When I was a kid, my favorite spots were the edge of of the Karussell, where you could see the cars come up from Kesselchen and then left through the steep bank of the Karussell, or from Bruennchen to the other steep concrete oval of the Schwalbenschanz. I had forgotten that a comlete lap through Nordschleife (Schleife=loop), Suedschleife and Start and Finish straight, equated 28.265 km = apx. 17.66 miles, with over 170 curves. What a racetrack. Mario Andretti once remarked at the Ring: 'if everything feels under control, you are not driving fast enough'. Cheerio, Teutone (aka Horst K)