

This thread is gaining momentum. I wish I could pinpoint the issue. I know if I had
super admin privilege I could look at settings. I have a vBulletin license and had helped
another shooting sports forum with vBadvanced which is what Vertical Scope uses here.

It would be a few clicks to change the timeout settings as Greg suggested.

I also see many more with very slow loading reports so clearly there is an issue. Like
the ones that have posted the issue I would be horribly frustrated also. I feel helpless.
There was a post earlier in the thread that people wondered if a premium user that did not
have the persistent side bar and advertising would have the same issues. I am very tempted
to sign up at premium or lifetime anyway. So if we do get a member with that status
posting problems soon I will upgrade my membership and see what sort of
improvement there may be.

I also have another Mac Pro that I have not put a Windows partition on so
after Nov 1st I will load it up with XP pro and IE8 to see if I can replicate
the issues. I agree with Greg that HTTP 1.0 is not an acceptable solution.
The "built in standard" error codes like the MSIE can be a PITA because as it
was pointed out it may just be browser's best guess. The only way I know
for sure to check for an accurate error would be to log the load and then parse
through entire thing including the exact HTML of the page that failed to load.
Sort of a a catch 22. If it did not load there is no HTML to check.

Hopefully this will get moved up the chain of command with all the people
now chiming in that are all over, on different browsers and ISPs.

To steal a line from Fabidds in the ML forum "Keep the faith" it will get better.
 

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Is it just me, or does it seem like this problem has actually worsened in the last few days?

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