[fata1ity]

I've always used Mobil 1 for my oil changes, but I called up Fletcher Jones today to get an oil change appointment (no time for DIY) and they told me that they use Valvoline Syn-Power Synthetic oil. Since when did they change the oil? Doesn't MB recommend Mobil 1?

 

[fabbrisd1]

According to Valvoline it's MB approved, and many MB dealers have been switching to Syn-Power over the past year.

Dealer used Valvoline Synpower 5W40 engine oil... - MBWorld.org Forums

Now, if you are asking if Syn-Power is specifically approved for W210, no oil company is going to pay the car manufacturer for testing/approval on past series.

So, technically Mobil 1 0-40W is the only oil "technically" approved for W210 - but dealers will use their current MB approved oil.

If you want to sitck with Mobil 1 o-40W, go buy 9 quarts and a Mann/Mahle fleece filter and have a general shop do the oil change.

Keep the faith !

 

[Kajtek1]

More like "MB promotes Mobil1" while the MB oil specifications have tens of different oils applicable.
I did few oil testings and Mobil1 generate higher iron percentage than other oils, what raised leg flag at lab. Mobil1 is avoiding answering the concersn, what already made me abounding M1 for my Ford diesel, and for coming oil changes on our Mercedes diesels, I am considering Rotella as well.

 

[brau0318]

I use Mobile 1 229.5 everytime because it works. Theres actually a 5w-30 that they make just for dealers that is the same oil as we find on the shelf under 0w-40. Theres a long thread on this on mbworld w210 section

 

[Check Codes]

People have long used non-spec oils in their engines and will continue to do so. Me, I stick with MB spec because it assures me that they (and not an oil company) have tested an oil to meet their specs. That doesn't mean there are not suitable alternatives out there, only that they haven't been certified. But that leaves you at the hands of the marketers to tell you what's good and what isn't.

Personally, I'd simply hate to use a non-spec oil and have an engine failure, because then I would always wonder whether the two were related.

brau, can I trouble you to post a picture of the back label of that 5W30 you referenced? If it's actually bearing the 229.5 spec that would be nice to know. All of the Mobil1 5W30 I've found does not.

 

[Kajtek1]

Personally, I'd simply hate to use a non-spec oil and have an engine failure, because then I would always wonder whether the two were related.

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That is the reason why I decided to run oil test in last years. All 3 diesels we have in the family are expected to run for at least 1/2 million miles and the corrupted MBUSA recommendations don't guarantee that.
I am one test away to get double confirmation that Rotella is way better for diesels than M1 and way cheaper.

 

[rabbit188]

That is the reason why I decided to run oil test in last years. All 3 diesels we have in the family are expected to run for at least 1/2 million miles and the corrupted MBUSA recommendations don't guarantee that.
I am one test away to get double confirmation that Rotella is way better for diesels than M1 and way cheaper.

That's all good, but I don't believe the OP was talking about diesels. For the petrol engines, I use the proper Mobil 1. 160k miles.... still going strong.

 

[Kajtek1]

than how do you know it is the best when you never did an oil test?
Per my experience the engine will very likely make 160k miles on cooking oil.
oh, I know ... the salesman toldya so.. :big laugh:

 

[rabbit188]

than how do you know it is the best when you never did an oil test?
Per my experience the engine will very likely make 160k miles on cooking oil.
oh, I know ... the salesman toldya so.. :big laugh:

No, MB tested it. The numbers are printed on the back of the bottle. I seem to trust the engineers that specified this oil for my engine. I don't want to mess with success. Period!

 

[Plutoe]

The guy has never owned a W210 diesel--cooking oil, I think he's talking about lubrication for his tricycle, what buffoonery!!

 

[Kajtek1]

you should read your manual.
the engineers never suggested mobil1 in our engines. You just bought what salesman told you without even trying to check it.

 

[Plutoe]

Yep a Russian diesel, that a bicycle!!

 

[brau0318]

brau, can I trouble you to post a picture of the back label of that 5W30 you referenced? If it's actually bearing the 229.5 spec that would be nice to know. All of the Mobil1 5W30 I've found does not.

I'm sorry that was incorrect information. I was trying to reference the actually conversation that took place for me to get this knowledge by memory. I looked up the thread for correct information it's 5w-40. If you read my story about it you'll understand how my memory failed me hahaha. I like this thread turned out to be an awsome read....
So what's the real deal here... - MBWorld.org Forums


Richard/e320 on mbworld was the op of the following paragraph

Okay, I contacted ExxonMobil 1 and got an actual answer to just what is going on: while there is a Mobil 1 5w-40 Formula M specifically for gas engines, it is NOT available in retail form, other than Mercedes-Benz dealers. That makes sense since I have not been able to find anything on Google, the Mobil 1 website, nor have I seen it in stores.

From ExxonMobil:

"The Mobil1 Formula M 5W40 is a product Mobil makes for MB to meet 229.5
and only available from the dealer. Mobil1 0W40 is the retail product
that meets MB 229.5, either product can be used."

Note that ExxonMobil does not say that Mobil 1 5w-40 ESP Formula M (spec 229.51 / for diesel engines) is approved or can be used as spec 229.5, even though my dealer has stated otherwise.
__________________

 

[Check Codes]

The guy has never owned a W210 diesel--cooking oil, I think he's talking about lubrication for his tricycle, what buffoonery!!

You really are the worst sort of troll and it's a shame, too, because you sometimes have useful information and have helped some people.

Why the moderators continue to allow your rude attacks and name calling in violation if the TOU escapes me. I for one would welcome and support you having a little timeout so you get the message.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

 

[fata1ity]

This is in regards to a gasoline engine.

 

[mi benz]

According to Valvoline it's MB approved, and many MB dealers have been switching to Syn-Power over the past year.

Dealer used Valvoline Synpower 5W40 engine oil... - MBWorld.org Forums

Now, if you are asking if Syn-Power is specifically approved for W210, no oil company is going to pay the car manufacturer for testing/approval on past series.

So, technically Mobil 1 0-40W is the only oil "technically" approved for W210 - but dealers will use their current MB approved oil....

I don't understand you. The engine used determines the MB oil requirement and MB approves several other oils for this application. Valvoline Synpower is one of them:
Approvals/Performance Level Synpower MST Synpower MST Synpower HST Synpower
API SN/SM 5W-30 5W-40 5W-40 20W-50
API CF ** 5W-30 5W-40 5W-40 20W-50
ACEA A3/B3/B4 5W-30 5W-40 5W-40 20W-50
ACEA C3 5W-30 5W-40 - - - - - 20W-50
MB 229.3, 229.5 5W-30 5W-40 5W-40* 20W-50
MB 229.31, 229.51 5W-30* 5W-40* - - - - - 20W-50
VW 505.01 5W-30* 5W-40* - - - - - 20W-50
VW 502.00, & 505.00 5W-30* 5W-40* 5W-40* 20W-50
Porsche 5W-40* 5W-40*
BMW Long Life 04 5W-30* 5W-40* - - - - - 20W-50
BMW Long Life 01 5W-30 - - - - - 5W-40*
5W-30*
- - - - -
* Denotes formal OEM approval
** Obsolete

 

[tirona]

the most reliable place to look for mb approved lubricants is Mercedes-Benz Specifications for Operating Fluids: Engine Oil, Gear Oil, ATF, Coolant, Brakefluid .
the only valvoline product that is approved by mb to meet 229.5 spec is the valvoline hst 5w40, and i have never seen that oil being sold in the usa, only in europe. maybe mb dealers are getting it directly from valvoline.
valvoline mst 5w30 and mst 5w40 are approved by mb to meet 229.51 (not 229.5). while 229.51 oils are great oils, they shouldn't be used for the whole mb oil change schedule in gassers since they are low saps (sulfphated ash, phosphorus, and sulfur) for the newer diesel particulate filters, thus have lower additives. mobil1 0w40 starts with a tbn of 12.5, while low saps oils have tbn in the range of 5-6.

 

[gurunutkins]

following this with great interest as i am up for my first oil change in the e320 (new to me but now has 160K miles on it). I always send a sample off to blackstone for testing and have been running mobil 1 0w40. I am going to replace with mobil 1 0w40 to get a baseline over 2 changes.
Phoned valvoline however (1-800-832-6825) and talked to the tech guy and whilst the 5w40 is only available in the mst formulation the tech told me most of the valvoline fast change places will change the oil with the bulk 5w40 which is the hst formulation - just call to check first if they use the bulk barrels or the quart bottles.
He did also confirm the hst is available in europe in litre bottles but is not and probably will not be available in the US in quart bottles. when I asked why he said the US is more used to oil changes in 3000 to 7500 mile increments and were unaccepting of 13 to 19K mile oil changes so having a better quality of oil in quarts was a waste! :crybaby2:
I will post the blackstone results when I get them
cheers
Barri

 

[Kajtek1]

I will post the blackstone results when I get them
cheers
Barri

Please do, I wonder if you will have high iron on gasser like I did on diesel.

 

[99E430]

You really are the worst sort of troll and it's a shame, too, because you sometimes have useful information and have helped some people.

Why the moderators continue to allow your rude attacks and name calling in violation if the TOU escapes me. I for one would welcome and support you having a little timeout so you get the message.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

+1

This has been needed to be said for SO LONG!

(btw, love the location checkcodes )