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This isn’t exactly new news, but I think some Americans need to hear this because we like to thing we are strong, even if not smart. Phrasing it as “slow and weak” might get more attention. “Smart” and “intellectual” seem to have somehow gotten negative connotations in this country.





Sadly, despite getting over the initial peak, we got stupid and let it get out of control again. Mapping the Covid-19 Outbreak Globally




And then there’s this. We knew this was coming, but maybe this chart will put it in perspective.




And somehow our stock market remains near all time highs.



So dumb asses still won’t wear a mask. Everyone i saw walking into the Carquest car and boat parts store I went into a few days ago wore masks. But the nice guy that helped me with an r134a can adapter had no mask on. Why can’t people wear masks? Do we still really believe that they don’t help? Why do I have to wear pants and not a mask?


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Unpopular opinion: We need to stop kidding ourselves that our disinfection theater is going to do anything. The virus concentrations used in the early transmission studies were order of magnitudes off from what is contained in a cough.

It's just like the TSA, you think it should be doing something, but really it just takes a lot of time and makes you cranky.

Money and effort are better spent on masks and proper HVAC filtration.

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I would say Long Island has figured it out. All the businesses here seem to be 100% compliant. They did learn it the hard way. North Carolina is catching on. Chart #1 is hard to understand. Chart #2 is useless with out a second chart showing number of test performed. The real data would be %positives from random samples of people, haven't seen that yet. Skiing in Austria looks fun.
 

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I would say Long Island has figured it out. All the businesses here seem to be 100% compliant. They did learn it the hard way. North Carolina is catching on. Chart #1 is hard to understand. Chart #2 is useless with out a second chart showing number of test performed. The real data would be %positives from random samples of people, haven't seen that yet. Skiing in Austria looks fun.
The rise in new cases confirmed in the US is certainly rising at a higher rate than the deaths, suggesting lower mortality rates now that we know better how to treat it AND there is more testing going on. But the death rate is hard to dispute and appears to be rising again. People do try to dispute that Covid had nothing to do with many of the deaths, but I have a hard time believing that is a significant percentage of what is recorded as a Covid (related) death.




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Cant really argue with death rates but gunshot's suicides and auto accidents should be removed form the CV death data. My wife works in the hospital as a nurse. She tells me if they get a guy that fell off a cliff and dies, it counts as a CV death if the guy was positive. They get more money from our tax dollars if its a CV death.
 

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Cant really argue with death rates but gunshot's suicides and auto accidents should be removed form the CV death data. My wife works in the hospital as a nurse. She tells me if they get a guy that fell off a cliff and dies, it counts as a CV death if the guy was positive. They get more money from our tax dollars if its a CV death.
That’s despicable. :(

So he numbers sound like they are probably be more like:
  • people with Covid that died, plus
  • suspected Covid deaths that we decided not to test, but think it was probably covid
I wonder if they count, people that might have had Covid that died from things that were clearly not Covid, like the guy that thought he had Covid and jumped off a cliff.

Was George Floyd counted as a Covid related death? I believe they discovered he did have Covid but was apparently murdered. I guess from what’s said above, he is one of the 150,000 US deaths.


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Nice statistics. May have to consider moving back to Taiwan if this thing keeps on.
 

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Herman Cain was one of those who suggested folks not wear a mask - today he is dead:

June 20 - Attends Trump Rally in Tulsa without wearing a mask
June 29 - diagnosed with Corvid-19
July 1 - admitted to Hospital
July 30 - dead from Corvid-19
 

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There’s also a growing body of evidence regarding the long term detrimental health effects for COVID survivors. Blood clots, heart damage, and a host of other stuff.

Stay safe, everyone.




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Here in Australia we've had only about 200 deaths but the economic consequences of the shutdowns are enormous.:(
I think Covid maybe here to stay and all of us (well, many of us) old pfarts will just have to be VERY careful.
 

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This is not a fun time at all. I had to come home from uni when we had less than 10k cases, now they want to reopen them for in person classes in states like Arizona when over 2% of the population has COVID-19. I don't know how they expect my 80 year Econ professor to be okay with teaching a class of 250 potential COVID vectors. They are planning all kinds of restrictions and sanitation methods, but we all know how good college students are at obey rules not to party and congregate. This is going to be awful.
 

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Herman Cain was one of those who suggested folks not wear a mask - today he is dead:

June 20 - Attends Trump Rally in Tulsa without wearing a mask
June 29 - diagnosed with Corvid-19
July 1 - admitted to Hospital
July 30 - dead from Corvid-19
And therefore that is the reason he is dead?? WTF. It is ignorant to make any such inference.
 

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Florida is in a really bad position. We have no industry to speak of other than tourism. The whole state is organized around accommodating visitors. We must have visitors or we all go broke. So it is in my county, the Keys. They're coming from the mainland and bringing it with them -- total of 100 cases June 1; 1200 cases today.

It will take years to sort out the impact, to separate out the COVID deaths, statistically. At that time we can compare USA to world numbers meaningfully. Meantime, stay safe! Being retired, that's easy for me.
 

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And therefore that is the reason he is dead?? WTF. It is ignorant to make any such inference.
Well what he is trying to say is it's all about your own health, and the risk factor of contracting Covid.
#1 way to keep the contamination/spread down among humans is PPE, or personal protection equipment. The mask is probably #1 in keeping the spread down. It's all simple science from high school.
He was older, like some of us, and if he was diabetic, even type 2, he had a 10% chance of dying if he had Covid. That is the reason I have a mask on all the time, I'm type 1.
 

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This article suggests that Covid deaths may be undercounted rather than overcounted

The official messaging about masking has been confused and confusing, but it seems certain that wearing a mask does more good than harm. It's selfish to refuse to mask for personal freedom.
 

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And therefore that is the reason he is dead?? WTF. It is ignorant to make any such inference.
My mama always told me "hard heads make soft tails".

Southern saying: "Refers to the fact that a person that does not listen to reason is going to have a tough life. Often a person that insists on making their own mistakes rather than listen to sage advice will hear this phrase. In other words a young inexperienced person that keeps making stupid mistakes will take a lot of beatings."

Cain wouldn't follow the advice of the medical experts and paid a heavy price.
 

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My mama always told me "hard heads make soft tails".
Don’t get intellectual on us. Don’t call anyone stupid, because Americans don’t take offense or action in response to that term. Americans don’t like intellectuals. Americans like strength. That why I think it gets attention by calling Americans “slow and weak”. It caught my attention.

I would like to invest in this mask.
 

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Herman Cain died because he believed in some influential voices that offered opinions that were opposed to the medical experts and scientific data.
Those "voices" were within one parties leadership and a certain media outlet.
 
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