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They were just formed and will run ORC's ML 350 EVO 2 in the Morocco rally later this month.



The ML 350 EVO 2 V6 T1 has 250 mm suspension travel and an X-trac magnesium transfer case with lamella lockers. More on their page. Also available for rent.

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Any chance we could source those lamella lockers for our trucks ?? Or is it a completely different drivetrain ??
 

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You can try and source them, but it sounds expensive. Their ML 350 EVO V6 is around 350,000
and was built by ORC. For the diffs they say:

"X-Trac Magnesium Off-Road-Differenziale with lamella lockers."
 

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Wolfgang - 5/12/2005 6:09 PM

You can try and source them, but it sounds expensive. Their ML 350 EVO V6 is around 350,000
and was built by ORC. For the diffs they say:

"X-Trac Magnesium Off-Road-Differenziale with lamella lockers."
I'll try and contact ORC once again about this. I WONT give up until I have a locker on my truck. [:p]
 

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MLOffRoad - 5/12/2005 3:36 PM
I'll try and contact ORC once again about this. I WONT give up until I have a locker on my truck. [:p]
Trade for a G!


I'm not interested in lockers until they can actually win a race. For the last 5 years the successfull M-class racers have had NO! lockers.
 

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MLOffroad,

The EVO II ain't an ML. Its a custom off road racer. It's completely built from the ground up with tubular chassis, like a desert racing Trophy Truck. I'm sure there is close to a quarter million USD in R&D, equipment, and materials put into the rig. The only thing Mercedes about this rig is the shape of its fiberglass body shell. Their lockers are custom and wouldn't fit an ML anyway. The whole drivetrain and suspension are different.

Personally, I'm surprised its only got 250 mm / 10" of wheel travel for being a custom design. Trophy Truck's usually get close to 40" front and 30" rear of wheel travel, but of course they are 2 wheel drive and use IFS.

Here is a picture of the chassis:

 

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Wolfgang - 5/12/2005 7:36 PM

MLOffRoad - 5/12/2005 3:36 PM
I'll try and contact ORC once again about this. I WONT give up until I have a locker on my truck. [:p]
Trade for a G!


I'm not interested in lockers until they can actually win a race. For the last 5 years the successfull M-class racers have had NO! lockers.
Well the type of off-roading they do is not the same as the type I do. They go fast through sand and similar stuff like that. I myself like crawling slowly through stuff, specially up hills and any sort of articualtion obstacle where a locker would be very helpfull since we dont have much wheel travel.
 

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chia - 5/12/2005 4:49 PM
Personally, I'm surprised its only got 250 mm / 10" of wheel travel for being a custom design.
Chia,

that's a Dakar or FIA regulation limiting the max travel. Engine size is also regulated. Before the speeds simply got out of hand, when folks jumped with 200 km/h from 10 meter high dunes and fatalities ensued. Even with these regulations the Dakar is one of the most dangerous of motorsports.
Top speed in the open desert is now a tad under 200 km/h and the good racers do full powerslides at that speed. Still remember a report from one of the embedded journalists. He was doing about 60 km/h in a Touareg and thought this was max possible, as he was thrown around. Then a dust cloud appeared in his rearview. Turned out Jutta Kleinschmidt was in the cloud in her Race-Touareg, at about three times his speed. She had a slow day.
 

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Oh, OK, I understand. Many desert races BAJA, SCORE, etc. also have classes with limited wheel travel and engine size. The Trophy Trucks, however, usually have about 800 hp and 40 inches of wheel travel. [8D]

That (ORC EVO II) looks like a good FWIS 4x4 setup (I'm no suspension whiz) and they could probably almost double the wheel travel with those big springs and long A-arms and heavy duty CV-joints.


 

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Just had a look at today's splits. Number 211 is a production ML430 driven by Strugo. The ORC EVO is number 232 driven by Sven Knorr. It has the new 3.5 liter 4 valve V6 engine with about 250 hp. 232 is losing time from start to finish and can't keep up. Lockers are of no use whatsoever, they just slow it down.

There are two other production ML430s in the race, with similar times as team 211.
 

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Todays section description:

Difficult off-road terrain, many demanding passages similar to the prior year, high speed sections with maximum speed, towards the end heavy offroad and difficult.

Here are the splits off all MLs in the race:
 

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CRIOG places 5th in the Dubai 2005

The UAE Desert Challenge 2005 was tough. Ellen Lohr dropped out on the second day, the ML 350 EVO II somersaulted off a dune.

Team CRIOG did great, placed 8th overall and 5th in their class, thus garnering their first FIA Cross Country Worldcup points.


T1/1 final standing:


1 201 Stephane Peterhansel Jean-Paul Cottret F/F Mitsubishi Evo 19:06:48
2 211 Yahya Alhelei Khalid Alkendi UAE/ Chevrolet Pick Up 2:00 22:51:24 3:44:36 3:44:36
3 218 Joost Van Cauwenberge Didier Espeel B/B Toyota Landcruiser 120:00 26:59:25 4:08:01 7:52:37
4 207 Ahmed Bin Suqat Jassim Albalooshi UAE/ Chevrolet Pick Up 420:00 33:44:47 6:45:22 14:37:59
5 227 Sven Knorr Torateh Frohlich D/D ORC ML ORCM 3501 540:00 34:10:30 0:25:43 15:03:42
6 224 David Mabbs Michael Hannagan GB/NZ Land Rover Defender 1140:00 44:59:37 10:49:07 25:52:49
7 208 Mark Powell Tim Ansell GB/GB Land Rover Defender 1140:00 46:31:01 1:31:24 27:24:13
8 203 Joan Roma Henri Magne E/F Mitsubishi Pajero Evolution 1860:00 55:14:33 8:43:32 36:07:45
9 225 David Gabis Xavier Caminada F/F Nissan Pathfinder 2340:00 69:31:00 14:16:27 50:24:12
 

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Dubai 2005 Ellen Lohr retires



And Ellen Lohr was forced to retire last Friday, after somersaulting the ML 350 EVO II from a dune.
 

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Ellen Lohr forced into retirement, in the Dubai Rally

11.11.2005:

<b>Ellen Lohr forced into retirement, in the Dubai Rally</b>

Ellen Lohr and her co-pilot, Detlef Ruf, had to retire during the course of the second stage of the Dubai Rally. Just a short time after having passed the first checkpoint, in the morning, several cars got stuck in a region with high dunes and deep, soft desert sands. Hence, the scheduled track was blocked. During the change manoeuvre, Ellen Lohr and her M-Class prototype crossed the brink of a high dune in a very unfortunate way – and the car somersaulted downhill. Lohr and Ruf succeeded in completing the special stage and making it to the bivouac, but afterwards, the team was forced into retirement as the damages on the prototype were to serious to be repaired on site.

“Quite obviously we had hoped for a clearly better result,� Ellen Lohr disappointedly said. “But we experienced one of these combinations of unfortunate circumstances, resulting in an accident, you often witness in motor racing. The only positive aspect was the fact that we found out that our M-Class is truly rugged.� For Team ORC, based in Nellingen near Stuttgart , were the rally prototype was designed and built, the vital period prior to the Dakar rally will be even busier, now. “During the weeks prior the Dakar start, taking place on 31 st December, the team will keep working even harder now to bring a perfectly prepared car to Lisbon ,� added Lohr.

For photos of and information on the Kwikpower Mercedes-Benz Team, please visit the media site www.pr24.org/lohr. Your contact: Eva-Maria Burkhardt; mobile +49(0)172/754 84 44; E-mail [email protected]

11 th November, 2005
 
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