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I did call the thread: Putin wipes the floor with Obama.
But decided that was over doing it.
I didn't want to make the Putin haters, and Obama lovers, too angry.
Anyway on with the story:
The fools in Washington will never learn.
Listening to neo-cons on foreign strategy is a colossal mistake.
They told Bush:.
Let's invade Iraq, it will be over in no tiime, the troops will be home for Christmas, and the Iraqi's will welcome us as liberators, oil revenues will pay for the invasion, and American construction companies will earn billions rebuilding the infrastructure, destroyed by US bombs and missile's.

Everything predicted by the neo-con think tanks, and those Bush placed in the defense dept, and his administration, was wrong.
It's cost close to two trillion dollars already.

Now it's Obama's turn to get fooled.
By falling for the neo-con plan, of fomenting a coup in Ukraine, and putting sanctions on Russia, which according to his advisers will have the Russian people turning on Putin, and evicting him from the Kremlin, as the ruble collapses, followed by the Russian economy, allowing NATO to take over the naval base in Crimea...
Instead the EU and US are stuck with Ukraine, a complete failure and financial nightmare.
Washington believed their own lies in the corporate media.
The facts are only the right wing fascist minority of Ukrainians hated Russia. What they all hated was the corruption, carried out by Ukrainian politicians.
Now tens of thousands have lost their jobs because the Russian defense industries have been closed down, and most Russian owned companies have been run out of Ukraine.
Which fortunately for Russia, it no longer has to finance.

The deal Kerry made with the Saudi's to collapse the price of oil, to bring down Russia and Iran, setting the ruble into free-fall, ended up shooting America in the foot.
The shale oil industry is collapsing, they borrowed heavily from Wall St, and can't pay back the 500 billion in loans, this in turn is having a destabilizing effect in the high risk junk bonds market, and can even threaten the dollar.
Again Russia out maneuvered Washington.
The sanctions have hit Europe harder than the effect they've had on Russia.
Russia is saving money by not buying the once imported goods, while the Russian sanctions have caused bankruptcies in the EU, and put thousands more out of work during a recession.
The EU had to be pressured into applying sanctions, now they've backfired. Washington will no longer be obeyed without question, and bigger bribes or threats will have to be used, if Washington again tries to use the EU to carry out its dirty work.

Washington needs to stop bullying the rest of the world, and start negotiating, with other countries.
Everyone would benefit.

A good article, explaining the changes in fortunes.
Washington Blows Itself Up With Its Own Bomb | New Eastern Outlook
 

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Putin will prevail and will inevitably be on hand to bail out the Ukraine, as it is Russia has rolled over the gas debt and has provided train loads of coal for quick relief. Only Putin will rescue the Ukrainians from themselves, there will be a price of course. For certain the EU and the US will leave the Ukraine dangling. It has already begun and the chocolate king knows it.
 

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Putin will prevail and will inevitably be on hand to bail out the Ukraine, as it is Russia has rolled over the gas debt and has provided train loads of coal for quick relief. Only Putin will rescue the Ukrainians from themselves, there will be a price of course. For certain the EU and the US will leave the Ukraine dangling. It has already begun and the chocolate king knows it.
This is what distinguishes Putin as a great statesman.
From the mediocre puppets we have to put up with in the west.
Who have deserted the Ukrainian people, now they're no more use and the country has been stripped of its public assets.
 

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'Wow' indeed - but you wouldn't be one of those who tirelessly believes a government that continually lies to you - gets exposed and keeps pushing documented lies and keeps getting exposed ad infinitum ie; A serial liar over decades !

You wouldn't be so naive to still believe that serial liar would you ? :)




In addition, it would be instructive if you would point out anything in the OP that is untrue :eek:
 

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it would be instructive if you would point out anything in the OP that is untrue :eek:

Why, it's all gibberish...


The deal Kerry made with the Saudi's to collapse the price of oil, to bring down Russia and Iran, setting the ruble into free-fall, ended up shooting America in the foot.

What deal?


The shale oil industry is collapsing, they borrowed heavily from Wall St, and can't pay back the 500 billion in loans, this in turn is having a destabilizing effect in the high risk junk bonds market, and can even threaten the dollar.

Junk bonds, the dollar... what?


The sanctions have hit Europe harder than the effect they've had on Russia.
Russia is saving money by not buying the once imported goods, while the Russian sanctions have caused bankruptcies in the EU, and put thousands more out of work during a recession.

What?

Does your friend -or you- have an iota of proof to back up any of this nonsense?
 

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Still rather be in the US rather than russia or the ukraine
Having said that that whole diatribe is bs

russia is one of the most corrupt countries on earth
Its economy is in shambles and free fall
It can't support itself let alone ukraine
This will drag them down more
Good
 

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Putin will prevail and will inevitably be on hand to bail out the Ukraine, as it is Russia has rolled over the gas debt and has provided train loads of coal for quick relief. Only Putin will rescue the Ukrainians from themselves, there will be a price of course. For certain the EU and the US will leave the Ukraine dangling. It has already begun and the chocolate king knows it.
Putin will help the Ukrainians when they're freezing in winter, by doing something useful, like sending the Ukrainian people food convoys to keep them from starving, and coal to burn to keep them warm and alive.
Even though the Ukrainian oligarchs now running the country with their fascist militias, try to stop the food convoys crossing the border from Russia.
While Putin is being magnanimous, the Washington neo-cons are sending the Ukrainian fascist militias weapons, and troops to train them.
That won't feed many hungry people, or keep them warm when the arctic winds take the temperature down to -40°c.
This is what scares you.
Russia will do a better job than America.
Take your military home, it's time they stopped destroying the world, for the benefit of a few rich and powerful corporations and banks.
 

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Kerry has been to Russia to beg Putin for forgiveness and to promise he'll never do it again.
Putin knows he's lying, but like the godfather, he'll forgive his wayward son.

Obama has even sent Victoria Nuland, grand vizir of Ukraine to Moscow, to try and salvage something from the mess she's made of Ukraine.
 

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Why, it's all gibberish...





What deal?





Junk bonds, the dollar... what?





What?

Does your friend -or you- have an iota of proof to back up any of this nonsense?
Gibberish is right. All the usual cut-and-paste flowery innuendo and no substance from the resident Trotskyites. Quote something other than drivel from rag sites like NEO and people might take u numbskulls a bit more seriously.
 

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Donny, Donny, Donny, how sad and pathetic you are.
You're glorious leader has been trounced again.
If Obama keeps listening to neo-cons, he'll end up a bigger loser than he already is, and despised like his predecessor.
Ukraine is a basket-case, and the EU and USA have dropped it like the nasty surprise it turned out to be.
Russia knows how to handle fascists and neo-nazis, when the time comes the Ukrainian people will be begging Putin for help.

The red army will squash the militias, and the neo-nazis.
They'll end up in Siberia, in gulags, well above the arctic circle, wailing for their mummy's.
No they won't, comrade Putin is a big softy, he'll end up putting them in a re-education facility, to learn the errors of their ways.
For however long it takes.
 

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I gather you've spent some time in one Putin's re-education facilities. Propaganda can mess a guy right the hell up
 

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Still rather be in the US rather than russia or the ukraine
Having said that that whole diatribe is bs

russia is one of the most corrupt countries on earth
Its economy is in shambles and free fall
It can't support itself let alone ukraine
This will drag them down more
Good
Care to carry on here, now you got the other thread locked? Sorry Z, it was too tempting.
 
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