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Outstanding Contributor Always Remembered RI
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^Can't do that, it would destroy the drug trade. Then what will the US do for an income?

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A few points, Alex;

The person you are responding to was banned. I guess he got a little too strident.

Your country's propaganda ministry sure has Russia pumped up about our president, you people seem to be thinking of him more than we do. If the Russian people really buy all of that crap, well, you are a more gullible people than I thought.

We will be getting a different president in a couple of years. That is unlikely to happen in your country any time soon.
The sanctions came from the White House, no wonder that people who suffer from them, react to it as they could.
What gullibility and propaganda? Russian is very strong, and all the trouble that happens to them makes them stronger and more cohesive.
Please note that it is not a Russian Web site.


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LOL .. There's a few truthers and Mensa minnows in that lot. Oprah visits Hitler ffs

I suspect even Putsy would run a mile after reading that tripe. You need to get a grip Boris.

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..heh heh, the first war crime that comes to mind is the atomic bombing of 'innocent civilians' in Hiroshima ...then Nagasaki

'But Wait There's More' ..the list is too long and I don't want to divert the thread from Putin - the God

heh heh.

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The 21st century isn't going the way Washington's neocons would like, the CIA are careening around out of control, giving weapons to one bunch of lunatics after another.
Training fanatics and arming them in Syria, and fighting them in Iraq.
Do any of them know what they're doing?
If constant war is the objective, they're going the right way about it.
The prophesy of 1984 is happening.
You need to borrow Putin to pull the US into line.

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Recognizing bad, justifying worse.

US Use of Weapons of Mass Destruction

The indiscriminate use of bombs by the US, usually outside a declared war
situation, for wanton destruction, for no military objectives, whose
targets and victims are civilian populations, or what you now call
"collateral damage."

Japan (1945)
China (1945-46)
Korea & China (1950-53)
Guatemala (1954, 1960, 1967-69)
Indonesia (1958)
Cuba (1959-61)
Congo (1964)
Peru (1965)
Laos (1964-70)
Vietnam (1961-1973)
Cambodia (1969-70)
Grenada (1983)
Lebanon (1983-84)
Libya (1986)
El Salvador (1980s)
Nicaragua (1980s)
Iran (1987)
Panama (1989)
Iraq (1991-2000)
Kuwait (1991)
Somalia (1993)
Bosnia (1994-95)
Sudan (1998)
Afghanistan (1998)
Pakistan (1998)
Yugoslavia (1999)
Bulgaria (1999)
Macedonia (1999)

US Use of Chemical & Biological Weapons
The US has refused to sign Conventions against the development and use of
chemical and biological weapons, and has either used or tested (without
informing the civilian populations) these weapons in the following
locations abroad:

Bahamas (late 1940s-mid-1950s)
Canada (1953)
China and Korea (1950-53)
Korea (1967-69)
Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia (1961-1970)
Panama (1940s-1990s)
Cuba (1962, 69, 70, 71, 81, 96)

And the US has tested such weapons on US civilian populations, without
their knowledge, in the following locations:

Watertown, NY and US Virgin Islands (1950)
SF Bay Area (1950, 1957-67)
Minneapolis (1953)
St. Louis (1953)
Washington, DC Area (1953, 1967)
Florida (1955)
Savannah GA/Avon Park, FL (1956-58)
New York City (1956, 1966)
Chicago (1960)

And the US has encouraged the use of such weapons, and provided the
technology to develop such weapons in various nations abroad, including:

South Africa

US Political and Military Interventions since 1945
The US has launched a series of military and political interventions since
1945, often to install puppet regimes, or alternatively to engage in
political actions such as smear campaigns, sponsoring or targeting
opposition political groups (depending on how they served US interests),
undermining political parties, sabotage and terror campaigns, and so forth.
It has done so in nations such as

China (1945-51)
South Africa (1960s-1980s)

France (1947)
Bolivia (1964-75)

Marshall Islands (1946-58)
Australia (1972-75)

Italy (1947-1975)
Iraq (1972-75)

Greece (1947-49)
Portugal (1974-76)

Philippines (1945-53)
East Timor (1975-99)

Korea (1945-53)
Ecuador (1975)

Albania (1949-53)
Argentina (1976)

Eastern Europe (1948-56)
Pakistan (1977)

Germany (1950s)
Angola (1975-1980s)

Iran (1953)
Jamaica (1976)

Guatemala (1953-1990s)
Honduras (1980s)

Costa Rica (mid-1950s, 1970-71)
Nicaragua (1980s)

Middle East (1956-58)
Philippines (1970s-90s)

Indonesia (1957-58)
Seychelles (1979-81)

Haiti (1959)
South Yemen (1979-84)

Western Europe (1950s-1960s)
South Korea (1980)

Guyana (1953-64)
Chad (1981-82)

Iraq (1958-63)
Grenada (1979-83)

Vietnam (1945-53)
Suriname (1982-84)

Cambodia (1955-73)
Libya (1981-89)

Laos (1957-73)
Fiji (1987)

Thailand (1965-73)
Panama (1989)

Ecuador (1960-63)
Afghanistan (1979-92)

Congo (1960-65, 1977-78)
El Salvador (1980-92)

Algeria (1960s)
Haiti (1987-94)

Brazil (1961-64)
Bulgaria (1990-91)

Peru (1965)
Albania (1991-92)

Dominican Republic (1963-65)
Somalia (1993)

Cuba (1959-present)
Iraq (1990s)

Indonesia (1965)
Peru (1990-present)

Ghana (1966)
Mexico (1990-present)

Uruguay (1969-72)
Colombia (1990-present)

Chile (1964-73)
Yugoslavia (1995-99)

Greece (1967-74)

US Perversions of Foreign Elections
The US has specifically intervened to rig or distort the outcome of foreign
elections, and sometimes engineered sham "demonstration" elections to ward
off accusations of government repression in allied nations in the US sphere
of influence. These sham elections have often installed or maintained in
power repressive dictators who have victimized their populations. Such
practices have occurred in nations such as:

Philippines (1950s)
Italy (1948-1970s)
Lebanon (1950s)
Indonesia (1955)
Vietnam (1955)
Guyana (1953-64)
Japan (1958-1970s)
Nepal (1959)
Laos (1960)
Brazil (1962)
Dominican Republic (1962)
Guatemala (1963)
Bolivia (1966)
Chile (1964-70)
Portugal (1974-75)
Australia (1974-75)
Jamaica (1976)
El Salvador (1984)
Panama (1984, 89)
Nicaragua (1984, 90)
Haiti (1987, 88)
Bulgaria (1990-91)
Albania (1991-92)
Russia (1996)
Mongolia (1996)
Bosnia (1998)

US Versus World at the United Nations
The US has repeatedly acted to undermine peace and human rights initiatives
at the United Nations, routinely voting against hundreds of UN resolutions
and treaties. The US easily has the worst record of any nation on not
supporting UN treaties. In almost all of its hundreds of "no" votes, the US
was the "sole" nation to vote no (among the 100-130 nations that usually
vote), and among only 1 or 2 other nations voting no the rest of the time.
Here's a representative sample of US votes from 1978-1987:

US Is the Sole "No" Vote on Resolutions or Treaties
For aid to underdeveloped nations
For the promotion of developing nation exports
For UN promotion of human rights
For protecting developing nations in trade agreements
For New International Economic Order for underdeveloped nations
For development as a human right
Versus multinational corporate operations in South Africa
For cooperative models in developing nations
For right of nations to economic system of their choice
Versus chemical and biological weapons (at least 3 times)
Versus Namibian apartheid
For economic/standard of living rights as human rights
Versus apartheid South African aggression vs. neighboring states (2 times)
Versus foreign investments in apartheid South Africa
For world charter to protect ecology
For anti-apartheid convention
For anti-apartheid convention in international sports
For nuclear test ban treaty (at least 2 times)
For prevention of arms race in outer space
For UNESCO-sponsored new world information order (at least 2 times)
For international law to protect economic rights
For Transport & Communications Decade in Africa
Versus manufacture of new types of weapons of mass destruction
Versus naval arms race
For Independent Commission on Disarmament & Security Issues
For UN response mechanism for natural disasters
For the Right to Food
For Report of Committee on Elimination of Racial Discrimination
For UN study on military development
For Commemoration of 25th anniversary of Independence for Colonial Countries
For Industrial Development Decade in Africa
For interdependence of economic and political rights
For improved UN response to human rights abuses
For protection of rights of migrant workers
For protection against products harmful to health and the environment
For a Convention on the Rights of the Child
For training journalists in the developing world
For international cooperation on third world debt
For a UN Conference on Trade & Development

US Is 1 of Only 2 "No" Votes on Resolutions or Treaties
For Palestinian living conditions/rights (at least 8 times)
Versus foreign intervention into other nations
For a UN Conference on Women
Versus nuclear test explosions (at least 2 times)
For the non-use of nuclear weapons vs. non-nuclear states
For a Middle East nuclear free zone
Versus Israeli nuclear weapons (at least 2 times)
For a new world international economic order
For a trade union conference on sanctions vs. South Africa
For the Law of the Sea Treaty
For economic assistance to Palestinians
For UN measures against fascist activities and groups
For international cooperation on money/finance/debt/trade/development
For a Zone of Peace in the South Atlantic
For compliance with Intl Court of Justice decision for Nicaragua vs. US.
**For a conference and measures to prevent international terrorism
(including its underlying causes)
For ending the trade embargo vs. Nicaragua

US Is 1 of Only 3 "No" Votes on Resolutions and Treaties
Versus Israeli human rights abuses (at least 6 times)
Versus South African apartheid (at least 4 times)
Versus return of refugees to Israel
For ending nuclear arms race (at least 2 times)
For an embargo on apartheid South Africa
For South African liberation from apartheid (at least 3 times)
For the independence of colonial nations
For the UN Decade for Women
Versus harmful foreign economic practices in colonial territories
For a Middle East Peace Conference
For ending the embargo of Cuba (at least 10 times)

In addition, the US has:
Repeatedly withheld its dues from the UN
Twice left UNESCO because of its human rights initiatives
Twice left the International Labor Organization for its workers rights
Refused to renew the Antiballistic Missile Treaty
Refused to sign the Kyoto Treaty on global warming
Refused to back the World Health Organization's ban on infant formula abuses
Refused to sign the Anti-Biological Weapons Convention
Refused to sign the Convention against the use of land mines
Refused to participate in the UN Conference Against Racism in Durban
Been one of the last nations in the world to sign the UN Covenant on
Political &
Civil Rights (30 years after its creation)
Refused to sign the UN Covenant on Economic & Social Rights
Opposed the emerging new UN Covenant on the Rights to Peace, Development &
Environmental Protection

Sampling of Deaths >From US Military Interventions & Propping Up Corrupt
Dictators (using the most conservative estimates)
30,000 dead

100,000 dead

4 million dead

200,000 dead

20,000 dead

El Salvador
63,000 dead

40,000 dead

10,000 dead

10,000 dead

10,000 dead

10,000 dead

1.3 million dead

30,000 dead

8-10,000 dead

50,000 dead

5,000 dead

140,000 dead

10,000 dead

5000 dead

150,000 dead

100,000 dead

Dominican Republic
10,000 dead

500 dead

1000 dead

South Africa
10,000 dead

10,000 dead

40,000 dead

1 million dead

East Timor
1/3-1/2 of total population

10,000 dead

600,000 dead

1 million dead

300,000 dead

500 dead

2 million dead

10,000 dead

1.5 million dead

50,000 dead

Other Lethal US Interventions
CIA Terror Training Manuals
Development and distribution of training manuals for foreign military
personnel or foreign nationals, including instructions on assassination,
subversion, sabotage, population control, torture, repression,
psychological torture, death squads, etc.

Specific Torture Campaigns
Creation and launching of direct US campaigns to support torture as an
instrument of terror and social control for governments in Greece, Iran,
Vietnam, Bolivia, Uruguay, Brazil, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, and Panama

Supporting and Harboring Terrorists
The promotion, protection, arming or equiping of terrorists such as:

. Klaus Barbie and other German Nazis, and Italian and Japanese fascists,
after WW II

. Manual Noriega (Panama), Saddam Hussein (Iraq), Rafael Trujillo
(Dominican Republic), Osama bin Laden (Afghanistan), and others whose
terrorism has come back to haunt us

. Running the Higher War College (Brazil) and first School of the Americas
(Panama), which gave US training to repressors, death squad members, and
torturers (the second School of the Americas is still running at Ft.
Benning GA)

. Providing asylum for Cuban, Salvadoran, Guatemalan, Haitian, Chilean,
Argentinian, Iranian, South Vietnamese and other terrorists, dictators, and

Assassinating World Leaders
Using assassination as a tool of foreign policy, wherein the CIA has
initiated assassination attempts against at least 40 foreign heads of state
(some several times) in the last 50 years, a number of which have been
successful, such as: Patrice Lumumba (Congo), Rafael Trujillo (Dominican
Republic), Ngo Dihn Diem (Vietnam) Salvador Allende (Chile)

Arms Trade & US Military Presence
. The US is the world's largest seller of weapons abroad, arming
dictators, militaries, and terrorists that repress or victimize their
populations, and fueling scores of violent conflicts around the globe

. The US is the world's largest provider of live land mines which, even in
peacetime, kill or injure at least several people around the world each day

. The US has military bases in at least 50 nations around the world, which
have led to frequent victimization of local populations.

. The US military has been bombing one Middle Eastern or Muslim nation or
another almost continuously since 1983, including Lebanon, Libya, Syria,
Iran, the Sudan, Afghanistan, and Iraq (almost daily bombings since 1991)

This, then, is a sampling of American foreign policies over the last 50
years. The FBI uses the following definition for Terrorism: "The unlawful
use of force or violence committed by a group or individual, who has some
connection to a foreign power or whose activities transcend national
boundaries, against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a
government, the civilian population or any segment thereof, in furtherance
of political or social objectives." or in other words US foreign policy.


Outstanding Contributor Always Remembered RI
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^Makes the ISIS look like a kindergarden team.

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^Makes the ISIS look like a kindergarden team.
Operation Desert Storm was what? one months work to clear the area, I guess obama is too busy playing golf...or something. It would appear many if not most are ex coalition on take a wild guess who IS work for.

Outstanding Contributor Always Remembered RI
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Operation Desert Storm was what? one months work to clear the area, I guess obama is too busy playing golf...or something. It would appear many if not most are ex coalition on take a wild guess who IS work for.
You are starting to sound like Dis, but hey you may actually be correct on this one.

Outstanding Contributor Always Remembered RI
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Outstanding Contributor Always Remembered RI
52,804 Posts
I tell you Eric when Victoria Nuland said ......quote 'Fuck the EU' unquote the game changed utterly and completely.
Never heard of her but hell she has a valid point whoever she is.

Outstanding Contributor Always Remembered RI
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Next time I'll post.... before you guys hit the medication.
That would be about 4.30 am local time in Shane's case. Me well the doc decides when the next drip feed is going in. The wife said only one bottle doc? give him two or three, the doc grinned and then I knew I was in trouble.
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