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I was pretty set on my next car project being a vintage Mustang. But, as part of making a short list to ensure certainty other cars started percolating up the short list.

The idea of an SLC is intriguing. It would be a restomod style build while respecting the marque. Don't think big block V8 shoe horned into a ratty example of the car; think Singer Porsche build incrementally performed over several years by a hobbyist using mostly OEM parts from various eras.

The research done so far has lead to some questions that hopefully can be answered in this thread.


1.) Is the easiest way to add a 5 or 6 speed manual transmission to these cars still to machine and weld a plate to an automatic bell housing and adapt the transmission of choice to the plate end?

That was my take away from this thread:

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w126-s-se-sec-sel-sd/1270629-m117-manual-transmission.html

I haven't researched which transmission but T56 or T5 is a strong candidate currently. I have no issues cutting up and jigging the parts to be TIG'ed by a local shop.


2.) As far as performance tuning is concerned a Megasquirt system would likely be selected. Are there any caveats with respect to year of the car to start with?


3.) I've seen mention of swapping in a 500SE[L] engine into the 380SLC and 450SLC cars but have yet to see mention of the 560SE[L] engine. Is the 560 engine physically larger and/or heavier? It's still an M117, correct? Is it not done due to not being a performance engine? The 560SL used the same engine, no? Better off to stick with the 500 engine for performance reasons?


4.) The engine will see some tweaks. I am interested in swapping OEM PnP'ed cylinder heads and camshafts and tuning to run on 91 octane (see MS above). What is an appropriate dynamic and static compression ratio to shoot for with these engines? The cams selected would likely be custom grinds based on the AMG stage one profiles I've seen mentioned here. Or some other grind recommended by the cam shop or others here. Maybe something bit more aggressive even, don't mind a bit of throb at idle.


5.) There doesn't seem to an off the shelf headers for these cars. Did I look in the wrong place? If I can avoid welding up my own headers I'd buy something if it isn't stupid expensive (e.g. under ~$1k).


6.) Is there a specific year range that would lend themselves to being more modification friendly? The only things the car has to absolutely have are air conditioning, power windows and locks, no sun roof. The car will be used for non-competitive track days so whichever year was lightest and had the best weight distribution seems like the obvious choice. Looking at curb weights over the years it appears something changed with Euro-spec in 1975 and every year with NA-spec in from '76 to `79. Any inputs on this appreciated.


7.) Is there a resource somewhere online that lists paint colours available by year? Maybe with example photos? I'm thinking silver or dark silver/grey with black interior would be good.



Thanks in advance for your input!
 

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Avoid all of the 'variables' and get a 5.0 or a 500 SLC as a rolling restoration project. You'd never get any money from an SLC resto-mod but a restored 5.0/500 may pay off big time in the years to come. And, it's a very rare car too.
 

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A 500SLC is probably close to what I want but I was concerned about working over a collectible car versus starting with something more common and going from there.

Weekend engine changes and transmission swaps are no big deal in the "Man Lab" so I figured it would be a more prudent approach.

I'm all ears to ideas though.
 

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It looks like the largest front tire possible is ~225 mm wide? So small...

Does anyone make a set of front flares similar to the flares Carlsson used on their W123 rally car?
 

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My convertible would be your perfect platform. Or maybe some 450slc 5.0 like dgosh28's which is already pretty far from the stock config (color, interior, rust).

I can see both angles:
- Don't want to modify a potentially collectible car.
- don't want to put so much effort into something that will never be worth much.

A good balance would be to do modification that AMG might have down to the car. Get your hands on the dogleg GETRAG transmission (assuming better than the overdrive version for sport performance) and mount it up to a 5.0 that has AMG-like modification. Then you will have something that will fetch more than a stock 026.

Speaking of finding a GETRAG transmission. Does anyone know where to get the right one for a 5.0? That could replicate what AMG did?




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It looks like the largest front tire possible is ~225 mm wide? So small...

Does anyone make a set of front flares similar to the flares Carlsson used on their W123 rally car?
See the "how much tire can you stuff in there? - fronts/rears" thread. PetesMga just stuffed 245/50/16 on 8x16 et11 on all four corners, a new record for the fronts I think. People have done wider on the rears. 265 / 275 I think and definitely plenty of 10x17 et17 AMG oz wheels with a little roll of the rear fender.




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Ahh, I must have missed the 245 front set up during that thread (I've been searching on and off over the last few days). I skimmed the thread but must have missed that setup. 245 is adequate for my purposes, 255 would be better.

I'm not worried about getting the money out of the car if I ever sell it. The car hobby is always a money pit regardless and I'm ok with that. Bt/dt as they say.

I saw a thread where someone had taken a four speed that was mated to the iron M117 and added a 6 cylinder five speed tail housing (effectively) to create a 5 speed that would fit the iron M117.

That won't fit the alloy M117 though, correct? I need the alloy engine for my purposes. Is it just a matter of a bolt hole or two not aligning or are the bolt patterns completely different?

I also saw mention that these four speeds are very balky and not "sporting" to shift. Any truth to that or is it just a matter of worn out, 30 year old bushings being an issue?

Is the transmission tunnel too small to deal with a T56?

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I think you mean M116. Manual box was never fitted to M117 by M-B.
I think you are correct, and it's most likely MBFool's car.
 

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Yes, the tremec fitment will require bashing of the trans tunnel to make it fit.

Look for a toyota W55 or W57 5 speed and mate that to your auto-trans bellhousing.

You'll have to pull the crank, have a flywheel made to suit and have the bottom end balanced, including the front damper and pulleys.

Alloy M117's have advantages and disadvantages. biggest disadvantage is the alusil finish on the bore. you need specialized tooling in a machine shop to correctly finish the bores in an alloy m117. it's normally cost prohibitive. fortunately this archilles heel is also one of the alloy blocks biggest strengths. The bores seal extremely well and last a very very long time.

If you use the 4.5 iron block, you can bore it out to a larger size and use a 500 or 560 crank if justifiable. If you're going to do bottom end work -
Aim for Static CR of 10.5:1 any more and you're asking for trouble.

Arias and Wiseco make custom forged pistons. Mahle made the OE forged pistons. The Mahle pistons are great. they are also f-ing expensive.

Camshafts: chilled cast iron blanks are all you should use. Feind motorsports is doing a big duration cam - approx 276º which is about as big as you need on the street. You will chew fuel with this setup.

Insofar as year or version goes.... you want an early D-jet 450 for ease of EFI install, or if you're prepared to leave the engine alone, then the straight k-jet 500 alloy block high compression engine is what you want.

There are factory tri-y cast steel headers available for LHD 107's. The 107026 has them as standard. If you're looking for them, then be prepared to fight to the death for them with other forum members.
It's easier to fabricate your own, or get a good shop to fab them for you, and make sure you ceramic coat them inside and out to keep the engine bay heat to a minimum.

mount a trigger wheel from This Guy on Fleabay on the front pulley (weld it on and test fit your sensor before you send pulley off with the crank for balancing)


Paint codes for Mercedes-Benz can be found at Classicway - Mercedes Paintcodes


Fitting a tyre wider than 235 will end in tears and terrible tramlining. The offset is critical in making the front track properly. a 9" rim can fit, but is pointless. the AMG 8.5 rims are about as far as you can go without causing steering clearance issues and prevent excessive tramlining. the ET for that rim is +18mm. A 16x8 ET11 is the next closest. a 16x9 ET0 is a problem.

You would be advised to be very careful with rim & tyre selection especially if you are going to track the car. If you are, I would honestly suggest you use a set of 16x8 and run an R spec 225/50R16 compound and forget about going any wider on tread. Your car does not have the chassis dynamics to be considered a bitumen hero. The SLC's were much better in Rally events than on the track.

But first, you need to find a GOOD car. because finding a cheap half-good vehicle will cost you a whole lot more than you bargained for.
 
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GGR. Here's the post, so yeah, M116.

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/4593330-post31.html

You also have the option of sourcing an MB 5 speed trans that was fitted to some 6 cyl engines and recreate the very elusive G76/27-A5 that was fitted on a few 3.5 V8s. A true "A5" will be difficult to find and will be expensive but it can be recreated by fitting your 4 speed trans input shaft, constant gear, front cover as well as the top shaft bearings to the 6 cyl. 5 speed trans. It will be a straight fit and will look original. The 4 speed shifter can be modified to work with the 5 speed.
 

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To quote a good friend of mine when I was contemplating gearbox swaps:

"The problem that you pose seems to also have a desire to run with MB parts or parts that MB may have used ( eg Getrag ) on different models to perhaps retain some illusion of originality. If you are using a previous unused combination of MB parts, who is kidding who about originality? Why you would want to run with the uncertainty that this introduces is questionable when a far greater degree of certainty is available (especially regarding torque) with the introduction and/or usage of suitably appropriate propriety parts made by others."

in reference to using a getrag 717.450 gearbox behind an alloy m117.

And He's right. Why bother, when you can get the oval-case toyota w57 5 speed box for next to nothing and it's almost bulletproof.

With the tall diff, you don't need 6 gears either, and the w55 & w57 have heaps of ratios available, so selecting a set of gear ratios is a doodle.
 

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Some fantastic information in here! Thank you!

Yes, the tremec fitment will require bashing of the trans tunnel to make it fit.

Look for a toyota W55 or W57 5 speed and mate that to your auto-trans bellhousing.

You'll have to pull the crank, have a flywheel made to suit and have the bottom end balanced, including the front damper and pulleys.
With what I have in mind I figure that the engine will be in the low 300 range for HP. Let's say 325 for conversation. That is just a guessimate from what I've seen posted in this forum from other people's builds.

These are naturally torquey engines...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_M117_engine

Can I expect the same ballpark in TQ or more? Less? (i.e. 325-350 lb-ft?) Or will PnP'ing the heads really drop TQ at expense of HP?

I ask in the context of getting away with fitting a T5. They are a small and light transmission that can live in the TQ range if treated right. Maybe it'll fit.

I'll investigate the Aisin-Warner stuff all the same.

Alloy M117's have advantages and disadvantages. biggest disadvantage is the alusil finish on the bore. you need specialized tooling in a machine shop to correctly finish the bores in an alloy m117. it's normally cost prohibitive. fortunately this archilles heel is also one of the alloy blocks biggest strengths. The bores seal extremely well and last a very very long time.
Is there enough material in the block to have new liners/sleeves installed?

I'm after the alloy block to keep the front end as light as possible... all about turn-in.

I've read about alusil issues in BMWs in the past. The general rule of thumb seems to be that if compression is fine and you run the right oil [? muddled ?] there are really no issues with using an alusil block engine - at least with BMW engines.

If you use the 4.5 iron block, you can bore it out to a larger size and use a 500 or 560 crank if justifiable. If you're going to do bottom end work -
Aim for Static CR of 10.5:1 any more and you're asking for trouble.
Ok, great data point, thanks. The alloy and iron block engines use identical cylinder heads from a combustion chamber point of view? Just wondering if there are any caveats on CR relative to variant of the engine.

Is there an "easy" set of heads that will give a bump in CR with minimal machine work?

Specific Euro heads on a 560 bottom end maybe?

Is milling the heads possible on these engines? Get half a point of CR?

Not interested in building up the CC's with welding in the chambers at this point.

Arias and Wiseco make custom forged pistons. Mahle made the OE forged pistons. The Mahle pistons are great. they are also f-ing expensive.
To start I'd stick with a factory bottom end and beat on that for a while and see where it leads. That means getting one of the higher CR engines listed in the Wikipedia link above. Readily available donors in North America? What does ECE stand for?

Camshafts: chilled cast iron blanks are all you should use. Feind motorsports is doing a big duration cam - approx 276º which is about as big as you need on the street. You will chew fuel with this setup.
I saw those cams... that makes things easy. Don't care about fuel economy, between working from home 80% of the time and driving the A4 into the city when I need to I don't care about fuel economy on a hobby car. As long as the tank is large enough for 30 minute sessions on open track I'm good. Weekend open-road driving is similar.


Thanks again for the information. It is helping to decide whether I want to pursue this... still interested at this point. I like the idea idea of a retro sports/muscle car that is built to a specification instead of to a dollar amount.
 

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To quote a good friend of mine when I was contemplating gearbox swaps:

"The problem that you pose seems to also have a desire to run with MB parts or parts that MB may have used ( eg Getrag ) on different models to perhaps retain some illusion of originality. If you are using a previous unused combination of MB parts, who is kidding who about originality? Why you would want to run with the uncertainty that this introduces is questionable when a far greater degree of certainty is available (especially regarding torque) with the introduction and/or usage of suitably appropriate propriety parts made by others."

in reference to using a getrag 717.450 gearbox behind an alloy m117.

And He's right. Why bother, when you can get the oval-case toyota w57 5 speed box for next to nothing and it's almost bulletproof.

With the tall diff, you don't need 6 gears either, and the w55 & w57 have heaps of ratios available, so selecting a set of gear ratios is a doodle.
Totally agree. I'm not a purist. I want a fun hobby car that is of good quality. Something that hauls ass for what it is but I can drive a few hours at a time on open roads and not feel beat up afterwards.

I'd even consider an engine swap to an LS3, Coyote or similar but I want to fully investigate going the MB route initially. I figure that between a manual transmission and adding 100+ hp the car should be plenty entertaining. If I was really serious about going fastest on track I'd have kept my built S2000 and added a blower or be looking at a Z06 C6. At this stage of life I can't get out to the track or autocross often enough to get really fast so I might as well just do it for entertainment and having fun.

Twenty-five years ago I had an opportunity to buy an AMG 450 SLC that fell through and it has been haunting the back of my mind ever since as a missed opportunity. Maybe now is the time to pursue a "grown up" car.
 

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Fitting a tyre wider than 235 will end in tears and terrible tramlining. The offset is critical in making the front track properly. a 9" rim can fit, but is pointless. the AMG 8.5 rims are about as far as you can go without causing steering clearance issues and prevent excessive tramlining. the ET for that rim is +18mm. A 16x8 ET11 is the next closest. a 16x9 ET0 is a problem.

You would be advised to be very careful with rim & tyre selection especially if you are going to track the car. If you are, I would honestly suggest you use a set of 16x8 and run an R spec 225/50R16 compound and forget about going any wider on tread. Your car does not have the chassis dynamics to be considered a bitumen hero. The SLC's were much better in Rally events than on the track.

But first, you need to find a GOOD car. because finding a cheap half-good vehicle will cost you a whole lot more than you bargained for.

Do you know off hand what the ideal offset to scrub radius range would be on these cars?

I have no issues with massaging the sheet metal to make things work but it sounds like the inside is more troublesome than the outside.

I came into this hoping for a 255 square setup or staggered with more width in the back. I've seen mention of 235s and 245s... in the front. 275s in the back seem doable.

I'd have different wheels and tires for different purposes so....
 

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Also, how are these cars at the limit anyway?

Are they "snappy" or docile?

Rear swing arms are making me scratch my head as to what to expect. Reminds me of an E30.
 

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1. Gearbox. toyota w55 & w57 gearboxes have been used here in oz behind very potent LS series engines and the earlier locally built 308 holden (buick based) and 302W 351W 351C ford engines. and not stockers, but big hp versions. and they hang together easy. so your idea of needing a hugeass box behind an m117 is BS.
Just get something commonly available, which can handle the lb-ft rating. You need compact, because the trans tunnel taper is very steep, look at the current auto and any mercedes manual box. they are extremely compact & efficiently designed. So you need to follow the same thought process.

2. Wheels.
Forget about all the boy racer talk. You need not concern yourself with scrub radius or hub loading. You will never be able to safely approach any corner or apply enough braking force through the vehicle to get anywhere near the structural failure limits (assume, for this purpose, that the vehicle has new / refurbished standard OEM parts).

If you're a dickhead about it, then yes, you will cause yourself issues. Fitting stupid offsets and widths will assist you in doing this.

Stick to the factory offsets & AMG offerings. Remember, they needed to be approved by the TüV before they could be fitted - for a good reason. So your absolute limit, is a 17x8.5 ET18 front with 235/45ZR17 91W , and a 17x10 ET17 rear with 275/40ZR17 91W load rated tyres. In the US, these are easily obtained. Not so in other markets, due to that rear size (camaro SS).

What's funny, is that you will need a fire breathing monster to overcome the chassis dynamics and adhesion limit of R spec rubber in those sizes. That in itself means the car will be totally unusable on the street. If you want to do that, then forget everything, go back to Square #1 and setup the car for track only use, with full rollcage and custom made subframe / chassis components. there will only remain an outer shell of a mercedes. It won't be a Mercedes from anyone's perspective in anything other than shape. (and by that time, all your panels should be composite and glued on, nascar style).

If you truly want a sensible performance car, with all the refinements Mercedes-Benz applied in building the standard vehicle, then stick to originality.
A nice set of period-correct rims, and some small modifications to the cars injection setup are more than enough to give you a very nice, comfortable car to cruise in, to be seen in and admire.
Going too far is very easy, and will ruin aesthetics, driveability, comfort and any value - real or perceived.

If you want performance out of an engine, then you need the AMG cams, or the Feind ones, or a couple of producers in the fatherland who still make them. your best bet is to stick with the hydraulic cams, as the older solid rocker pivots are almost impossible to source, are prohibitively expensive and need frequent adjustment to keep valve lash correct.

the ECE / RüF versions of the 500 and 560 engine differ in only 2 areas: 1. Camshafts (slight change to lobe centreline angle and duration) 2. Static compression (10:1)

Cams are still available, and compression was solved with flat top pistons instead of the standard dished ones. Simple as that. And your engine was good for 220kW factory. Fuel metering on the KE can be adjusted at the EHA on a setup which is not requiring overhaul.

You can also apply the same logic to the 4.5 D-jet engine. but it will require a little more work, that's all. IMO the 5.0 alloy engine is the best offering.

forget about porting & polishing. big waste of time. these things flow massive amounts in the standard configuration. Sauber raced the m117 years ago, and the modifications to the heads were surprisingly small. consequently it is simply not worth spending huge $ investment on something which will net you stuff all except wanker bragging rights "my heads ported & polished" woop-dee-doo. I've seen standard cars flog the snot out of modified ones on the street. So, unless you've got deep pockets and youre racing, forget it.


These cars, when appropriately tuned & modifications kept within the ethos of the original MB-engineered solutions will provide a very safe and to use your words "docile" car on the limit.
You'll get plenty of warning when the cars about to let go, and power oversteer is easy to produce, when the auto is in good nick and shifting properly, and the suspension is also in good condition. If the car needs suspension or transmission work, then the predictability at the limit is not a finite thing, and recovery from a big tail-out moment at speed is not easy with a sluggish badly performing worn out automatic. Just like being one gear too high in a manual, the throttle response will not be sufficient to get you out of jail if you land yourself in there.

So, if you drive sensibly, of course, you'll never reach that limit.
Even if you don't drive sensibly, then the limits of adhesion of the standard vehicle, with good quality rubber, are very high and very predictable.

Now, I'll give you my suggestions as to what's worth doing, from a handling & performance perspective.

1. Springs & dampers. H&R do make springs. Very hard to get. but they make them (still available) What you will not find however, are good dampers. You will need to get some custom made Bilsteins. That will cost you $$$ and will completely bugger the comfortable ride of an SLC. An SL was never 'comfortable' as the shorter wheelbase even on standard suspension is like jello wrestling. looks like fun, until you're in it.

You can, for cosmetic appearance reasons, take your standard springs and remove one coil from the front and one half coil from the rear springs to lower the ride. Make sure you use new spring pads. some extra adjustment can be made on the pads themselves (numbering system) but if you just want to get an 'idea' then you can safely cut the springs with a cutoff wheel on a 4" angle grinder, without creating a tempering issue on the coil.
Careful measurement and a quick cut is necessary when doing this. Measurement is critical, and you only have one chance to cut, you can't cut again or shave mm after a rough cut, as that will create a tempering problem. It is a good method for setting a ride height estimate, if you wish to have aftermarket springs made to a custom rate.
Do not use heat or a hacksaw. both those methods cause problems (temper and cracking / fatigue).

2. Sway (anti-roll) bars. Feind seems to be the only source at the moment. are they worth it? YES. even on an otherwise totally standard car, the absense of extreme body roll in really hard driving is much more satisfying and makes for a more comfortable ride at the limit.
3. Bushes.
I mentioned this in another thread some time ago. replace the rear subframe with genuine bushes. That includes the diff mount as well. On the front, you need something that's a little better than the crap that febi produce. the german 107 SL website guys have an OEM front subframe bush, filled with potted urethane. That's the start.
You should make sure your upper and lower control arm bushes are less than 5 years old. They're not made like they used to be, and as a consequence of cheapass manufacturing practices of the modern era, we're stuck with shit quality rubber bushes by OEM's that last 3-5 years max. after that the compounds degrade and the shore hardness drops right off, to the point where you'd be better off using a sponge in there instead.
Custom cold cured polyurethane with an 83C hardness is absolutely a good idea on the control arms. Not only does it liven up the steering feel, it provides a much more direct tracking feeling from the road. The tradeoff is a tiny increase in NVH levels, and a little more 'feedback' through the steering.

3. Balljoints, tierods, pitman arms, draglinks & steering damper.
replace all of it with new. Use the Lemförder stuff if you can. It seems to be the best quality from all the OEMs, with a reasonable price.

4. Rear end & brakes: Rear brakes are the same for nearly every MB model from 1972-1995-
There are a couple of exceptions: 124 wagons & the C36 come to mind.
Basically, there is nothing wrong with the rear brakes at all. theyre perfect for the application. Rebuild the callipers and use decent pads (OE Ate pads are good but produce dust - a byproduct of a good pad that doesn't fade) and don't forget to rebuild the handbrake as well (new shoes / springs) while you're at it.
the rear wheel bearings are a bugger on the aluminium arms (semi-floating hub), so make sure they're in good condition. R&R of those is a PITA job and time consuming. The 280/350 (early) SL/C's had the one piece rear trailing arm with a more conventional antiroll bar, and this is what the Factory rally cars used. I'm not saying it was a better setup - just that the factory rally cars used that particular setup. whether it was because of simplified maintenance or reliability or improved handling is hard to say. I ripped mine out of Lurch and replaced it with the later anti-dive setup from my 560SEL, and added a new rear antiroll bar.

5: Front brakes

the best solution for a 107, short of a full-on stop-tech upgrade front & rear, is to use the 560 master vac & cylinder, with the w126 560 callipers & rotor.

Why the 126? well, they were designed to haul up a hugeass 126 for starters.
Secondly, the rotor, while the same diameter, is much thicker, resulting in better heat dissipation. The pads have much more surface area, and a twin 57mm front piston is never going to fade. Ive tried many times, and even on a track I've blued my rotors but never had fade.

Why not the later model 107 4 piston callipers? well it's simple really. they "ain't all that". Combined with the need to use the late model control arms (560SL has a wider front track to all pre 09/85 107's) the need to use the modified spindle and then the different rotor and fixed 4 piston calliper, it's a case of unless you have the complete 560Sl front end at your disposal, it's a complete WOFTAM.

THEN you have the added problem of finding aftermarket rims to clear the callipers. Gen 1 pentas will not fit, because of calliper clearance problems. Lorinser LO's will not fit - no biggie if these rims aren't your thing, but in terms of styling, these two period-correct rims go a LONG way in getting the nod of approval from those of us who have 107 in our DNA.

So it comes back full-circle, to Rims & tyres. Like everything Mercedes-Benz does, they engineer a complete package. It works in perfect synergy. Everything about these cars is symbiotic. You cannot change one thing without it affecting something else negatively. So any changes you make need to be wholesale and within the same framework that MB engineered their solutions.

You will find it very difficult to improve on an original vehicle in 'collector' condition. I'm of the opinion that everyone who wants to modify a 107, should at least drive an unmodified one that's in concours condition for a few hours. That way the person gains a reasonable understanding of the already good vehicle dynamics and performance.
Yes, by modern standards they are lacking in some handling finesse - but they make up for that in comfort and driveability and enjoyment. What's more - simply bolting on one of the period-correct wheel & tyre combinations from AMG / Lorinser / König etc will provide the 107 with a much more 'sure footed' feeling on the road, than the old 14" steelies, bundts or the 15" 15 hole alloys ever could.

Lastly, some blasphemy. Replace the steering wheel from that huge boat tiller, to a smaller 350mm Momo or Nardi. Or an AMG italvolanti 370mm wheel if you can find one. That alone makes a huge difference to the driving feel. It does however lend itself to a bit of 'instrument obscurity', but it's easily managed by altering the driving position or using a GPS / satnav.

So that's my long-winded and highly opinionated version of what's reasonable & prudent on a 107. I'm sure there will be plenty who disagree in part or entirely, but since I'm speaking from actual practical experience from modifying both my SL & SLC and having the luxury of having a very early model and a very late one, I can see where the factory made the 'needed' improvements. I'm also only stating from experience what I have found to work and what was a waste of time.

I'm not saying that everything I've done has been successful either. a lot of my findings were trial and error, but I've always made an educated decision and done my research before attempting, to ascertain the viability of modification.

I suggest you do the same, find out what works for you, what you would like to do and then research it thoroughly, before committing to the modification. Don't forget to make it reversible if possible, as this guarantees a fallback option if you are dissatisfied, or need to baseline reference your modification in case you need to alter it more than once.

hope that all helps somewhat.
 
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