You're right about that. If I have to put more that 80-90 gm on a single wheel/tire, I consider that to be excessive.
You're right about that. If I have to put more that 80-90 gm on a single wheel/tire, I consider that to be excessive.diehardg - 2/19/2005 8:24 AM
Total of balance weight I had to put on all five tires is more than 1Kg. Oh, man.... That's a lot of weights[:0][:0]
Yasu
On my old 285/75-16 tires, maximum balance weight I put on one tire is about 100g. I've been changing tires and balancing tires since 4th grade because my family runs tire shop. In my whole life, this is the worst balanced tire I've seen... But don't get this wrong. My rim is 7 inch wide. I am not supposed to mount those 315 tire on this rim. I think beat is seated. But when the tire was turned on the balancer, I could see the tire was not prefect round. So, maybe due to the narrow rim, beat is not seated prefectly. Who knows... I will try to rebalance again next month.DUTCH - 2/20/2005 10:40 PM
You're right about that. If I have to put more that 80-90 gm on a single wheel/tire, I consider that to be excessive.
Brent,BrentG500 - 5/3/2005 3:17 AM
With your 3cm lift and those 35" tires, how much rubbing do you experience on flat paved roads (like on the highway, for example)?
You're the only person I know who runs 35" tires on his G500. [] [
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I couldn't find a way to lift three inches. If you lift this much, front prop shaft will hit cross member. Also, Three inch lift is nothing but decoration without longer shocks. There aren't any shocks available for three inch lift. I think brake line and ABS lines are too short for the set up. You can easily make longer brake lines but I don't know about ABS lines.And since you upgraged to size 35, why did you choose to not upgrade your springs to give you at least 3" of suspension lift (besides not wanting the wife to climb up higher)?
Yasu, it's good to hear from you! [diehardg - 5/2/2005 3:08 PM
I couldn't find a way to lift three inches. If you lift this much, front prop shaft will hit cross member. Also, Three inch lift is nothing but decoration without longer shocks. There aren't any shocks available for three inch lift. I think brake line and ABS lines are too short for the set up. You can easily make longer brake lines but I don't know about ABS lines.
Caused of the very different weight's of all the engine and equipment types of the G-wagen, it seemed to be necessary to design two different sets of the suspension springs. Additionaly there is a set of trimpackers for the front axle which gives 18mm extra lift. (also for o/e springs)Longered springs sometimes perform a "bulky" design during their life. This is not a negative influence to your comfort or safety!
On some models there is a metal bottom on the down end of the front limiting rubber. We recommend to remove them to avoid inconvenient noises. On vehicles with less space between oilpan and axle tube or housing it's recommended to support them with washers or similar material. If you look at the rear spring, you will see that a few turns have contact. This is standard and allows more axle travel. O/E springs from Mercedes got some rubber isolation on their ends to avoid noise. We quit that intentionally, because in this area the O/E springs crack very often.
Sometimes some noise with our springs will be heard on off-road tracks or back country roads. This noise is without hesitation!
An important thing about the shafts: Before installation you should check them for damage!Otherwise vibrations from driveline will appear and can cause damage and expensive repair. For short 463 series never install heavy springs in the rear without heavy load or special rear drive shaft! The 460 can be driven with average load of eg. rear seat, spare wheel, toolbox, trailer hitch or other things. In every installation you should shorten your time between two grease jobs!
During our intense road testing the shocks showed an sufficient stroke. You can handle our springs with your O/E shocks. Mercedes offers also a "heavy duty" package with SACHS-shocks. These and the BILSTEIN Off-Road-Set (the best from our point of view) will improve your onroad comfort and off-road performance.
Off-road testing showed that a high springrate is an advantage cause wheels do not dig in quite easy (especially on loose ground like sand or gravel). Maybe you had to use the diff-locks more often on an light vehicle. If you want to use longer shocks for more axle travel, please check brake lines and the hydraulic-hoses for the differential locks closely! In every case the driver should carefully check out his vehicles new possibilities. (On and Off road)
Warning!
This suspension has been modified to improve off-road performance. As a result this vehicle may handle differently than factory equipped vehicles. Extreme care must be used to prevent loss of control or rollover during sharp turn or abrupt maneuvers. Failure to drive this vehicle safely may result in serious injury or death. Do not drive your vehicle unless you are familar with its unique handling characteristics, and are confident of your ability to maintain control under all driving conditions. Consult the instructions accompanying this product and the vehicles owner's manual for additional product safety warning. Wear your seat belts all the time.
EXTREM spring sets will on special notice, come with an German "TÜV" certificate to help you with the DOT if necessary. The change of springs is similar to original equipment.
Yes, I'm seriously thinking about putting 33's or 35's. I'm also trying to consider if it will be worth it given the ESP sensitivity and all the other issues that arise from adding larger tires (longer brake lines, shocks/springs, ABS lines, etc). A part of me is saying go for it, while the practical part of me is saying think it through, talk to some people who have this setup and see how well it works.Are you planning to put 35s? Be ready to spend extra $$ for gas. Mileage is gone worse about 20%[xx(]
Strange buisness of selling people PROBLEMS!Warning!
This suspension has been modified to improve off-road performance. As a result this vehicle may handle differently than factory equipped vehicles. Extreme care must be used to prevent loss of control or rollover during sharp turn or abrupt maneuvers. Failure to drive this vehicle safely may result in serious injury or death. Do not drive your vehicle unless you are familar with its unique handling characteristics, and are confident of your ability to maintain control under all driving conditions. Consult the instructions accompanying this product and the vehicles owner's manual for additional product safety warning. Wear your seat belts all the time.
Karl! How are you doing, buddy!Karl Ingolfsson - 5/2/2005 6:48 PMStrange buisness of selling people PROBLEMS!
I would think it is better for buisness in the long run to sell SOLUTIONS. . . . ORC dont garanty "serious injury or death" but worse ride quality and reduced driving safety can be taken for granted... -but can easyly be avoided. [xx(]
I'm just happy to see that you're upholding the tradition! [Karl Ingolfsson - 5/2/2005 7:24 PM
All well here Captain,
I´m just recycling my standard feedbak to those that think they can get "all for nothing" in a colorful package from ORC or similar problem makers that do not tell the whole "lift" story.... [}]
If 100.000$ is what you have to pay for suspension rebuild I can understand people avoiding that expense and fight the steering wheel instead....4x4abc - 5/3/2005 7:49 AM
If one would need extreme suspension movement (up and down) like in rockcrawling or off-road racing the entire suspension, and possibly the frame, must be redesigned. There are knowledgeable shops doing that all the time. But expect a $100k (yes, one hundred thousand) bill.
Harald
Brent any chance you can post pics of both your G's ??Brent - 5/3/2005 11:07 AM
As long as the anit-lift mantra has been thrown out there again, I will counter[]
I have three inches of lift with longer shocks on my swb 280GE. I run 35x12.5-15 tires and they don't rub. They do not rub on the pitman arm, they do not rub on the suspension arms and they do not hit the fender under full compression even with no mods to the rubber stop. Obviously the truck requires a slight modification to driving style but it is not dangerous or hindered in normal driving. Off-road it is spectacular and the tall, soft springs give an excellent ride on rough roads.
I also have 2 inches of lift on my G320 and run stock shocks. That truck has 285/75-16 (33") tires and drives pretty much like a stocker. No rubbing, no issues with brake lines etc. I have driven it on several 1000+ mile trips at speeds over 90mph and not had any issues.
The G chassis is more resiliant to mods than some would like you to believe. I have been living with a lifted 463 G for years now and frankly do not understand the fuss that is made over the practice of lifting the truck.