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1985 300TDT
This is located on the firewall behind the brake booster. It has a clamp on it and I'm not sure if a vacuum hose has come off. I cant find a loose hose but wanted to ask here. Anyone know what it is?
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John
 

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That's the switchover valve for the turbo over boost protection.

Mine has been bypassed for decades, no problems.

There should be a pressure line from the manifold to the ALDA. Usually, the line goes to that valve then the ALDA.
 

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That's the switchover valve for the turbo over boost protection.

Mine has been bypassed for decades, no problems.

There should be a pressure line from the manifold to the ALDA. Usually, the line goes to that valve then the ALDA.
Thanks Rmac....is there any particular reason why they are bypassed?
 

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There is no Manifold Vacuum on this Diesel.

On the older Diesels that used an Pneumatic Governor on the Fuel Injection Pump there is Manifold Vacuum because there is a Butterfly Valve in the Intake Manifold.
 

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Thanks Rmac....is there any particular reason why they are bypassed?
In a nutshell: if your engine and transmission are bone stock, it's unlikely it will produce so much overboost that the overboost protection valve will ever be needed. And bypassing it gives you a simpler system, fewer joints, therefore fewer potential places for boost to leak out between the intake manifold and the ALDA.

And if you have modified your engine to be a racer, then keeping the overboost protection valve will defeat your purpose.

The average 27-35 year old stock turbo puts out only about 0.61 to 0.68 bar of boost.

The overboost protection valve takes the output of the boost sensor switch, located on the rear of the intake manifold. This switch closes when boost reaches 1.2 bar, thus making the overboost protection valve close, thus denying boost to the ALDA, which results in the ALDA shutting down fuel.

It's a complicated system with a lot of pressure hoses and joints. Sometimes the car loses get-up-and-go. The prime suspect is always the ALDA, and the easiest way to test the ALDA is to connect the boost outlet nipple at the rear of the intake manifold, directly to the ALDA input nipple, with a boost gauge tee'd in

Sometimes a shadetree mechanic will perform this test and then simply unhook the boost gauge and leave the manifold's boost nipple directly connected to the ALDA, bypassing the overboost protection valve. It leaves a system with fewer joints, thus fewer potential places for boost to leak out. The overboost protection valve in some cases may have failed and be leaking boost, so bypassing it is a convenient workaround.

The only way you are ever going to see 1.2 bar of boost, enough to make the overboost protection valve necessary, is if you either set your turbo's wastegate to allow a higher level of boost than the IP can deliver fuel to use, or if you can somehow induce the turbo into a severe surge condition (i.e. pushing boost into the intake manifold without the cylinders being able to intake it, to the point where flow is reversed, back out through the compressor blades).

About the only way I can think of to put the relatively wimpy stock turbo into surge would be to use a manual transmission to produce sudden large rpm drops between gears while at the same time having the wastegate wired shut. Just maybe. Perhaps this is the reason why MB sold all its USA 300D turbo diesels with an automatic transmission. You just might be able to induce surge in a bone stock 300D if your wastegate were set to produce 1 bar of boost and you accelerated in L to say 3000 rpm then lift your foot and drop it into D. Maybe. If you do this with the overboost protection valve hooked up, it will cause the ALDA to reduce fueling during the suddenly-lowered rpm region of operation, until exhaust gas volume rises again to the point where torque the turbo wheel produces catches up to the compressor wheel's tendency to resist it due to the high bar of what's in the intake manifold. So in this case the overboost protection valve will reduce stress on the turbo shaft.

There is no need for an overboost protection valve if the device it controls, the ALDA, has been removed. One reason to remove the ALDA is to improve off-the-line acceleration at the expense of emitting a cloud of dark smoke.

Also there is no need for the overboost protection valve if one increases the fueling by building larger elements into the IP and increases the boost by swapping-in a larger turbocharger than stock plus an intercooler. In other words, *intentionally* running the engine at >1.2 bar, i.e. more bar of boost than the overboost protection valve guards against.

Experimenters over at superturbodiesel have found that 0.75 to 0.82 bar of boost is all the engine can use, even if fueling is turned up to max, with an unmodified stock injector pump. Any wastegate adjustment beyond 0.82 bar simply puts needless pressure on your head gasket.

The unmodified stock IP delivers about 55-60 cc of fuel per cylinder every thousand injections. So, if you want to raise the engine's horsepower from the stock value of 120 hp by 50% up to 180, what you do is, increase fueling by 50% to about 90 cc/thousand (by building larger elements into the IP), and swap in a higher-capacity, more efficient modern turbo which is capable of blowing-in 50% more air to match the increased fueling. At this point you will be using right around 1.2 bar of boost, and if at this point you haven't already ripped out and thrown away the ALDA then you should at least get rid of, or simply bypass, that pesky overboost protection valve.

But if you attempt to give it enough fuel to match 1.2 bar of boost, and if that 1.2 bar is put through an intercooler...then you'd better equip your engine with an exhaust temperature gauge and very closely watch it. Lest you start melting piston crowns, valves et cetera.

Now you know everything I know, and that's the best explanation I can come up with. Anybody else care to try?
 

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Thanks JustPassinThru.....great explanation. This car is new to me so I wanted to know what the switchover valves purpose was. Mine has been bypassed directly from the intake to the ALDA. The motor is stock so my guess is the valve was either leaking boost or some mechanic was troublesooting the system and decided to leave it disconnected, I'll hook the valve back inline today and see if there is a difference in performance. BTW, can this valve still be purchased? I see one at AutoHausAZ but it doesnt look the same as mine. Just a updated version or a different valve ?
0015407097 is the AutohausAZ part number I am referring to.
 

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It turns out that if your wastegate gets stuck shut, a long uphill climb can generate more than 1.2 bar of boost, at least according to this post:
PeachParts Mercedes ShopForum - View Single Post - Time bomb? overboost protection switchover valve

A quick search through Google does not find an online supplier. The FSM calls it the "changeover valve overload protection". You'll have to be careful, not to get it confused for the "vacuum power overload protection relay" in the HVAC system under the dashboard.

Maybe someone who has EPC will chime in here and tell you the MB part number.

Maybe this is it (the picture is generic):
1985 Mercedes Benz 300D Electronic Air Intake Change Over Valve - Pierburg - TheAutoPartsShop
 

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It turns out that if your wastegate gets stuck shut, a long uphill climb can generate more than 1.2 bar of boost, at least according to this post:
PeachParts Mercedes ShopForum - View Single Post - Time bomb? overboost protection switchover valve

A quick search through Google does not find an online supplier. The FSM calls it the "changeover valve overload protection". You'll have to be careful, not to get it confused for the "vacuum power overload protection relay" in the HVAC system under the dashboard.

Maybe someone who has EPC will chime in here and tell you the MB part number.

Maybe this is it (the picture is generic):
1985 Mercedes Benz 300D Electronic Air Intake Change Over Valve - Pierburg - TheAutoPartsShop
That looks like the correct part {pierburg}. It is identical to the one in my car. I took it off the firewall today and found the port going to the ALDA{side port} plugged as well as cracked under the short rubber hose. My guess is it was bypassed by someone in order to not purchase another one. AutoHausAZ has the same Pierburg unit and I ordered one today as well as the 2 small rubber hoses that connect the hard lines to the unit. The hoses have both a 5mm and a 3mm end for the different connections.
It seems to be OK to run the car without this valve but I figured I'd just go ahead and replace it for peace of mind. My car has 312K on the odometer and the valve isn't so expensive as to chance a meltdown by overboost.
Thanks Rmac and JPT for the help. :thumbsup:
John
 
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