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Well, I've been threatening to do the upgrade, and it's mostly done now.

I say mostly because for me it's been a multi step process, first of doing a 'test upgrade' of some HID bulbs into the factory eom headlight housings - which was sucessful, but it made me ask: how much better could it be with some crystal clear, newer Tech Projector beam housings.

Now, after about a week of testing then in different light situations, I'm here to say, that there isn't any downsides to this upgrade.

Unless you count the effort to remove the bumper & deal with the old, brittle plastic pieces that may break !

But, truth be told, you will know more at the end of this process in terms of how the front bumper fits - what's behind it & how the lights are fitted into the cutouts that are below on the bumper & overhead on the hood edge - and this knowledge can be a good thing.

For now, I'll just post some initial pics & overview of which lights I used & later I can cover specific steps, tips & eventually the HID upgrade bulb details.

First, I'd say that you don't have to do the HID portion, unless you've been wanting to anyhow.

The first 2 days, I just used the stock H7 Halogen bulbs that came with the Projector beams - standard 55w bulbs - and all the lighting aspects - Lows, High Beams & Amber turn signals - all looked & illuminated the road very, very nicely.

I had prior polished by factory (Hella) spec headlamps, but you don't reazlize how the plastic lenses are deteriorating even from the inside - where you can't polish off the haze - and the subsequent loss of light transmission.

And, with the cost of the 'New' OEM style units by Hella (MB oem) or the Replace brand - OEM replica - being some 50% to 100 % more than the Taiwan made 'Depo' brand MB Projector Beam Performance Lamps, - considering that - I figured I would give these units a try.

Amazon had them for $ 176 for the pair. They come in a huge box - very nicely packaged, cushioned with pretty much no chance for damage.

Upon inspection, and during my time of installing these units, I must say I'm very impressed with the quality.

The lenses are nice clear & strong polycarbonate, the adjustment mechanism is very precise for Up & Down, Left & Right Adjustment.

The housing into which the bulbs actually fit, the rear portion of the Projector, is made of a die cast alloy, and the projector lens is very precisely made. No hot spots, it casts a clear blanket of illumination.

In comparison, the Hellas also had a very nice blanket of light pattern, but the portion into which the bulb fit was a plastic housing - strong to be sure, but still plastic.

Both the OEM & Aftermarket units had the exact same 'Precise Adjustable Mounts' in 3 places, the front inner side, and bottom side (at fender edge) and Top / hood cowling mount.

To install these, front bumper removal is mandatory.

For testing purposes, I left the bumper off for 2 days, as I wanted to road & light test after dark with both the provided H7 Halogens & later with the HID bulbs.

It didn't make sense to re-install the bumper, as I new there wasn't sufficient room behind the driver side Low beam, due to the Hydraulic reservoir tank.

In fact, any bulb change for the DS Low, will require bumper removal, period.

So, despite the funny look, I left off the bumper for the test period.

I will give bumper removal details in a later post. There is a very good Youtube video on 'E320 Front Bumper Removal', by Mercedessource.

As good as it is, he dosen't cover at least 3 tips I had to learn on my own. More on that later.

Ok, so enough of the details here are the new headlamp assemblies:

Thanks for reading this far ! David :wink
 

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hoping you'll have a chance to post photos of the beam pattern/spread,
against a wall from 30' out, as well as in dark, neighborhood street, in
order to give folks an understanding of the beam balance and hopefully,
the minimized (or zero) glare. thanks
 

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Back to you sir....

hoping you'll have a chance to post photos of the beam pattern/spread,
against a wall from 30' out, as well as in dark, neighborhood street, in
order to give folks an understanding of the beam balance and hopefully,
the minimized (or zero) glare. thanks
Raymond:

Great idea. I will sure try.

I've not had great success with taking afterdark pictures of this nature.

I'm just using my smartphone camera. Any suggestions are appreciated.

Most of my pics afterdark just show a blur of light.

Last night I went to the dark side of a local warehouse to check the pattern, cutoff level, etc.

Methinks I will try to capture those images.

I will say there isn't any glare - I've yet to be flashed once, even on wet streets.

The cutoff is very 'Euro' on these units, nice & firm, making them highly adjustable.

They're definetly less of a flood and more of a Projector effect - which is what I was after, so that I light the road & not the sky.

I am doing my testing now with 35w HID's - H7's in the Lows & Highs and also H1's in the Fogs (oem fog housings).

I can't comment on using the higher power 55w (extra bright) HID's in these.

Might overheat the housings.

I think it would be a bad idea & may cause glare.

On the Amazon page for these, the factory rep answered a question on HID usage & stated, 'As long as the HID's are 35watt, no problem.'

The housings are DOT approved & it is embossed on the rear bulb port:

H7 55w
D2S 35w
D2R 35w

Interpreted, I belive these are the 3 types of bulbs E Class models were equipped with, Halogens H7's of normal 55 wattage, then two types of factory HIDs, the D2s or D2r type bulbs.

Our wagon being originally Halogen, I therefore use the H7 HID.

Thus, any E class having factory HID, would also fit these housings.

(My HID's are the SDX 35w H7 Conversion kit @ 4300k color with 'Bulb Out Warning Canceller' installed)

I'm learning alot during this process.

My wife even commented on how much better the front of her wagon now looks - if she notices, that means a lot ! :laugh
 

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I've got a set of these sitting in the garage, haven't had a chance to install them yet. In for pics of the light output compared to stock.
 

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Ok, out comes the camera.....

I've got a set of these sitting in the garage, haven't had a chance to install them yet. In for pics of the light output compared to stock.
Ok, then, I will endeavor to take some & post.

Putting them in is a sizeable job, yet worth it.

Just don't do it on a cold day. Do it on a warm day, in the sunshine.

Too many chances to break the myriad plastic fasteners, bumper tabs, etc that are already brittle from age, or at least I found it so on our 2000 model wagon.

:grin:wink
 

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Ok, then, I will endeavor to take some & post.

Putting them in is a sizeable job, yet worth it.

Just don't do it on a cold day. Do it on a warm day, in the sunshine.

Too many chances to break the myriad plastic fasteners, bumper tabs, etc that are already brittle from age, or at least I found it so on our 2000 model wagon.

:grin:wink
Mine's a '99, so it's comparatively simple, no bumper removal required.:wink
 

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Ok, then, I will endeavor to take some & post.

Putting them in is a sizeable job, yet worth it.

Just don't do it on a cold day. Do it on a warm day, in the sunshine.

Too many chances to break the myriad plastic fasteners, bumper tabs, etc that are already brittle from age, or at least I found it so on our 2000 model wagon.

:grin:wink
Adobe has a pdf creator that I may attempt one day . Would yellow fog lights go with the 4300 temp lamps
 

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Raymond:

Great idea. I will sure try.
I've not had great success with taking afterdark pictures of this nature.
I'm just using my smartphone camera. Any suggestions are appreciated.
Most of my pics afterdark just show a blur of light.
Last night I went to the dark side of a local warehouse to check the pattern, cutoff level, etc.
Methinks I will try to capture those images. <.....>
you can always send me photos with variable exposures and I can post-
process them a little to highlight the beam. with my iPhone, for example,
I can touch screen the area of emphasis for spot-exposure instead of
averaging the whole photo.

here are a few photos from my Depo retrofit a few yrs ago. i used a DSLR
then which gave me more exposure control.

if you're able to append photos to your DIY, it really wakes up the thread and
gives other folks considering a similar project a better idea what they can
expect...or change, etc. great job so far! thank you for giving folks a
play-by-play
 

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IanB2:

Sir, can you possibily post a nice clear shot of your '99's front end bumper / headlights ?

That way others can see the differerence between that and the later 00-02, "facelift" models (like mine) that require bumper removal to retrofit headlamp assemblies.

Thank you, David in East Texas

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For example, I don't grasp the differences, yet. There are a very few E Class cars in our small town. I've seen 2 so far, besides ours, in 3 months !
 

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Raymond:

Great offer on your part.

How's about this ? - look at my pics I'm posting now.

If you think you could help them, PM me your email to send them to & I will.

Here's a few I snapped quick in the chilly last pm:

PS: These were against the side of Lowes block side wall. It was wide open space, but there were quite bright security lights adjacent to my position, so ambient light was pretty high.

Later I found a bit darker metal building to use.....

Pics have descriptive tags, so mouse over to see description.
 

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IanB2:

Sir, can you possibily post a nice clear shot of your '99's front end bumper / headlights ?

That way others can see the differerence between that and the later 00-02, "facelift" models (like mine) that require bumper removal to retrofit headlamp assemblies.

Thank you, David in East Texas

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For example, I don't grasp the differences, yet. There are a very few E Class cars in our small town. I've seen 2 so far, besides ours, in 3 months !
Here you go, note the filler panel between the bumper and the headlights.
 

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Nice, Ian, thanks for illustrating it for us.

So that little filler panel just comes of with a couple fasteners, and you can remove headlights easy ?

You are sitting pretty. Your Upgrade Projector beam headlights are just begging to be installed.

Perhaps you can get that done faster than I can make a post showing bumper removal details for our 00-02 'facelift' models - ha ha !
 

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For example, I don't grasp the differences, yet. There are a very few E Class cars in our small town.
key differences that i look for from far away

pre has 5 slat grill vs 4
pre has turn signal wing mirror covers
pre has oval tail light cover design
 

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Yes different part # for early / later E class....

So will these projectors fit a 97 with the early front end pictured above?
TJTS1:

Yes, here is exact part # / listing for the later 'facelift' 00-02 e class:

Amazon.com: Depo 340-1118PXAS Mercedes Benz E Class Chrome Headlight Assembly Projector: [email protected]@[email protected]@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/[email protected]@[email protected]@51EeK6wOfTL

It's called by Depo, the mfr, # 340-1118PXAS.

For the pre-00 models, 99 and back (to 95 ??) this one:


AKA a similar part #, 340-1117PXAS

If you check Amazon reviews on either one, you may find helpful info.

One reviewer of the early lights noted a special tip to prevent wiring plug or harness.

Hope this helps.

Maybe one of you early series guys can do an install & see how things go -

IanB2 already noted he's got a 'dusty box' of them nearby - ha ha :wink
 

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There are also black or chrome housing options of each.

IanB2's got more pressing issues to deal with, no heat on the drive this morning, that takes precedence over this I'm afraid.
 
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