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your car is due for 40,000 mile service basically, what MB recommends usually according to their service sheet is...being you have a 03 e-class (211 chassis) you have that FSS + service system which all of your service are based on numbers, a service #12 and 14 is probably due which is oil change, check over of entire vehicle (brakes, suspension, oil leaks, engine air filters, tires, battery, spare tire, ect) a transmission service/transfer case service is usually due one time at 40,000 (service 20). brake fluid replacement is recommended every 20,000 miles or 2 yrs so your vehicle is probably due for that also...check with your local dealer on pricing it all varies. your service advisor should also know how to bring up the service menu in your cluster and show you exactly what services are due if not just ask a tech at the dealer...i know how but its hard to explain via typing on the internet. hope what i have told you will help and best of luck with your vehicle, i love the older e-55's id love one myself, take care

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your car is due for 40,000 mile service basically, what MB recommends usually according to their service sheet is...being you have a 03 e-class (211 chassis) you have that FSS + service system which all of your service are based on numbers, a service #12 and 14 is probably due which is oil change, check over of entire vehicle (brakes, suspension, oil leaks, engine air filters, tires, battery, spare tire, ect) a transmission service/transfer case service is usually due one time at 40,000 (service 20). brake fluid replacement is recommended every 20,000 miles or 2 yrs so your vehicle is probably due for that also...check with your local dealer on pricing it all varies. your service advisor should also know how to bring up the service menu in your cluster and show you exactly what services are due if not just ask a tech at the dealer...i know how but its hard to explain via typing on the internet. hope what i have told you will help and best of luck with your vehicle, i love the older e-55's id love one myself, take care

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Mike: Thanks for your input, I will have my mechanic look into it and get me pricing. Question; What do you mean by saying 03 e-class? I drive a 05 E55. I'm new when it comes to the E-Class car and chassis, is that what I have a 211 chassis? Thanks again and have a great weekend! :thumbsup:
 

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Haha I'm sorry I read that wrong about your year of car, but its still the same service system as an 03 so no worries...all 211 chassis E classes have the same service system...and yes your chassis is called 211 which is model years 2003-2009 and the new E classes are called 212 (sedan) and 207(coupe)
 

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I have practically the same car as yours 06 E55 AMG. You only need to do:
Oil change, air filter change. == > Service B
Service D means they gonna spend 4 hours in your car so $150 X 4 hours = $600 + Service B $260 = total $860.

Please, do not take advise from people who doesn't know anything about their car ! You don't need to go to dealer to do all those things. The oil and air filter change only cost $180 in independent shop.

The service D ==> They will check your car and spend 4 hours is totally BS. Don't spend money on dealer just to check your car. They only do very minimum check and 1 hour job will charge you 4 hours thats why they are call Stealer !

Just find a independent shop that know how to fix Mercedes and let then do Service B and they will check if anything wrong with your car for free not $600 ! And when your car hit 50k miles, just change the tranny oil. A very simple tranny oil change cost $250 and your are good to go until it hit 100K miles.

After 100K you will do:
Oil change, Air filter change, plugs/wires, tranny oil change, flush radiator, brake oil flush, differential oil change, supercharge belt and V belt change. DONE. No need to do anything more if not broken because it won't help at all.
 

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your car is due for 40,000 mile service basically, what MB recommends usually according to their service sheet is...being you have a 03 e-class (211 chassis) you have that FSS + service system which all of your service are based on numbers, a service #12 and 14 is probably due which is oil change, check over of entire vehicle (brakes, suspension, oil leaks, engine air filters, tires, battery, spare tire, ect) a transmission service/transfer case service is usually due one time at 40,000 (service 20). brake fluid replacement is recommended every 20,000 miles or 2 yrs so your vehicle is probably due for that also...check with your local dealer on pricing it all varies. your service advisor should also know how to bring up the service menu in your cluster and show you exactly what services are due if not just ask a tech at the dealer...i know how but its hard to explain via typing on the internet. hope what i have told you will help and best of luck with your vehicle, i love the older e-55's id love one myself, take care

Mike
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What ? brake oil every 20k miles or 2 years ??? i have never never hear change brake oil in the service manual and FSS will not tell you what to do.
They just show up, Service A, B, C, D
A is for 1 hour
B 2 hours
C 3 hours
D 4 hours

And when they do Service D they just do very basic check and don't even do anything at all. Service D is about $600 and you can already flush your tranny, brake, engine oil so why let someone sit there and do nothing just charge hours.
 

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I have practically the same car as yours 06 E55 AMG. You only need to do:
Oil change, air filter change. == > Service B
Service D means they gonna spend 4 hours in your car so $150 X 4 hours = $600 + Service B $260 = total $860.

Please, do not take advise from people who doesn't know anything about their car ! You don't need to go to dealer to do all those things. The oil and air filter change only cost $180 in independent shop.

The service D ==> They will check your car and spend 4 hours is totally BS. Don't spend money on dealer just to check your car. They only do very minimum check and 1 hour job will charge you 4 hours thats why they are call Stealer !

Just find a independent shop that know how to fix Mercedes and let then do Service B and they will check if anything wrong with your car for free not $600 ! And when your car hit 50k miles, just change the tranny oil. A very simple tranny oil change cost $250 and your are good to go until it hit 100K miles.

After 100K you will do:
Oil change, Air filter change, plugs/wires, tranny oil change, flush radiator, brake oil flush, differential oil change, supercharge belt and V belt change. DONE. No need to do anything more if not broken because it won't help at all.
E55: I HAVE SEVERAL (NON-DEALER) MECHANICS AND MY GUY ONLY CHARGED ME $150 FOR SERVICE D. THANKS FOR GIVING ME THE KNOWLEDGE TO CONVERSE WITH HIM THOUGH. I MENTIONED WHAT YOU SAID AND HE AGREED, THAT WAS HUGE! UNFORTUNATELY, I CAN SEE THIS CAR GOING BEYOND 100K AS I ABSOLUTELY LOVE TO DRIVE IT AND THANKS FOR THE TIPS! HAVE A GREAT DAY...... :beerchugr:
 

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No problem ! Good to see a nice running E55K !
Few things you have to be aware with this car:
- Airmatic suspension, if goes bad you will see a warning sign "Car too low"
and you can buy from Arnott struct for lifetime warranty.
- CPS ==> Crank position sensor. Hard to start the car. part $150 + $50 labor
so about $200 cost
- Intercooler pump might fail when you drive very hard your car, the Supercharge will shut down so you might need to upgrade the pump. Johnson CM30 about $160 + labor $100

Again, I rather spend the money on actually changing the items than spend money in dealer just check your car. However, if there is big issue that independent shop can't diagnostic, Go dealer.

Good luck and enjoy the car ! and try not to get a ticket....
 

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No problem ! Good to see a nice running E55K !
Few things you have to be aware with this car:
- Airmatic suspension, if goes bad you will see a warning sign "Car too low"
and you can buy from Arnott struct for lifetime warranty.
- CPS ==> Crank position sensor. Hard to start the car. part $150 + $50 labor
so about $200 cost
- Intercooler pump might fail when you drive very hard your car, the Supercharge will shut down so you might need to upgrade the pump. Johnson CM30 about $160 + labor $100

Again, I rather spend the money on actually changing the items than spend money in dealer just check your car. However, if there is big issue that independent shop can't diagnostic, Go dealer.

Good luck and enjoy the car ! and try not to get a ticket....
Thanks for the continued tips E55! No ticket yet but there will be one soon as I continue to race anything and everything and still beat it! Did I mention my car had some kind of Dyno chip installed prior to buying, it's really fast and have no problem beating higher end luxury cars like the Lambo! Ciao
 

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Are you in California Huntington Beach ? You should meet a lot of luxury car. In my area nothing interesting....... I guess I am the fastest sedan around here. I have raced a W212 E63 up to 100MPH and i was about 2 car length ahead. I guess his 20" rims didn't help much.....
 

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What ? brake oil every 20k miles or 2 years ??? i have never never hear change brake oil in the service manual and FSS will not tell you what to do.
You definitely should change your brake fluid every 20k miles or 2 years. Brake fluid is hygroscopic and over time will have water in it. Also if you drive aggressively during a DE, etc., (i.e., track time where brakes get a lot of abuse and brake fluid can boil) you should change it more often (after the DE.)

And yes, it's noted clearly in the maintenance manual: "Replace brake fluid every 20k miles or two years."

Brake fluid is not "brake oil." Brake fluids are not petroleum-based; DOT 4 or DOT 5 fluids (higher boiling points) are silicon or glycol based. Silicon is hydrophobic but is not used in ABS systems. Mercedes/AMG recommends DOT 4 Plus glycol brake fluid for the E55 with SBC. It's part number 000989080701. Because it's glycol and is hygroscopic you do need to change it if you don't want corrosion in the system.

To the OP: AMG/Daimler has dropped the FSS for later cars. All service is based on time/mileage now. You can safely use the conventional time/mileage service intervals and change your oil at intervals that are appropriate for your environment and driving habits (my changes are at 7k miles based on my UOAs I do with each oil drain.) Your tech can adjust the FSS oil interval reminder that pops up on the IC to fit your intervals.

All this info is available on numerous Daimler websites.
 

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You definitely should change your brake fluid every 20k miles or 2 years. Brake fluid is hygroscopic and over time will have water in it. Also if you drive aggressively during a DE, etc., (i.e., track time where brakes get a lot of abuse and brake fluid can boil) you should change it more often (after the DE.)

And yes, it's noted clearly in the maintenance manual: "Replace brake fluid every 20k miles or two years."

Brake fluid is not "brake oil." Brake fluids are not petroleum-based; DOT 4 or DOT 5 fluids (higher boiling points) are silicon or glycol based. Silicon is hydrophobic but is not used in ABS systems. Mercedes/AMG recommends DOT 4 Plus glycol brake fluid for the E55 with SBC. It's part number 000989080701. Because it's glycol and is hygroscopic you do need to change it if you don't want corrosion in the system.

To the OP: AMG/Daimler has dropped the FSS for later cars. All service is based on time/mileage now. You can safely use the conventional time/mileage service intervals and change your oil at intervals that are appropriate for your environment and driving habits (my changes are at 7k miles based on my UOAs I do with each oil drain.) Your tech can adjust the FSS oil interval reminder that pops up on the IC to fit your intervals.

All this info is available on numerous Daimler websites.
Myself I adjust few times and reset the FSS (google search not very hard) I am totally disagree about Brake flush every 2 years or 20K miles, this is total BS. If u have too much time and money, go ahead, do it. I have owned few cars in the past with 100K miles plus, never did brake flush. Of course the service manual always tell you to change more often possible, Mercedes can make $$$ on material and labor (if u go to dealer) If the manual shows change oil every 1K miles will you do it ??? You can do it ! no harm but waste of time and money. Think about it, today engine oil change with synthetic last 10K to 15K miles and you want to change Brake fluid in 20k miles :confused:
 

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Myself I adjust few times and reset the FSS (google search not very hard) I am totally disagree about Brake flush every 2 years or 20K miles, this is total BS. If u have too much time and money, go ahead, do it. I have owned few cars in the past with 100K miles plus, never did brake flush. Of course the service manual always tell you to change more often possible, Mercedes can make $$$ on material and labor (if u go to dealer) If the manual shows change oil every 1K miles will you do it ??? You can do it ! no harm but waste of time and money. Think about it, today engine oil change with synthetic last 10K to 15K miles and you want to change Brake fluid in 20k miles :confused:
What do you know about DOT 3 and 4 brake fluid? Do you know how hygroscopic it is? Do you understand boiling points and water contamination? Do you know about the SBC that you have in your E55? What about modern ABS systems? Have you ever even tested the moisture content in your fluid? Why not? It's very easy to do (you can even use test strips.) And it's not hard to change your own fluid either: DIY Brake Fluid Change - MBWorld.org Forums But be very careful since you have SBC and you can hurt yourself easily. Maybe that's your real concern (which is understandable.) All E55/63 owners I know have changed their brake fluids within 2 years/20k miles. It's not an abnormal thing to do at all Brake Fluid Flush - MBWorld.org Forums

Anyway, it's your car, you can take care of it properly or just beat on it and sell it when it fails you. There are a lot of used E55 for sale these days for less $$ than a used Camry.
 

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Are you in California Huntington Beach ? You should meet a lot of luxury car. In my area nothing interesting....... I guess I am the fastest sedan around here. I have raced a W212 E63 up to 100MPH and i was about 2 car length ahead. I guess his 20" rims didn't help much.....
E55: Yes, I live in HB/CA and there are quite a few luxury cars here. I am proving that this sedan is one of the fastest around! :D
 

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You definitely should change your brake fluid every 20k miles or 2 years. Brake fluid is hygroscopic and over time will have water in it. Also if you drive aggressively during a DE, etc., (i.e., track time where brakes get a lot of abuse and brake fluid can boil) you should change it more often (after the DE.)

And yes, it's noted clearly in the maintenance manual: "Replace brake fluid every 20k miles or two years."

Brake fluid is not "brake oil." Brake fluids are not petroleum-based; DOT 4 or DOT 5 fluids (higher boiling points) are silicon or glycol based. Silicon is hydrophobic but is not used in ABS systems. Mercedes/AMG recommends DOT 4 Plus glycol brake fluid for the E55 with SBC. It's part number 000989080701. Because it's glycol and is hygroscopic you do need to change it if you don't want corrosion in the system.

To the OP: AMG/Daimler has dropped the FSS for later cars. All service is based on time/mileage now. You can safely use the conventional time/mileage service intervals and change your oil at intervals that are appropriate for your environment and driving habits (my changes are at 7k miles based on my UOAs I do with each oil drain.) Your tech can adjust the FSS oil interval reminder that pops up on the IC to fit your intervals.

All this info is available on numerous Daimler websites.
6.2AMG: How does the brake fluid get contaminated with water? I thought this system was sealed from outside elements. Or is it because of the breakdown of the glycol addition? Thanks for your input! DG
 

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So E55K,

Here you go;

Quality standards refer to a brake fluid's "dry" and "wet" boiling points. Wet boiling point, which is usually much lower (although above most normal service temperatures), refers to the fluid's boiling point after absorbing a certain amount of moisture. This is several (single digit) percent, varying from formulation to formulation. Glycol-ether/dot three/dot four/dot five point one brake fluids are hygroscopic (water absorbing), which means they absorb moisture from the atmosphere under normal humidity levels. Non-hygroscopic fluids (e.g. silicone/DOT 5-based formulations), are hydrophobic, and can maintain an acceptable boiling point over the fluid's service life, although at the cost of potential phase separation/water pooling and freezing/boiling in the system over time - the main reason single phase hygroscopic fluids are used.

Most automotive professionals agree that glycol-based brake fluid, (DOT 3, DOT 4, DOT 5.1) should be flushed, or changed, every 1–2 years.[2] Many manufacturers also require periodic fluid changes to ensure reliability and safety. Once installed, moisture diffuses into the fluid through brake hoses and rubber seals and, eventually, the fluid will have to be replaced when the water content becomes too high. Electronic testers and test strips are commercially available to measure moisture content. The corrosion inhibitors also degrade over time. New fluid should always be stored in a sealed container to avoid moisture intrusion.

Unfortunately, I can't take credit for the above. Came from Wikipedia.

Myself, living in the greater Seattle area, would prefer to err on the side of caution. I am in total agreement with 6.2. :thumbsup:

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So E55K,

Here you go;

Quality standards refer to a brake fluid's "dry" and "wet" boiling points. Wet boiling point, which is usually much lower (although above most normal service temperatures), refers to the fluid's boiling point after absorbing a certain amount of moisture. This is several (single digit) percent, varying from formulation to formulation. Glycol-ether/dot three/dot four/dot five point one brake fluids are hygroscopic (water absorbing), which means they absorb moisture from the atmosphere under normal humidity levels. Non-hygroscopic fluids (e.g. silicone/DOT 5-based formulations), are hydrophobic, and can maintain an acceptable boiling point over the fluid's service life, although at the cost of potential phase separation/water pooling and freezing/boiling in the system over time - the main reason single phase hygroscopic fluids are used.

Most automotive professionals agree that glycol-based brake fluid, (DOT 3, DOT 4, DOT 5.1) should be flushed, or changed, every 1–2 years.[2] Many manufacturers also require periodic fluid changes to ensure reliability and safety. Once installed, moisture diffuses into the fluid through brake hoses and rubber seals and, eventually, the fluid will have to be replaced when the water content becomes too high. Electronic testers and test strips are commercially available to measure moisture content. The corrosion inhibitors also degrade over time. New fluid should always be stored in a sealed container to avoid moisture intrusion.

Unfortunately, I can't take credit for the above. Came from Wikipedia.

Myself, living in the greater Seattle area, would prefer to err on the side of caution. I am in total agreement with 6.2. :thumbsup:

Cheers !!

Mike K.
Mike K: Thanks for posting this!
 
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