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Care to carry on here, now you got the other thread locked? Sorry Z, it was too tempting.
Nope
Made my points
You are a mo-ron
Russia is a corrupt shytehole inferior to the US in every way
Obama is biotch slappin' putin/russia into 3rd world status
russians are stupid or drunk or both to put up with it

Carry on soldier boy lol
 

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And russians treat their war dead like road kill carcuses

I don't have much respect for live russians and less for war criminal dead ones but they deserve better
You reap what you sow
Follow putin and pay the price
 

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^Now that's better is it not, I knew you could not resist me. Please carry on, we are all listening now.
 

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Obama is a pawn on Putin's chess table.
 

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Obama is a pawn on Putin's chess table.
5% of russia lives on less than $4/day
when obama is done with them it will be 10%


chess 'board'
putin has been removed from play, ie, off the 'board'
I figured a seasoned combat vet with numerous campaigns and a dozen years of honorable service under his belt would know better
lol
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So all this "Putin has a bigger schwantz than Obama" and "Obama's schwantz is wrapped around Putin's neck three times and is strangling him" is getting old and pointless. I thought the gist of the Putin tire pumpers was to suggest that the US policy towards Russia is detrimental to Russia, with no apparent payoff to the West. I found some of the discussion in past threads that described how the relationship began to go off the track after the Cold War at least paused useful. All this pointless horseshit being posted is not likely to change anyone's mind, and surely does nothing to help anyone get a perspective on why it is in everyone's best interests to encourage a very close relationship between Russia and the US. Maybe Putin is not in favor of that because he views the US shit throwing press unearthing and then shrieking about policies and practices that can be destabilizing to his more or less Mafia business model. Or maybe the West is concerned that Putin will show us how Russia is so much more productive. I have my view but it doesn't make any difference, and is likely of no value understanding the real issue.

I thought Dis and the others who support Putin were hoping to fix the relationship at the beginning by pointing out some of reasons the relationship is on the rocks, some of which are in response to US/Western actions. But the discussion has degraded so much now it is really not worth reading.

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anyone who thinks russia is benefiting from these tensions is delusional
they are suffering both economically and in the court of world opinion
just because obama isn't a bravado chest thumper don't make the mistake and think he won't slip a knife into your back
congress and europe are ratcheting up the sanctions even further, which is sad becasue it hurts the russian people, not putin, who has stashed away billions of the peoples money
 

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Putin denies Russian troops are in Ukraine, decrees certain deaths secret - The Washington Post

MOSCOW — If there was one weak spot in Russian support for the Kremlin’s aims in Ukraine this year, it was the population’s strong aversion to sending in Russian troops — something Russia denies doing, despite mounting international evidence to the contrary.

Now, Russia can ignore that evidence — as well as any questions citizens might raise — since President Vladimir Putin signed a decree classifying certain peacetime deaths of soldiers as state secrets.

Putin signed an order Thursday making the deaths of Russian troops lost during “special operations” a secret, amending a previous decree that limited such secrecy to deaths of soldiers in wartime. Some watchers can see only one plausible reason for the change: Russia is gearing up for another military push into Ukraine.

We’re in a pre-war situation. Right now there’s going to be another campaign in Ukraine,” said Pavel Felgenhauer, a military analyst based in Moscow, who added that Russia was being secret about losses because “we’re fighting a secret war.”

But war brings about the sort of casualties that can serve as proof of Russia’s involvement in Ukraine, Felgenhauer pointed out.

“If foreigners know about the losses of soldiers in Donbass, that’s not very good,” he said, using a term that refers to eastern Ukraine.“But more important is that the Russian public doesn’t know. So it’s going to be a secret, as it was in Soviet times.”

Russia has long denied its troops are operating in Ukraine, dismissing as fabrications reports of training camps, troop buildups and even the testimony of captured Russian soldiers claiming to be on active duty.

Yet dead and missing soldiers speak to the Russian population louder than NATO satellite images tracking Russian troop movements. And last summer, as news of troops returning from Ukraine in caskets reached the Russian people, the government narrowly avoided an internal crisis.

Eventually, mothers of Russian soldiers clamoring for information on their sons captured in Ukraine were muzzled, while politicians who publicized the secret funerals and burials of Russian soldiers thought to have died in Ukraine were reportedly beaten.
 

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Here's some more propaganda....



"..Posted Yesterday, 17:18

Russia is running around with portable crematorys, to burn the soldiers bodies immediately to hide their losses on Ukranian Soil, reported by mainstream media today. ....




It's in print somewhere so it must be true !
 

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Russian government officials — and even some outside banking institutions — are sounding increasingly confident that the Russian economy has weathered the storm brought on by U.S. and European sanctions, but some private analysts say the worst is yet to come.

Despite a small rebound in world oil prices, “Russia is not out of the woods yet because the sanctions are going to continue to have an impact,” said Steven Pifer, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, a former State Department official who served in Moscow and a former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine.

While the ruble has risen in value during recent weeks and the World Bank and International Monetary Fund have pointed to signs of recovery for Moscow, Mr. Pifer and others say big Russian companies are mired in the throes of a debt crisis that threatens to drain the government of precious currency reserves.

“The ruble has certainly stabilized, and some of the numbers are doing a little better,” Mr. Pifer said, but the bottom line remains that a significant number of major Russian firms are scrambling under sanctions that effectively prevent them from refinancing massive debts with Western lenders.

Ariel Cohen, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council who also heads the Center for Energy, National Resources and Geopolitics at the Institute for the Analysis of Global Security in Washington, goes further.

Read more: Russia recovery talk premature as sanctions threaten to cripple economy - Washington Times

“The sanctions have worked,” he said. “Certainly, they have not worked enough to cause a full Russian retreat from Ukraine and to rout Mr. Putin externally or even hurt him domestically, but if these sanctions persist, those things may happen by the end of 2016.
 

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But a U.S. Treasury Department representative told The Washington Times that, despite the rosier forecasts, “the Russian economy is contracting, inflation is well above target and Russian financial market conditions remain poor.”

Mr. Pifer offered a similar view, asserting that companies such as Moscow’s oil giant Rosneft are desperate for cash but have nowhere to obtain it. By some estimates, Russian companies will need to refinance some $100 billion worth of foreign debt over the coming year in order to maintain operations.

“The question,” Mr. Pifer said, “is, where can the Russians get the money?
 

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^^^^ Perhaps Putin could call in his loans to the US for starters, Russia is number three after China and Germany in terms of foreign credit. Gosh Ingenieure, how do you think that happened? Oh yes and then there was the rocket engines, from Russia with love, right through those sanctions, delivered on time.
 

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Russia has made it a crime to speak, write or broadcast about Russian troop losses in peacetime and about people co-operating with Russian foreign intelligence, in what critics said was a Kremlin attempt to stop all information about Moscow’s involvement in the war in Ukraine


http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/86fdcb96-0555-11e5-bb7d-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3bU0slSOl

The new censorship rules mean families of Russian soldiers killed fighting in Ukraine or activists researching Moscow’s clandestine campaign risk prison sentences of up to eight years.
 

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It appears that the position of just denying there are Russian soldiers fighting in Ukraine cannot last any longer,” said Kirill Koroteev, a lawyer with Memorial, the human rights group.
Earlier this month, associates of the murdered opposition politician Boris Nemtsov published a damning report that said at least 220 active Russian soldiers had died fighting in Ukraine.
 

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Russia has invested in the US
About 1% of the total debt
They did so because the return is higher than they could get elsewhere
Very secure
Unlike investing in russia

The debt russia OWES to US business is ten to twenty times that
The US has no russian gov investments because they ain't worth the paper they are printed on
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Russia's U.S. debt not a threat
March 19 NEW YORK
Russia and the United States have levers to pull in their diplomatic showdown over Ukraine, but the amount of U.S. debt held by Russia won't be one of them.
For one, Russia owns a fairly modest amount of U.S. Treasuries -- and that figure is shrinking. So even if Russia dumped its holdings, it wouldn't have much of an impact.
Figures released Tuesday by the U.S. Treasury Department show Russia owned $132 billion worth of Treasuries at the end of January, down 5% from December.


Treasuries won't be caught up in Russia-U.S. showdown - Mar. 19, 2014
 
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