ok....so I'm looking to buy a 2004-2006 SL500.....now through my search ive noticed a few things-some claim that they have the sports package-is that the same as the AMG package-because i notice a few have the AMG badge on the back and some dont.....I really want an SL500 AMG....but i dont just want it to have a badge put on it-i want the actual package if it IS differant.....Thanks
SL500.....AMG vs Sports Package
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A badge on an SL500 does not make it an AMG. Some people enjoy the look of AMG wheels, lights, body kits, etc. on a non-AMG car. But a badge is just to impress others. A true AMG is about the larger, more powerful engine and suspension and brakes differences. So, if your goal is to show off to others, save your money, buy an non-AMG vehicle and a badge from E-bay.
lol no but i know that u can purchase the amg sports package as an option when u buy the car(im pretty sure anyways)-(which include wheels tires and brakes suspension maybe and w.e.) but the car is basically the same-i want a car that had that option..........so when u purchase the car is there only a sport package option or can u choose between the two packages (or r they the same thing)
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To answer your question. My car is a "Sport" it looks almost like a SL55 AMG. It has AMG bumpers, wheels, etc. Some people like to call the "Sport" an AMG package. Other people put AMG badges on sport to fool people. But unless its a SL55 or better its not an AMG car.
Here are a couple photos of my car for comparison.
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Here are a couple photos of my car for comparison.
i think i'll just play it safe and go for an SL55---this should be fun convincing my dad that its safe enough lol-sl500 got approved lol-after the cls63 was shot down for being to powerful.....i think i'll go with the--"it has a smaller engine than ur s550, and the supercharger is good for gas mileage"---worst part is.....im the one paying for it anyways-lol-wish me luck
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Yes the sport package is a factory item.
Good luck with the car hunt.
Good luck with the car hunt.
There is no such thing as an SL500 AMG - as everyone has said, these have proliferated since the rise of ebay.
AMGs will only have a two numeric digit combination following the model designation - 73 (very few ever made, it is used only by Pagini now), 65, 63, 60, 55, 43, 36, and 32. (The latter arguably the best of them all, but it embarrassed the 55 by being too close to it in power output. As the 55 is really made for the US market, and the V6 was never destined for the US, it lost out and put back on the shelf). The only variances to these were the older 560SEL-AMG and the 'Hammer 330E which were pre Mercedes owning AMG.
Technically the only really 'true' AMG engine is the 63 using the AMG designed M156 engine, whereas the others are 'mildly' tuned Mercedes engines.
The engine in your 55 is not smaller than your S550, but you can try! Good luck on the hunt. Try and get one with a warranty - they are a pig when they go wrong!
AMGs will only have a two numeric digit combination following the model designation - 73 (very few ever made, it is used only by Pagini now), 65, 63, 60, 55, 43, 36, and 32. (The latter arguably the best of them all, but it embarrassed the 55 by being too close to it in power output. As the 55 is really made for the US market, and the V6 was never destined for the US, it lost out and put back on the shelf). The only variances to these were the older 560SEL-AMG and the 'Hammer 330E which were pre Mercedes owning AMG.
Technically the only really 'true' AMG engine is the 63 using the AMG designed M156 engine, whereas the others are 'mildly' tuned Mercedes engines.
The engine in your 55 is not smaller than your S550, but you can try! Good luck on the hunt. Try and get one with a warranty - they are a pig when they go wrong!
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I agree with everything you said except the 'true AMG' part. The 55, my favorite engine, is more than mildly tuned. 514hp is not mild in my book.
LOL, you may want to get your sarcasm meter checked, I think he wasn't being entirely serious. All those AMG tuned engines based on standard MB engines have some serious power increases over stock. Especially that 3.2L supercharged one... that damn thing made 215hp stock and went up to 349hp (and good torque to match) with the supercharger mod! "I'll take a six-pack of whatever he's having, thanks!"
Although the 6.2L engine is an almost wholly new AMG engine, it is a tiny bit based on the 5.5L which is based on the 5.0L. Although the 5.5L was a bored and stroked 5.0L, it basically became its own engine as the AMG arm of MB made their own block castings and engine parts to get the power close to and over 500hp.
One thing I don't understand about the new "6.3" engine though is why AMG decided to do a "revvy" engine rather than a pig-iron torque monster like all their previous engines. The damn thing has a 7200rpm redline for pete's sake!
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I say 'mildly' because AMG are constrained by the fact that their cars have to be driven in all types of traffic by all types of persons - they cannot really have a young starlet cruising down the Boulevard du Midi in Cannes in her sugar-daddy's SL with an off-cam engine lumping all over the place! It spoils the ambience!
Believe me if you have seen a DTM car on a dyno, then you will understand why I use the term 'mildly' !!
My take on the revvi-ness of the 63 Rook, is that in DTM racing, the tracks call for a quick and high revving engine.
Believe me if you have seen a DTM car on a dyno, then you will understand why I use the term 'mildly' !!
My take on the revvi-ness of the 63 Rook, is that in DTM racing, the tracks call for a quick and high revving engine.
While all those are good points, comparing the production line engines with race engines is basically pointless. Usually the only thing shared between them is the number of cylinders and the basic block shape. From what I've read, the 2007 DTM engine was actually a 4.0L with small pistons that revs to over 7500 rpm -- yes, it's big power but only at the top. It looks nothing like the 5.5L used in the C55 AMG which the DTM car is derived from.
With regard to the "6.3", making an engine that generates its big power at the top of the rpm range paired with an automatic gearbox (though it is a wet multi-clutch it still operates as an automatic) is just disappointing. Granted, they have a manual operation for the gearbox, but as most reviewers have experienced firsthand, the power is still somewhat disappointing off the line.
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so this car they just put the amg badge on it-but it has the package anyways
so this car they just put the amg badge on it-but it has the package anyways
I always LOL when I see those types of cars. This makes no sense to me in terms of intelligence. Ok, I understand that you want people to think you have an AMG. People who want people to think that should KNOW what an AMG is. So why don't they remove the SL500 and replace it with an SL55? They have to know that there is no such thing as an SL500 AMG. If they don't, then you have to wonder if they even know what AMG means? If they don't then why do they care about the badge? Makes no sense.
I know that the dealers are taking these as trade in's and did NOT put the AMG badge on there. But why do they advertise it and why do they choose to leave the badge on there?
I can understand a non Benz dealership or a private seller doing that, but you'd think a Benz dealer would think its silly and remove it.
I'd like to see how a salesman describes this car to an uneducated SL500 or SL55 buyer.
I agree - I have always had a secret desire to do a survey amongst motorists in general as to what they think AMG means..? The return will come back with zilch!
We have another type over here - the ones who debadge their cars. There are two subcategories in this - one, the person who is almost embarrassed to have a 350, debadges it to leave everyone wondering and the best of the lot for laughs: the one who removes the SL350 or 500 badge, BUT puts on the AMG badge on the other side !! These guys are an absolute hoot!
Does it really matter I ask? It is a great car anyway, why not just enjoy what you have? I do!
We have another type over here - the ones who debadge their cars. There are two subcategories in this - one, the person who is almost embarrassed to have a 350, debadges it to leave everyone wondering and the best of the lot for laughs: the one who removes the SL350 or 500 badge, BUT puts on the AMG badge on the other side !! These guys are an absolute hoot!
Does it really matter I ask? It is a great car anyway, why not just enjoy what you have? I do!
Agreed. Putting badges that make your car appear to be one better than it is, is tantamount to stuffing a pair of socks down the front of your jeans. Granted, it only hurts those who are shallow enough to notice, but you should feel guilty to yourself for lying about your imagined inadequacy.
Absolutely. Private sellers and small (read: shifty) dealers will usually have no problem with this, but the larger dealers and especially the Mercedes-Benz ones should fix this or at least de-badge it before selling. They have the facilities and the cost is not that much at all.
I still remember this one time that I went to test drive an S500 that was advertised. (This was my first Mercedes experience.) As I walked around the car, I asked if we could pop the hood as I like to look for leaks and excessive dirt. This is when the salesman pops up with "Oh, this is badged as an S500, but it is actually an S430." Though I could understand someone trying to pass off a "cheap" S-Class as something more expensive, I was still like WTF? Why doesn't the dealer fix that sort of thing? You could even resell the S500 badge to make up the cost. When the salesman tells the person, the whole buying experience is tainted in their eyes. They now think they can't trust anything about the car -- or at least, that's what I thought. To this day, I'm so glad I just walked away from it without hesitation. I'll take my Mercedes straight-up or not at all, thank you.:beerchugr:
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There are no SLs in the DTM, though.The cars in the current season are 2005-2008 C-Class models.
The regulations in DTM cap the engine size to max 4 litres (244 ci) and the regulations have not really changed in the last seven or eight years.
The AMG 63 has nothing to do with what's racing over here, nor has any other car AMG puts on the public market
Well, I got that wrong then!
I definitely read in one of the 63 (cannot remember which model) sales brochures that the 156 engine that the 63 is, was developed purely for the DTM cars. Maybe they have poor copy proof readers in MB marketing.
I certainly did not indicate that the SL was in the DTM line-up though!
I definitely read in one of the 63 (cannot remember which model) sales brochures that the 156 engine that the 63 is, was developed purely for the DTM cars. Maybe they have poor copy proof readers in MB marketing.
I certainly did not indicate that the SL was in the DTM line-up though!
Yes. Yes you did. Now go stand in the corner... :banghead: LOL
I had no idea the DTM engines displacement were capped so low. I thought it was more like 5.0L with a rev limit. No wonder BMW made the M3 engine only 4.0L when they had a range of perfectly good 4.4L, 4.6L and 4.8L engines waiting in the wings. Well, the 4.0L BMW engine does rev to 8300+ rpm though!
It wouldn't be the first time. You know those darn Germans are always screwing up sh^t.
Oh wait.
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