You're right about that. If I have to put more that 80-90 gm on a single wheel/tire, I consider that to be excessive.
New Tires
I got new tires.
The one on the right is my old 285/75-16. New one on the left is 315/75-16.
Front tire rubs trailing arm when steered all the way. I will take this to offroad and see if tire rubs other parts.
Total of balance weight I had to put on all five tires is more than 1Kg. Oh, man.... That's a lot of weights[:0][:0]
Yasu
The one on the right is my old 285/75-16. New one on the left is 315/75-16.
Front tire rubs trailing arm when steered all the way. I will take this to offroad and see if tire rubs other parts.
Total of balance weight I had to put on all five tires is more than 1Kg. Oh, man.... That's a lot of weights[:0][:0]
Yasu
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On my old 285/75-16 tires, maximum balance weight I put on one tire is about 100g. I've been changing tires and balancing tires since 4th grade because my family runs tire shop. In my whole life, this is the worst balanced tire I've seen... But don't get this wrong. My rim is 7 inch wide. I am not supposed to mount those 315 tire on this rim. I think beat is seated. But when the tire was turned on the balancer, I could see the tire was not prefect round. So, maybe due to the narrow rim, beat is not seated prefectly. Who knows... I will try to rebalance again next month.
On the good side, I have much more clearance under my car. I can lower the air pressure without lowering the car too much, so the tire hugs the ground so nicely. I have much more traction on rocks.
I will attach a picture below. Red arrow points where the rear tire rubs.
Yasu
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With your 3cm lift and those 35" tires, how much rubbing do you experience on flat paved roads (like on the highway, for example)? And since you upgraged to size 35, why did you choose to not upgrade your springs to give you at least 3" of suspension lift (besides not wanting the wife to climb up higher)?
You're the only person I know who runs 35" tires on his G500. [
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With your 3cm lift and those 35" tires, how much rubbing do you experience on flat paved roads (like on the highway, for example)? And since you upgraged to size 35, why did you choose to not upgrade your springs to give you at least 3" of suspension lift (besides not wanting the wife to climb up higher)?
You're the only person I know who runs 35" tires on his G500. [
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RE: Yasu
No rubbing on highway. It rubs when steered all the way to either side if the car is on the flat surface. Right tire rubs exhaust pipe when steered and flexed. Left tire rubs pitmanarm when steered to right.
Tire rubs but don't worry! It won't stop you[]
If you don't like rubbing, you can always adjust the amount you can steer.
There are many issues for three inches. I think you don't have to deal with those if you are planning two inch lift.
Are you planning to put 35s? Be ready to spend extra $$ for gas. Mileage is gone worse about 20%[xx(]
Yasu
Brent,BrentG500 - 5/3/2005 3:17 AM
With your 3cm lift and those 35" tires, how much rubbing do you experience on flat paved roads (like on the highway, for example)?
You're the only person I know who runs 35" tires on his G500. [
No rubbing on highway. It rubs when steered all the way to either side if the car is on the flat surface. Right tire rubs exhaust pipe when steered and flexed. Left tire rubs pitmanarm when steered to right.
Tire rubs but don't worry! It won't stop you[
]If you don't like rubbing, you can always adjust the amount you can steer.
I couldn't find a way to lift three inches. If you lift this much, front prop shaft will hit cross member. Also, Three inch lift is nothing but decoration without longer shocks. There aren't any shocks available for three inch lift. I think brake line and ABS lines are too short for the set up. You can easily make longer brake lines but I don't know about ABS lines.
There are many issues for three inches. I think you don't have to deal with those if you are planning two inch lift.
Are you planning to put 35s? Be ready to spend extra $$ for gas. Mileage is gone worse about 20%[xx(]
Yasu
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RE: Yasu
] Actually, Extrem-Motorsport sells coils for a three inch lift along with a heavy duty shock set. And you're right, the brake lines and ABS lines need to be adjusted for this type of fit. Here's what Extrem says about their three inch lift:
I have to parallel park more often than not, so I want something that doesn't rub (or at least rub too much). []
Your springs came from ORC (part number, front/rear) did you say? Thanks for your help! []
Here's a pic of the 3" kit with 33" tires:
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Yasu, it's good to hear from you! [
] Actually, Extrem-Motorsport sells coils for a three inch lift along with a heavy duty shock set. And you're right, the brake lines and ABS lines need to be adjusted for this type of fit. Here's what Extrem says about their three inch lift:Yes, I'm seriously thinking about putting 33's or 35's. I'm also trying to consider if it will be worth it given the ESP sensitivity and all the other issues that arise from adding larger tires (longer brake lines, shocks/springs, ABS lines, etc). A part of me is saying go for it, while the practical part of me is saying think it through, talk to some people who have this setup and see how well it works.
I have to parallel park more often than not, so I want something that doesn't rub (or at least rub too much). [
]Your springs came from ORC (part number, front/rear) did you say? Thanks for your help! [
]Here's a pic of the 3" kit with 33" tires:
RE: "serious injury or death"
All well here Captain,
I´m just recycling my standard feedbak to those that think they can get "all for nothing" in a colorful package from ORC or similar problem makers that do not tell the whole "lift" story.... [}]
According to O´Toole, -"Murphy was an optimist!"
All well here Captain,
I´m just recycling my standard feedbak to those that think they can get "all for nothing" in a colorful package from ORC or similar problem makers that do not tell the whole "lift" story.... [}
]According to O´Toole, -"Murphy was an optimist!"
RE: "serious injury or death"
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Cheers!
I'm just happy to see that you're upholding the tradition! [Karl Ingolfsson - 5/2/2005 7:24 PM
All well here Captain,
I´m just recycling my standard feedbak to those that think they can get "all for nothing" in a colorful package from ORC or similar problem makers that do not tell the whole "lift" story.... [}
]Cheers!
RE: "serious injury or death"
You are right Harald, I´m not talking against products lice ORC springs. But the warning text did not mention the simple things that must be done to make tall springs safe and feasible or to be of any use of preventing rubbing. The phrase "serious injury or death" in that text should be connected to a little text of recomended modifications to counteract the negative issues of by far higher stand.
But this is not the experience here in Iceland.
Here you can get good quality suspension systems for either offroading or overland use, for a fraction of that ammount.
G is an overland vehicle more than an offroader and the stock suspension is good for that use. Rebuilding a G to become an "offroader" means throwing out the radius arms, rebuild suspension completely and putting the beast on "serious diet" [}]. But this discussion was not about that, It started as the old discussion of how to mount bigger tires on otherwise unaltered stationwagon. Adjusting suspension links, up and down travel, brake lines, shocks and pitman arm etc. is well worth the discussion and not all that complex or expensive (apart from the dropped pitman arm that I dont know is availible or not)
You are right Harald, I´m not talking against products lice ORC springs. But the warning text did not mention the simple things that must be done to make tall springs safe and feasible or to be of any use of preventing rubbing. The phrase "serious injury or death" in that text should be connected to a little text of recomended modifications to counteract the negative issues of by far higher stand.
If 100.000$ is what you have to pay for suspension rebuild I can understand people avoiding that expense and fight the steering wheel instead....
But this is not the experience here in Iceland.
Here you can get good quality suspension systems for either offroading or overland use, for a fraction of that ammount.
G is an overland vehicle more than an offroader and the stock suspension is good for that use. Rebuilding a G to become an "offroader" means throwing out the radius arms, rebuild suspension completely and putting the beast on "serious diet" [}
]. But this discussion was not about that, It started as the old discussion of how to mount bigger tires on otherwise unaltered stationwagon. Adjusting suspension links, up and down travel, brake lines, shocks and pitman arm etc. is well worth the discussion and not all that complex or expensive (apart from the dropped pitman arm that I dont know is availible or not)As long as the anit-lift mantra has been thrown out there again, I will counter[]
I have three inches of lift with longer shocks on my swb 280GE. I run 35x12.5-15 tires and they don't rub. They do not rub on the pitman arm, they do not rub on the suspension arms and they do not hit the fender under full compression even with no mods to the rubber stop. Obviously the truck requires a slight modification to driving style but it is not dangerous or hindered in normal driving. Off-road it is spectacular and the tall, soft springs give an excellent ride on rough roads.
I also have 2 inches of lift on my G320 and run stock shocks. That truck has 285/75-16 (33") tires and drives pretty much like a stocker. No rubbing, no issues with brake lines etc. I have driven it on several 1000+ mile trips at speeds over 90mph and not had any issues.
The G chassis is more resiliant to mods than some would like you to believe. I have been living with a lifted 463 G for years now and frankly do not understand the fuss that is made over the practice of lifting the truck.
]I have three inches of lift with longer shocks on my swb 280GE. I run 35x12.5-15 tires and they don't rub. They do not rub on the pitman arm, they do not rub on the suspension arms and they do not hit the fender under full compression even with no mods to the rubber stop. Obviously the truck requires a slight modification to driving style but it is not dangerous or hindered in normal driving. Off-road it is spectacular and the tall, soft springs give an excellent ride on rough roads.
I also have 2 inches of lift on my G320 and run stock shocks. That truck has 285/75-16 (33") tires and drives pretty much like a stocker. No rubbing, no issues with brake lines etc. I have driven it on several 1000+ mile trips at speeds over 90mph and not had any issues.
The G chassis is more resiliant to mods than some would like you to believe. I have been living with a lifted 463 G for years now and frankly do not understand the fuss that is made over the practice of lifting the truck.
Brent any chance you can post pics of both your G's ??Brent - 5/3/2005 11:07 AM
As long as the anit-lift mantra has been thrown out there again, I will counter[
I have three inches of lift with longer shocks on my swb 280GE. I run 35x12.5-15 tires and they don't rub. They do not rub on the pitman arm, they do not rub on the suspension arms and they do not hit the fender under full compression even with no mods to the rubber stop. Obviously the truck requires a slight modification to driving style but it is not dangerous or hindered in normal driving. Off-road it is spectacular and the tall, soft springs give an excellent ride on rough roads.
I also have 2 inches of lift on my G320 and run stock shocks. That truck has 285/75-16 (33") tires and drives pretty much like a stocker. No rubbing, no issues with brake lines etc. I have driven it on several 1000+ mile trips at speeds over 90mph and not had any issues.
The G chassis is more resiliant to mods than some would like you to believe. I have been living with a lifted 463 G for years now and frankly do not understand the fuss that is made over the practice of lifting the truck.
Also Yasu ... how do you like the MTR's ?? What would you say their weakest point is ?? Thxs in advance guys !!
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